This theory could be it. ok, so noone really knows what happened that night when harry's parents died right. ok so dumbledore said that when voldemort went to the potters he was going to make another horcrux. what if voldemort went to the potters and killed james (thus a person dying for a horcrux to be created. this is also why voldemort said harrys mother need not to die, he already had killed someone to be able to make a horcrux so she didnt have to die) he then went on to create the horcrux on harry. this wouldnt be impossible because voldemort used the snake as a horcrux and the snake is still alive. he then made harry into a horcrux creating a lightning shaped scar on his head. however, since he had already ripped his soul so many times before creating other horcruxes he turned into a ghostlike thing, remember, an imprint of his spirit on the earth. this would explain why harry is still alive after a supposed killing curse was used on him. there never was a killing curse used on him. (plus noone has survived a killing curse not even dumbledore the greatest wizard ever) harry being a horcrux and having part of voldemorts soul in him would explain his strange insight into voldemorts mind and emotions. it would also explain the snakelike hate in him against dumbledore in the 5th book. in the prophecy jkr worded it very carefully, neither can live while the other survives. maybe this means that after harry has destoyed all the other horcruxes the only thing keeping voldemort alive or whatever would be him. i dont know this all makes sense to me and my friends its just hard putting into writing. please respond.
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to elaborate on my entry. in the prophecy she says that voldemort would mark him as his equal. well if the horcrux curse was used it did mark him, the scar, and he would also kinda be voldemorts equal cause hed be part of his soul. please respond
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I think it's a long shot but possible i guess.....
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It is a good theory and i think it is right by the fact that Dumbledore talks on how Voldermort passed on some of his powers to him. Though i dont think it was willing. After Voldemort killed his father and mother Voldermort soul would have ripped at least twice and when he tried to kill Harry the curse was deflected by his mothers love and pulled out a bit of his soul. If Voldemort knew that Harry was one of his Horcruxes he wouldn't be constantly trying to kill him and would have gloated in it.
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Especially since they can't think of what the 7th horcrux would be. Wouldn't it be diabolically evil to think that Voldemort actually PLANNED to make a human horcrux out of the child of two of his rivals?
Perhaps like gunfighters in the old west, Harry and Voldemort will square off, and end up killing each other. Harry's protection via his mother's death will allow him to live while Voldemort will end up killing the shard of his spirit within Harry?
Who knows, but I agree that there's something to the idea...
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ok...i agree w/ the whole idea that there's a possibility that harry's scar is a horcrux, but on the other hand in CoS why would Tom Riddle go through the whole spiel that Harry was just a baby w/ no extrodinary powers and how did he live and all that jazz if he hadnt actually tried to kill him. Also he tries to kill him again in bk 1. if he killed harry, wouldnt he be destroying the horcrux, which he needs to survive? now im confused and contradicting myself. please help.
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Your theory makes sense especially if Harry is Gryffindor's heir- Harry is the Gryffindor horcrux Voldemort needs to complete all 4 houses. Remember, the whole thing happened in Godric's Hollow.
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"Your theory makes sense especially if Harry is Gryffindor's heir- Harry is the Gryffindor horcrux Voldemort needs to complete all 4 houses. Remember, the whole thing happened in Godric's Hollow."
Sorry to say, but JKR said that Harry is not the heir of Gryffindor.
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Dear All, Ive bin following your conversations for quite some time, however Ive never posted anything. So here goes:
As Harry cannot be the heir of Gryffindor, as is cleared by dear JKR.
Also If Harry was the heir, because of the name of the village, this would make no sense, I mean to say: The Gaunts lived in a town gown Little Hangington, and You-know-How was born in London, which clearly has no wordlye correlation to Slytherin (except maybe hangings... but we`ll leave that for now).
However, I think definetly the heir of Gryfindor, as well as the heir of Ravenclaw, will appear in the next book, as already hinted correlation between the heir of Hufflepuf: Zacharias S.
In my case one, or maybe all of the Weasleys will definately turn out to be the heir of Gryfindor. For one, they all seem to don`t care if a person is muggle-muggleborn or pureblood, which puts them in the complete other corner then Slytherin`s thinking. Also The Weasleys have been a pure-blooded family for ages, so that the bloodline could not have been broken.
All in all, the question then remains, who is the heir: Favourites of my part are:
-Ron (duhh), I would very much like to see if then maybe hermione could be a
decendent of Ravenclaw (which offcourse cannot be if my reasoning above is
correct)
-Ginny (which would make a nice twist in the 7th book: Harry, and all the
heirs of the founders of Hogwarts (excpt VDMRT) against VLDTMT),
-Percy (which story wise would be very intreaging for then VLDMRT has still
found a piece of Gryfindor to put his horcrux in. And to be hidden under the
very nose of the minister of magic, it would ensure very great safety.
any ideas on the heir of Ravenclaw by the way?
Joris
ps: (Y) Ron for Minister (Y)
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I just posted saying that the idea of Harry being the heir of Gryffindor makes sense. I don't remember JKR saying anything about Harry not being the heir.
Anyway, I think you are absolutely right that the Weasleys are the exact opposite of the Slytherin model, so it makes sense for one of the Weasleys to be the heir as well. I would bet on it being Ginny if that were the case because she appears to be the innately gifted wizard in the family. Percy is just a rule-follower, kiss-up. Fred and George are jokesters, and Ron isn't particularly good at anything (other than being a loyal friend). I don't know enough about Bill, but he seems to be a slightly above average wizard.
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That is not why Ginny had the diary! Lucius Malfoy stuck the damn diary in her cauldron to get rid of it. Voldemort told him to keep it safe and he stuck it on her to get rid of it cause he believed voldemort to be dead.
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NONE OF THE WEASLEYS ARE GRYFFINDORS HEIRS. VOILDEMORT IS SLYTHERIN'S HEIR. HARRY IS RELATED TO SLYTHERIN BECAUSE HE IS A DECENDANT FROM THE PEVERELLS WHO ARE DECENDANTS FROM SLYTHERIN. THE IS NOT AN HEIR FOR EVERY DAMN HOGWARTS CREATOR!
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Voldemort is the heir of Slytherin. They cleared that up in book two and book 6. The gaunts are decendants from Slytherin. Marvolo was ranting about it in book 6. Seeing as how that family has the locket and the ring. And Voldemorts mother is Marvolos daughter. Merope. Harry is also related to slytherin. Because Marvolo was also ranting about being related to the peverells. And Harry is related to the Peverells. That is how he got the cloak. It was Harry's dad's. The peverells were the three borthers in the tales of the beetle and the bard. The elder wand the ressurection stone and the cloak. HARRY HAS THE CLOAK. WHICH IS WHY THE STONE IN SLYTHERIN'S RING IS THE RESSERECTION STONE! See how that works?
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Harry is more the heir of slytherin the the heir of gryffindor. Because Harry is a decendant from the Peverells.( The three men who had the elder wand the ressurrection stone and the invisibility cloak)
And in book 6 marvolo Gaunt rants about being related to the peverells And the Gaunts are slytherins decaendants.
And marvolo had the ring from slytherin which was really the resseraction stone. Se how that all ties in?
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HARRY IS NOT A HORCRUX, NOR IS HE THE GRIFFENDOR HORCRUX, AND NOR IS THE SWORD OF GRIFFENDOR. when you think of it its easy, i know the griffendor horcrux and its not harry or the sword. a horcrux is an everyday object, and harry is a person, also the sword of griffendor CN ONLY BE OBBTAINED BY A TRUE GRIFFENDOR and of coarse we know about veldemort. so think people, think what it is and tell me its sooooo easy o figure out n i hope im right. if oyu think your right email me email is micky1899@hotmail.co.uk
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HOrcruxes are not everyday things. Your thinking of portkeys. Horcruxes are something very signifigant and valuable. HERE ARE THE LIST OF HORCRUXES! Voldemort DID NOT SUCCEED in making a horcrux out of all the hoqwarts creators possesions. He did not get something of Gyffindor's.
1. THE DIARY
2. THE RING
3. THE LOCKET
4. THE CUP
5. THE DIADEM
6. NAGINI
7. HARRY POTTER
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After finishing the book I started thinking about book 7 and came to almost the same exact conclusions as you. Following is a post I made at another board I post at that is not a Harry Potter Discussion Board, but we started a thread to discuss the book. I think we're both right and pretty close in our way of thinking.
Here's the post cut-and-pasted exactly as it appears on the other board ...
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Mark my word, Harry Potter will die in Book 7
Some of you will ask … Why?
Personally, I think it’s because Harry is a Horcrux. They've always said that a little of Voldemort was placed inside of Harry when Voldemort faced Harry as a baby. That would help explain Harry's ability to speak Parseltongue. If you've seen the Biography on the Biography channel of JK then you'll know that as far back as 1999 she had the final chapter of Book 7 already written; maybe she did that so she couldn't change her mind. After reading HBP, I really think that Harry's fate is sealed and it'll come down to one portion of Voldemort remaining (the last Horcrux) and Harry will have no other option than to destroy the final Horcrux ... himself.
(From page 506, the second paragraph from the bottom of the page) Dumbledore says something, even though he's already stated that he thinks the snake Nagini may be the sixth and final Horcrux, that strikes me as a little bit of possible foreshadowing.
This is exactly what he says ...
"He seems to have reserved the process of making Horcruxes for particularly significant deaths. You would certainly have been that. He believed that in killing you, he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He believed he was making himself invincible. I am sure he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your death."
This begs the question ... Was the killing of Harry's father the only significant death he was planning on committing that night? Obviously he needed to kill someone to create the Horcrux, so why not James, the father of his sixth and final Horcrux ... Harry. If you’ll recall, it is stated that Lilly didn’t have to die, but she put herself in harms way for LOVE. What if all along he had never intended on killing Harry; and his only intention was to make Harry his 6th and final Horcrux because he believed what the prophecy had said. Unfortunately for Voldemort, something went terribly wrong during the Horcrux creation process he was undertaking with Harry; and it partially backfired, greatly diminishing his powers. 1 of 2 things could have caused this …
Number 1: Voldemort was reduced to nothing but spirit because of the fact that no one had ever split their souls into so many pieces before
or
Number 2: It could be related to the whole power of love issue because of Lilly’s sacrifice for Harry.
Can't you see what a great position this puts Voldemort in? Knowing exactly what the prophecy states ... If he were to one day face Harry one-on-one he would be in a win-win situation. If Harry were to beat him, there would still be a part of him alive inside of Harry. But, If he were to beat Harry, he would only lose a part of his soul. When he hatched this plan, he probably believed that once they faced each other many years in the future, he'd still have most of the other Horcruxes, plus the seventh part of his soul that resides inside his regenerated body, to fall back on. At the time he was creating the final Horcrux, he may not have realized that one day Harry and Dumbledore would find out about the other ones and resign themselves to destroying every last one of them. He may have sealed Harry's fate, knowing that as long as Harry lives, so does he. Sadly, Harry will be left with no choice but to let himself die, so he can finally kill Voldemort.
It's too bad we'll have to wait 2 to 3 years to find out the answer.
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Here's something for all of you to dwell on: even though all of your points are very well thought out we have to think of this: 98% of the theories we thought about Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix and the Half Blood Prince were terribly and horrifically wrong. Now I'm not trying to be a kill joy or anything but don't become to attached to your theories for there's only a very slight chance that they are correct.
Yours till death,
The Horcrux Hunter
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i agree. we dont want to drag this out and get iit into our heads that this is prolly what should happen cause if it doesnt then well be disappointed and think that her ending of the book was mediocre compared to what we thought up. however, my, i mean our theory is awesome none-the-less.
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I'm sorry but I do not agree with any of you. I do not think Harry can be a Horcrux. I mean, think about it.
- Dumbledore already said that using animals was not exactly the smartest thing in the world, let's imagine a living person!
- Voldemort is trying to kill Harry, just as he has since harry was one. Why would he want to kill a part of his soul, when the whole point of a horocrux is to be kept hidden and safe so that if you die some part of you is still alive?
And plus, someone (dont remember who) said that they were looking for a seventh horocrux, but they're not!
1. The Diary
2. The Ring
3. The Locket
4. Helga's Cup
5. Something from Ravenclaw or Gryffindor
6. Nagini
7. HIMSELF
But then I could be horribly wrong and you guys right, but anyway this is what i think...
D.B.N.G.T.M.
Sirius i luv you
Bellatrix DEAD!!
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Hallie P.
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I agree with Hallie P. I dont think that Harry is a Horcrux. Voldemort has been trying to kill him since he was born practically. Unless he is a total lunatic (well, he is but you get what I mean) he would be trying to keep his part of his soul alive-not trying to destroy the person it resides in. And about the heir of gryfinndor-if it was the weasleys, it would be all the weasleys, not just one of them-that would make absolutely no sense, because they all have the same blood. That would be like trying to decide which one of your three brothers was related to your grandfather.
You have all made really good points, but I really hope you aren't right. I would die if JKR killed Harry off at the end. Harry and Ginny 4 ever!!! Thats why he cant die! LOL
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Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
"I didn't know you could read."
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Indeed when you come to think of it, having brothers and sisters can indeed remove you from the "Heir" list. Or does it: a Heir used to be the first borne male of the family, Thats why kings and queens are allways the first borne.
Offcourse this would mean Ron could never be the heir of Gryffindor.
But lets assume, that being a heir means also means to be a only-child
So the possibilities shrink to only a few persons. And one of those persons for the possibility of being the heir of Gryffindor: Neville!
Also as for the heir of Ravenclaw: Luna Lovegood!
Both were in the DA, and are dead loyal to DD and Harry Potter, which would counter the feelings, VLDMRT (heir of SL) and SMTH (heir of HFPF), have for him. Not that Zacharias really hates him though. And if Neville and Luna ever get together, that would make a very interesting side-storyline. Altough, probably that will not happen.
Another possibility of being a heir would offcourse be Hagrid, though i fail to recollect in which hous he was. (Could it probably HFPF, since He`s not really the brightest of Wizards, and has a very good understanding of Nature in all its forms?)
Joris
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JKR rowlings, has put a lot of emphasis on pets during all these books. Look at the roles of Scabbers, Crookshanks, Hedwig, and indeed Trevor, and I wouldn`t be surprised to see that Neville`s toad becomes a very important fact about Neville.
However, since the book is not about Neville, and the idea of introducing the heirs of hogwarts will prove a very nice side-story in the 7th book, I believe that this part of the story will not be delved in to much (unfortunately).
Also, when i was looking up in small booklet: Magical Beasts and Where to find them, i could not (as with crookshanks) find a magical beast resembling Trevor, so no surprises there. And I would bet JKR does return to the (un-)registered animagus-plot.
Thirdly, since the animal of gryfindor is a lion, it also would not make a lot of sense.
So all in all, I would guess, that trevor simply plays the role of setting a personality for neville, but who knows...
Considering, magical animals, i was wondering what kind of patronus, Neville has. Since at the moment he was finally getting somewhere with his patronus at the DA-meetings, the DA was discovered (and thus dismanteld).
greets
Joris
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After I read HP&HBP I started to think that the sword is the horcrux from Gryffindor. There are so many reasons. It could have easily been around when Lily and James were killed. When Harry goes into the office with McGonagal it is mentioned that it is still hanging there...
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I think it is very possible that the sword is a Horcrux, because it just happened to appear in the chamber os secrets where Tom Riddle was, even if supplied by the Sorting Hat
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I think that it is very possible for harry to be the Horcrux b/c inoder to create one you have to split your soul and to split your soul you have to kill and he'd just kill'd 2 ppl, I mean so why no Harry. And maybe after he tried to kill Harry He disappeared b/c 7 is ur limit on Horcruxes.... IDK!!
But I do have one good feeling. I think someone in the Weasley family has to be the Heir of Gryfindor..
Working on gettin' ALL SEVEN!!
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As stated by somebody earlier, Harry is not a horcrux.
"It is inadvisable to do so" [Dumbledore referring to using animals as horcruxes] "To confide a part of your soul to something that can think and move for itself is obviously a very risky business."
The ONLY reason Voldemort used Nagini [same page] is that she underlined the Slytherin connection... etc.
So, if you used a person... omg!!!!! The chances of those people deciding to kill themselves [as a good little wizard should]or being hunted by the Order would be something Voldemort would not even want to risk. Not even a little bit.
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I dont think its possible for Harry's Scar to be a Horcrux, because he cant exactly destroy his scar, unless he cuts that chunk of his head off, which would be gross and leave a bigger scar. If his scar is the Horcrux, then his whole body is too, and it better not be because Harry has to live and marry Ginny because that is the way it is supposed to be. HA!
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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
"I didn't know you could read."
Draco from Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
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"When did she get here? Did you see her come in?" HILARIOUS!!...poor Ron. ;-D
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I see your point about Harry having to take a chunk out his head. That is pretty gross. (Ginny might never want him then.) Well, there is always lazer surgery - that gets rid of any scar!! :0)
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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
"I didn't know you could read."
Draco from Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
"The spiders...The spiders are making me tap dance..." "You tell those spiders, Ron" "Ya, ya, okay, I will." :-D tee hee
"When did she get here? Did you see her come in?" HILARIOUS!!...poor Ron. ;-D
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ok, ill try not to make this long, but if u disagree plz post.
Pro- Harry-Horcrux
1. Voldemort casting a spell other than Avada-Kedavra would explain harry's survival.
2. Voldemort would consider it nice, and preferrable, if the person who would destroy him, would have to kill himself first.
3. It ties in perfectly with the prophecy.
4. Explains the insight harry gets into Voldemorts mind.
Con- Harry-Horcrux
1. If u reread the chapter "death eaters" voldemort clearly tries to kill harry. - if u can explain this plz do. (i think it might be that voldemort knows that if he kills harry, harry wont be able to kill him, and is so caught-up in being immortal doesnt really care if he destroys some of his soul)
and lastly, i would like to say that i like to believe that... that harry was intended to be a horcrux, but ended up as some sort of anti-horcrux because of his mothers love.
1. Being an anti-horcrux would give you the SOUL opposite of voldemort's
2. Being an anti-horcrux would give you the same insight into the mind of the caster of the spell
3. I really like my theory and would like it if someone were to help me develop it. -as far as i knowm i am the first one to think of this and ill take credit if im right. lol :D
im out,
the Horcruxizer
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I think that Voldemort at least tried to make Harry a Horcrux. I'm not sure yet whether I think that Harry really is one, but I think that it was a possibility. It was a good idea for Voldemort, because the prophecy said that only Harry could kill him. If Harry was his Horcrux, then Harry would have to be dead (destroying that part of Voldemort's soul) before he could kill Voldemort himself, which would be impossible. Also there are a lot of similarities between Harry and Voldemort...parselmouths, wands, the list goes on and on. In book 2 Dumbledore affirms that Voldemort had put a bit of himself in Harry...maybe that bit was part of his soul. But then maybe it didn't work entirely, because Voldemort cannot control Harry as he can control Nagini. But I think that it's a great idea.
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I think this is a good idea, but remember Voldemort only knew the part of the prophecy which made Voldemort only think that Harry was the only one that could distroy him and thus must be killed. Voldemort went to kill Harry on the night his parents were killed. Love protected Harry and why would making Harry a horcrux greatly harm Voldemort? If Harry had infact been a horcrux, why would Voldemort go to such great lengths to kill Harry? Remember that Voldemort tried killing Harry in the first, second, fourth, and fifth book. If Harry contained part of Voldemort's soul, why would he try to weaken himself? Would Vorldemort really put himself at that much risk? Good Idea, but I do have to disagree with it.
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