All right I've been rereading the books and I've been noticing alot of things. Like really obvious forshadowing or strange connections between somethings I never noticed before. I was planning to wait till I finished and post them all but this one is simply driving me mad.

In the first chapter GoF, when Voldie and Wormtail are talking they keep saying things that suggest that they have to murder someone else before they can get to Harry. Like this:

Wormtail said: "...if we proceed, if I murder--" now I don't think he was about to say Harry because naturally Voldie would want to kill Harry and we already now that it is not nessesary to kill Harry just to get his blood.

Voldemort said:"If? If? If you follow the plan, Wormtail, the Ministry need never know that anyone else has died." (I think someone would notice if Harry Potter was dead.) "You will do it quietly and without fuss; I only wish that I could do it myself, but in my present condition..." (Now that sounds like he's talking about Harry but read on.)"Come, Wormtail, one more death and our path to Harry Potter is clear." (Ah Ha!) "I am not asking you to do it alone. By that time, my faithful servant will have rejoined us---"

"'I am a faithful servant,' said Wormtail, the merest trace of sullenness in his voice." (Sorry, that has nothing to do with this but I had to add it. Poor Wormtail, hasen't Voldemort ever heard of mental abuse.)

Anyyyway, Voldemort said it right there at the end and I think he says it a few more times. "one more death and our path to Harry Potter is clear" There is no way he could be talking about Harry's death so my question is who on earth else do they have to kill. I thought maybe Crouch but he wasn't really in the way. And I tought of Dumbledore but that would be quite the task to accomplish, Harry Potter would be easier to kill. So who are they talking about?



And here's some obvious forshadowing for you. In a few more paragraphs Voldie says "I will allow you to perform an essentail task for me, one that many of my followers would give their right hands to perform...."
Literally!

~GwP~

Ooo! I just thought of something, Voldemort says that he didn't have to do it alone, he didn't have to do it until his faithful servant had rejoined them, so it's something they have to do TOGETHER!

Here is another place Voldemort says it.

"One more murder...my faithful servant at Hogwarts...Harry Potter is as good as mine, Wormtail. It is decided." and so on.

Now there is sounds like he is saying that the murder had to take place so that his faithful servant could go to Hogwarts. But remember before he said that his faithful servant would have rejoined them by the time they had to murder this person. So the murderee is not in the way of him getting his survent...his faithful survent back, they are in the way of them getting to Harry Potter.

~GwP~

Very good question! I must have blocked that out when Cedric got killed, but Voldy couldn't have known that Harry was bringing someone else to the graveyard - that's why he called him "the spare".

This would be an excellent question to ask JKR someday.


Dad-Eye,

Voldy says he has a faithful servant at Hogwarts. Naturally, people will assume that this is Snape. Professor Quirrel already slipped under Dumbledore's radar screen, so I have a lot of trouble believing that Dumbledore would hire two people that are in cahoots with Voldemort. If I sam correct in my reasoning, this means one of two things.

1) Voldemort thinks Snape (or someone else) is with him but he really is not.

or

2) There is a STUDENT at Hogwarts that is working with Voldemort. Dumbledore would have a harder time finding out if a student was working for Voldemort than a teacher, who he would interview before hiring.

Lemme know your thoughts.

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I'm allergic to cars. Everytime one hits me I break out in death.

GwP, are you using the British version or the American version of GOF?  I don't have my book nearby just now, but I am almost positive my version reads differently. 

 

I reckon its Draco!

The faithful servant is Barty Crouch Jr. I thought that was obvious.

I'm useing my American Version.

~GwP~

Barty Crouch Jnr was most definitely the faithful servant, this was explained at the end of GoF. The murder... they could have been talking about Sirius, but Im more inclined to think Dumbledore.
He is the one significant thing that is standing between Voldemort and Harry. Sirius was easily knocked off (sorry for the blunt terms!) therefore didnt seem to be a massive threat to Voldemort.
So maybe they're planning to murder Dumbledore. But with that said, Im sure that Barty Crouch Jnr would have had ample opportunities to do so while he was teaching for a whole year, so I dont know.

"Now Now Draco... Play nicely"
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets

I'm pretty sure hes talking about the real mad eye moody. They get him, so that crouch jr. could impersonate him. Even though they dont actually kill him, I think this is who theyre talking about, at least thats what I always thought.

fred/george: well we're off to beat some bludgers
harry: Your going to go play quidditch?
fred/george: ...no

They couldnt kill Moody - he had to be alive for the polyjuice potion to work, so 'murder' would really be the wrong word for them to use.....



"Now Now Draco... Play nicely"
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets

i'm pretty sure they were talking about the real moody, cause he was standing in the way of getting to harry, and even tho they didn't kill him at first, they were surely going to eventually, even if it was after they got harry.

they didn't get to kill moody, but they definitely would've, cause they couldn't just leave him alive! And surely they crouch jr. wouldn't have stayed looking like moody, they'd probly have come up w/ some way for moody to die.

~Athena~

I thought they were talking about Barty Senior.  He was the one who could give away Barty Jr.  And, sorry, my version reads just as yours.

I really dont see how they could be talking about murdering DD, I mean if Voldemort is scared of him, does he really think that Wormtail can kill him? One more thing-why does Voldemort call Peter Wormtail-that was his marauder name- and Voldemort doesnt call anyone else by a nickname-he uses their last names.

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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...

"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"

"I didn't know you could read."
Draco from Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets

I think they might have been talking about Moody because when Crouch is under the truth stuff he say that he and Wormtail (TOGETHER) attacked Moody and carried out the plan. And then he says he kept him alive to ask him questions about his past and habbits and stuff. But there's still the fact that he couldn't kill Moody because he need him for the Polyjucie potion, he even says thats one of the reasons he kept him alive. Except that wasn't the exact wording. Ugh...goes and gets book, he says,

"I kept him alive, under the Imperius Curse. I wanted to be able to question him. To find out his past, learn his habits, so that I could fool even Dumbledore. I also needed his hair to make Polyjucie Potion."

Okay when I read that at first I thought he was saying why he kept him alive, but now it sounds like he was just saying how he kept him alive. So I'm not really sure yet who Professer Kibbles (I'm just going to start useing that everytime I start typing Voldie, okay with ya'll?) and Wormtail are talking about in the begining but Alastor Moody seems the most likely if anybody. But I think there is still a extremely thin possibility it was someone not previously mentioned. EXTREMELY thin that is.

~GwP~