i posted it in another thread as a comment, but i think it's important enough to start a new thread.
the book PoA is good, but there is one thing that ruins it for me. the "back in time" thingy.
that's a HUGE loophole in the entire concept.
you see, if back in time is possible, then why:
1. doesn't voldy goes back to not-kill baby harry? maybe you can't go back years. so why didn't he or his followers do it 5 minutes after baby harry almost killed voldy?
2. why didn't Dumby go back in time in book 4 the minute harry returned with cedric's body, and save cedric/kill voldy?
3. use, with your imagination the "back in time" concept in any meaningful part in the series. it's just bad.
you might say "back in time" is illegal. sure. but voldy doesn't obey the law. and neither would the good guys if something bad happens (e.g. cedric's death..)
you might even ask yourself - lets say harry kills voldy in book 7. maybe some wvil dude will go back in time and save him. HEY that's great! we'll have book 8.....
JKR made a HUGE HUGE HUGE mistake with the "back in time" thingy.
that's why i can't say book 3 - PoA - is the best. it creaed a huge logical loophole. shame.
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As said in the 5th book, Lily's love for Harry caused a spell to be cast so that Harry could not die as long as someone was alive with Lily's blood, since Aunt Petunia was Lily's sister, she was the blood bond for Harry to still stay alive. None of the Death Eaters have attacked the Dursleys because maybe the spell that was keeping Voldy from knowing where the Potters were was cast to keep them away from Harry. Maybe none of the Death Eaters had a Time Turner, which I expect is the only way to travel time, as all Time Turners are issued by the Ministry of Magic, and there was no way anyone could have got one without the Ministry knowing.
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If Harry came back with Cedrics already dead body then Dumbledore wouldnt go back in time because you cant change time. Plus time travel is too confusing and complex to know what the effects are. And also its not exactly common knowledge that you can go back in time because Harry didnt know about the Time Turner in book 3. Voldemort might not even know that time travel is possible.
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he is one of the strongest wizards ever. you really think he wouldn't know about time travel?
if the ministry of magic know about time travel, then it's safe to say Voldemort knows about it too.
think about it. it's not a big secret. the ministry of magic let a hogwarts studebt use it (hermionie), so how big secret can it be!?
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I posted this about your theory on the other thread... Your right, that time travel thing could be used to restore a lot of things, but the reason they can't is becuase the Ministry authorizes them and even though Voldemort had a spy in the Ministry, it would look a little suspicious if one of the ministry officials took one without authorizing it right after the fall of Voldemort.
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Ok, I'm going to try to make sense.... I always saw time in the Harry Potter books as unchangeable. Think about it. It's a paradox. Buckbeak NEVER actually died, because harry and hermione saved him. Harry wasn't killed by dementors because his futur self saved him. To me that suggests that time can't be altered, and If someone does go back in time anything they do was present the "first time" even though there really is NO first time. I hope that makes sense.
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It begs a question though. Just for WHAT reason would the Ministry allow a student to use a time turner and not members of the Order? That's odd. And that's why it was a huge mistake.
And I'm sure this has been discussed ad infinitum before on this board. They are very thorough here.
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Yea, but the Minitry isn't on the best terms with some of the people in the Order, that why they don't give them one. I wouldn't understand why the Ministry didn't give the Order one when Lily, James, Aberforth, etc. were in it though...
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How do we even know if Time Turners were around back in the days of the original Order? What if the Time Turners were only developed in book 2 or 3? Voldemort would have been in Albania he wouldnt have known that theyd invented Time Turners yet. And they didnt give the Time Turner to Hermione easily. Proffesor Mcgonnagall said she had to send several owls to convince the Ministry that Hermione wouldnt use it for anything other than her studies.
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but they wouldn't have given at all to a young student for no reason, if it's that secret and rare.
and don't forget, Voldemort and his death eaters had every reason to try and get one, in book 2 3 4 5, when harry defeats Voldemort or when the death eaters take a beating.
and another issue: time turners are , at the bottom line, based on magic. couldn't Voldemort create one himself?! he is the strongest ever wizard! even Dumby said so!
the stupid wizrads at the ministry of magic can and Voldy can't?! unlikely. VERY unlikely.
at the bottom line, JKR made a huge mistake.
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What I'm saying is they might not have been invented until around book 3. Hermione may have had one of the first Time Turners. And how would Voldemort have found out about the Time Turners? I dont think he knows yet. It probably takes A LOT of research and training to create a Time Turner. It could take years to create one. And Voldemort probably will think of better ways to wreck havoc.
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In book one Dumbledore said he didnt need a cloak to bcome invisible so there must b a spell to go back in time and plus cant wizards invent spells the death eaters r powerful wizards and could have invented it and voldemort has ways to prevent his death so this could b his way
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Um, that didn't make sense at all. What do you mean by that neodude? You say dumbledoe doesn't need a cloak to be invisible, so there must be a spell to go back in time???? Can you restate that in a comprehensible way.
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I agree with what dramaqueen9 said earlier, you cannot alter time. Buckbeak never died, etc. NOTHING can bring the dead back to life. Dumbledore said that himself.
Time Turneres are probably more than extreamly risky to use. That's why there are such strict laws around them. If Hermione wasn't a model student, there is probably no way she would have gotten one. McGonagal had to work hard to get Hermione her time turner, convincing the ministry that she would ONLY use it for school to get to all of her classes on time.
As for Voldemort not having knowledge of them, as someone else said, they could be a recent development. Maybe the ministry has decided that they were a bad idea, and stopped production of them all together. Maybe those ones we saw in the department of mysteries are the only ones in existance (unless the ministries of other nations have them as well). I wonder how many times in the books we've already seen them used without know it. It may be none but you never know. And maybe you can't go back more than just a few hours. Who knows? JKR is the only one with the answer to that. Maybe all the world's ministries will have all time turners destroyed to keep them from getting into the wrong hands, finding out that they really were a bad idea. I wonder if any of the death eaters grabbed one while in the department of mysteries. Yikes! Maybe they have a self destruct thing on them to keep them out of the hands of evil doers? As JKR would say, I guess that we'll just have to wait and see.
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sorry, but i dont see the loophole. jkr wrote it right. you see? look, they rememberd what had happend, remember? Harry saw himself before he fainted. Dumbledore knew that theywere the ones responsibe, because of the buckbeak ordeal. And if he had gone back to save Cedric,
he would have failed, because he died.
An odd feeling rose in Harry -- an emotion quite differnt from the anger and greif that had filled him since Sirius's death. It was a few moments before he realised that he was feeling sorry for Luna.
"How come people hide your stuff?" he asked her, frowning.
"Oh...well..." She shrugged. "I think they think I'm a bit odd, you know. Some people call me 'Loony' Lovegood actually."
Harry looked at her and the new feeling of pity intensified rather painfully.
"That's no reason for them to take your things," he said flatly. "D'you want help finding them?"
-Order of the Pheonix-
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See time is one big loop hole/paradox. Lets say Dumbledore really did go back and save Cedric, ok cedrics safe, we live in the alternate time up until Dumbledore went back in time to save cedric in the first place. Now since Cedrics safe whats the reason for Dumbledore to go back? Since this time dumbledore doesnt go back and save cedric, cedric dies. Now since Cedric's dead Dumbledore goes back and saves him. Hes alive now dumbledore doesnt go back again, therefore cedrics dead again.
See time is just one big paradox or loop hole if you must. I hope that makes any sense what so ever.
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