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Looking for a console

by Kevin W.

Anyone have a Long console for a 71? In decent shape? I read a few days back that some of the readers where selling, so I'll take a chance and see if there are any still available.....

Posted on Jul 28, 1999, 7:16 AM
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Consoles

Bill Henrndon's pony warehouse and Perogie Enterprises have some. All are reconditions. But beware they cost a bunch. There are some cheaper ones around but you need to do a lot of searching.Good luck

Posted on Jul 29, 1999, 11:34 PM
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Console

I can fix you a nice console. What color???

Posted on Jul 29, 1999, 11:56 PM
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It's black

Great. I've got black interior. I provided my e-mail address if this is easier. What's the price?

Thanks for responding.

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Wired

by Jim Gates

I'm hoping that the model specificity of this group can help me with a question. Some of you may remember that I am here with a 72 because of its transplanted 460. For some inexplicable reason, a previous owner removed the factory ammeter and water temp gauges and installed small Sun mechanical oil pressure (under dash), mechanical water temp and an ammeter in the factory locations. The ammeter and the original oil pressure gauges were not hooked up. In fact the wiring pigtail from the gauges to the dash harness were gone. There are differences between the wiring harnesses for those cars with ammeters and those without. The idiot tried to modify the harness near the voltage regulator to change it to the no ammeter configuration, in the process messing up the whole charging system. I feel that at this point, the only option I have is to re-install the factory ammeter and pigtail (which I have procured) and to replace the altered wiring harnesses. I know I can get repop alternator harnesses, but what about the harness that contains the voltage regulator connection? The harness that also contains the main battery feed to the fuse block (?) has also been molested. I do not have any current catalogs, are these harnesses available? What is the proper nomenclature? Who has them? How much? Anyone have used harnesses that they are willing to part with? Sorry for the long post but I thought I needed to fully explain my predicament for understanding of what I'm trying to straighten out. Damn hatchet artists! Thanks in advance.

Jim Gates
72 Mach 1

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wires

by rich pajzer

The Alternator harness is also the same harness that conectects to the Voltage Regulator, and is available form most large venders in Repro, around $30-40. Installing this harness, and checking a few other things, should get you charging again. The large main harness has not been reproed, but the ones that have been for other years run about $300. Maybe somone else here has a used one.

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J. Gentile - Please E-mail me - have question. Thanks! (n/m)

n/m

Posted on Jul 26, 1999, 10:53 PM
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COOOOL

by Rich Pajzer

"Ford used a Power Steering Cooler on its cars with 3.91 axles, and higher numbered".

The 429 CJ cooler was a unique part to just the 71 429. Was it used on all 429's with P/S, or just on the Drag Pack Cars? The cooler was mounted to the front of the drivers side head.

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P/S Coolers

by J. Gentile

My A/C, C-6 car (3.25 gears) does not have a cooler. Off hand, I don't recall seeing any '71 429 cars with a p/s cooler, but then it has been a while since a saw an original drag pack car.

I have seen the cooler you describe on '72 and '73 small block cars, and on full size Fords of the same era that used the integral p/s box.

This might have been an item whose need was determined after the cars were released to the public.

Posted on Jul 26, 1999, 10:13 PM
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P/S Cooler

by John B

Rich, my car is a 3.91 axle/C6 drag pack car and does have the factory P/S cooler.

Posted on Jul 26, 1999, 10:27 PM
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Cooler

My car is a CJ with 3:50 gearing and a C6 and has the cooler installed.

:>)
Allen

Posted on Jul 27, 1999, 1:19 AM
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71-73 P/S coolers

by rich pajzer

The 71-73 small block cooler is the same cooler used on a 71 429 Mustang with A/C. This cooler mounted to the top of the AC Compressor. A 71 429 without A/C used a unique cooler that was mouunted to the front of the clylinder head. The MPC states that these coolers were for the Mustang with 429, no mention of rear axle. A good picture of the "unique" cooler can be seen on the blue 429 Mach 1 at " The Big Block Mustang Page". The only CJ that I have seen in my life, also had this unique cooler.

Posted on Jul 27, 1999, 9:52 AM
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PS. cooler I have one in my hand

I am looking at the power steering cooler in question right now. It has 4 mounting holes as if for several applications. It says D1AA-3D746-BA on a bracket that extends apx. 7" from the side of the fines.
The flange with the 4 holes is apx. 2.5 x 3.5 almost rectangle shaped. It has a factory hose on it that is 13". It also has a padded cover in the center of the hose apx 7.5" long. Both ends have the std. power steering clamps, band type. Only 2 of the 4 holes were used to bolt it to the front of the drivers side head. The part of the bracket that bolts to the head is blue the rest is black.
I think these came on Boss 351s also.

Posted on Jul 28, 1999, 12:47 AM
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Boss 351

by rich pajzer

Yes the Boss 351 came standard with a P/S cooler but it was different from the one used on the 429. The boss cooler had a smaller bracket with 1 hole, and it mounted to the top of the P/S Pump. In 71 there was an option called the Extra Cooling Package. It came standard on the Boss 351, the 429, and any car with A/C. This package could have included the cooler? I know it did on the Boss 351.

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More on coolers

by J. Gentile

Rich,

I believe I saw a mention where you indicated you had a copy of Schorr's "The Performance Years, Volume 2" (good book, lots of period photos). If so, take a look at page 57. It shows an A/C car (so 3.25 gear), and no p/s cooler. I believe most of the cars in the book are press pool vehicles, so most are probably pilot or early production vehicles. I tend to still think the p/s cooler, on 3.25 gear cars anyway, was added later in production.

BTW: The same photo shows a '70 service sticker on the shock tower. Hmmmmm...

Posted on Jul 28, 1999, 10:22 PM
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429 picture

by rich

Yes, it's a good picture. I have a lots of pictures of 429's that dont have the P/S cooler, and some that do. I have also seen many 71-73 Mustangs and Cougars, and other year Fords w/ A/C the same way, some did, and some didn't have the cooler. I don't know what added the cooler to the cars. I always thought it was part of the Extra Cooling Package Option, which was standard on A/C cars. You will notice that the 429 in the picture also dosn't have a Rev limiter.

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More on picture

by J. Gentile

My guess is that it is a C-6 car. I'm pretty certain automatic trans., Cobra Jets did not have the rev. limiter. With the a/c, the car can't be drag pack (SCJ) vehicle, as the high gear ratios wee incompatible with compressor longevity. For that matter, has anyone seen an authentic automatic SCJ with a limiter?

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test (n/m)

by test

n/m

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P/S coolers

My 429CJ car with AC has the PS cooler on the compressor. It has 3.25 rear and a 4sp.
My other car a 71 Mach 1 with 351C 4V with AC does not have the cooler. It does however have an extra long loop in the PS line that bolts to the drivers side shock tower brace with a special square bracket that holds the hose 2 times , (Both sides of the loop.)

Posted on Jul 29, 1999, 11:53 PM
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Loop

by Rich Pajzer

All 71-72 mustangs used the long line with the loop, except the 429 used a short line. In 73, the short line was used.

Posted on Jul 30, 1999, 10:54 AM
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Power Steering Pumps

When I got my Mustang it had a bad moan and gron in the power steering pump. I changed it with several used ones, I was sure were good. It still moaned and groned the same. I even tried a new pump, for a Ford big car not a 71 Mustang, still the same thing. I finally fixed it with a used original pump off of a 71-73 Mustang. I found out the Saganaw steering box from GM, as used on 71-73 Mustangs and some others, needs a pump with more pressure than the other model Ford cars. It has never worked so good. So if your car makes funny noises this may be why.

Posted on Jul 31, 1999, 10:04 PM
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Loop??

by J. Gentile

True. But does anybody have any idea why the non-429 cars used the long line w/ the loop? I've never compared pump pulley diameters between the different applications, but my only guess (a big one) would be the loop acted as some sort of pressure accumulator to minimize RPM drop at low engine speeds with the lower torque engines.

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Chrome Exhaust Tips

by rich p.

Back in march it was stated that there was a running change made to the tips, and that new part numbers were issued for the tips. It was also stated that you need to match up the correct numbers, so that you have the correct tips, when buying them. Someone then posted stating that they had a matched set were both numbers were the same. This is not correct. There were two different numbers used, one for the right tip, and one for the left. One tip had a notch in it at the top, and the other tip had it's notch at the bottom. These notches lined-up correctly with a metal bump used on each of the tailpipes. This was done to insure that the tips were installed on there correct side, so that the tips clamp screw faced away from the gas tank.

Posted on Jul 25, 1999, 12:11 PM
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More on Rev Limiters

I went back and read some of the older posts on rev limiters.
My car was built October 1970, is a CJ ram air with the C6 auto tranny. It has a rev limiter.
I have traced the ownership of this car back to its original owner and it did come factory equipped with the Rev Limiter.
In fact I have done some research and come with the following..

Cobra Jet rev limiter P/N DOZF-12450-A (5800 RPM)
SUPER COBRA JET DOZF-12450-B (6150 RPM)

Allen

Posted on Jul 25, 1999, 7:19 AM
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Rev-limited

by rich

Allen, your probably correct, but I see a lot of 429 pictures where the 3 holes for the limiter are not even there. I guess the limiter guy was out sick a lot. 8-)

PS....It was probably the same guy who was supposed to install the Oil Coolers.

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oil coolers

Were oil coolers installed on CJ's? :>)
Allen

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by Rich Pajzer

Well, we know that the cooler only was supposed to be on SCJ's, but not every SCJ had one from the Factory. Since you ask, it's possible that some CJ got out with the coolers. There were a lot of Assembly Line mistakes made on some of the 71 429's, and Boss 351's that I know of.

Posted on Jul 26, 1999, 4:56 PM
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Oil Cooler Survey - 429 Group

by John B

I have been perplexed about oil coolers on our engines for quite sometime. At one point, I had thought that the Drag Pack option kicked in an oil cooler, however, based on the number of drag pack cars in the registry (84), with only 29 showing the oil cooler option, its clear that the standard "Drag Pack" option alone was not responsible for the oil cooler.
Survey Question:
I am interested in knowing if anyone in this group currently has an oil cooler on their engine. Your response will be appreciated!

Posted on Jul 27, 1999, 5:18 PM
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MPC

by rich

Well, I just checked the MPC, and ford screwed this one up also. They list both numbers as being for the CJ, and the SCJ Mustangs? On the Torino, it lists one for CJ, and one for SCJ, as Allen stated. One thing the MPC states is that the limiters were for (S/T), for Standard Transmission. This is for the Torino, and the Mustang? Maybe this explains way some 429's don't have the 3 mounting holes for the limiter?

Posted on Jul 25, 1999, 11:02 AM
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S/T

I wonder if there is some confusion about the letter designations of 'S' and 'T'.?

In 1971 there was some sharing of parts betweeen the 429's and the BOSS 429's. There were two BOSS 429 engines, the early ones that were designated 'T' engines and later production that were designated 'S' engines.
For example.. Camshafts; the Cobra Jet used the same cam shaft as the BOSS 429 'S' engine. and the Super Cobra Jet uses the same cam shaft as the BOSS 429 'T' engine.

The rev limiters were designed with the "T" and "S" cam shaft specs in mind since each one was capable of different RPM limitations.

Some of the old parts books just re-printed literature from previous years rather than re-writing the material. Hence you will find reference to "T" and "S" in the books for 1971, but it may be in reference to the two types of BOSS engines. :>)
Allen

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S/T

by Rich Pajzer

It's not S and T, or S or T, but S/T which is used thoughtout the MPC for 65-72 for Standard Transmission. If you did go back to the older posts on the Rev Limiters, you will also see that it states 4-speeds only. These cars are 30 years old, anything could have been added to them over the years by people who had bad info. The 3 Boss cars were S/T's, and all had limiters. I also believe that the 69-70 428 SCJ S/T also only used the limiters. Just because you see cars with parts on them dosen't mean the part came on the car. The BOSS 429 S or T engine is only referenced in the Engine Section, and is not labled as S/T. What major engine parts were shared with the Boss 429, and the 429SCJ, other than the Fuel Pump. I'm only one person, and you shouldn't beleive something just because one person says it. I'm just passing you more info so that you, and others can better determin just what was correct. "others" have also stated that it was only the S/T's. If your CJ has a limiter then leave it there, maybe it was a mistake, I dont know. Bob Perkins has a BOSS 351 with the Mach 1 black out on the hood, and he won't change it to the BOSS blacked out hood because he say's that the way it came from the factory.

Posted on Jul 26, 1999, 5:22 PM
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Reving

Rich:
The Duration and lift of the CJ and SCJ engines was exactly the same as the BOSS 429's, one was designated an "S" the other a "T",in refernce to cam shafts, the S and T term was carried over into 1971 from the BOSS 429.
Each cam shaft had specific performance abilities ie: RPM. hence the two cam shafts came with specific rev limiters

DOZF-12450A/DOZF-12450B, S/T

I too thought the S/T meant standard transmission,(and it may in some books), but why the two part numbers? In this case (above), the S/T is in reference to the type of cam shaft used; the S is for DOZF-12450A, and the T is for DOZF-12450B.

I don't want to upset anybody, but I know a lot of people still think that a J code mustang is a CJ and that no SCJ's were built. People who believe this have just misunderstood the codes is all. I know not all Musangs came with them, but I think Fords original plan called for them on both engines.

:>) Allen

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Boss 429s & Revs

by rich pajzer

I know what a boss T engine is and what a boss S is. Your way off with what your saying about the (S/T). Do you have the 65-72 Master Parts Book. What are your ideas based on? The Rev LimeterS were used before 1971, on other engines. As you noted, the two DIFFERENT limiters had 2 different Part numbers. You will notice that the limeters are both different , as they had different RPM limits prggramed into them. I dont understand what you are trying to say? i will pull out the article on Limiters that Bob Perkins wrote for Mustang Monthly and post what it says. At least Ford knew that with a S/T, it was a lot easier to miss a shift, which dosen't happen with an A/T.

Posted on Jul 27, 1999, 10:15 AM
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Rich

Rich:
I would be interested in reading the article you mentioned.
What I am trying to say is..
In reference to the rev limiters, the two types were used specifically for the two types of cam shafts, the cam shafts determined the rev capability of the engine. And that the S/T terminoligy was used to idenitfy these two types of CAM SHAFTS, and the term S/T was a carry over from the BOSS 429.

I went through all the FORD books and manuals I have and I cannot find any reference to STANDARD TRANSMISION.
All the books I have are very specific, (especially when it comes to parts); all the transmisions are refered to as ..
3 speed manual trns code 1
4 speed wide ratio trns code 5
6 speed close ratio trns code 6
C4 Automatic trns code W
c6 Auomatic trns code U
FMX Automatic trns code X
C6 Special Automatic Trns code Z

I too have an article written by John Craft who is considered by many to be an expert on the BOSS and COBRA JET Mustangs, and his artilce lists the two types of REV LIMITERS one for each engine regardless of transmission type.

:>)
Allen

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allen

by rich pajzer

I too have many book, and have been doing this for over 25 years. Bad info is copied over year after year, book after book. The one book that I am using is the Ford Parts books themselves. I also look at this from what was done on the 69-70 Boss's, and on the Cobra Torinos, as they had limiters before 1971. In the whole parts book, 65-72, any ford, A/T stands for Automatic, and S/T stands for standard. there is a chart that shows all the coding. In the Boss 429 engine section of the parts book, the boss engine parts are listed seperately as code 820-S, or 820-T. I am using the pistons as examples on this. Ford never used the code of S/T in there books to Identify any of the parts for the boss engines, there cams, or the cams used in 71.

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explain

by rich pajzer

Maybe I wasn't clear enough on this, yes there were 2 limiters: One was for a 429 CJ 4-speed, and the other limiter was for the 429 SCJ 4-Speed, with the SCJ using the higher rpm limit, but I thought that this was already clear?

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Reving

Rich:
send me your email, I'll send you a scan of the document that I have that indicates that the rev limiter differences were associated to the two types of cam shafts used, and that the two types of cam shafts are reffered to as 's' and 't'.

:>)
Allen

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E-Mail

by RICH PAJZER

My adress is: Boss351C@WEBTV.NET

I still don't think you understand. I never said that I had a problem understanding the S, or the T. What we were talking about was the (S/T) Designation used for every car, and every year, in the Ford Master Parts Books, (which I have, as to the transmission type. Your trying to talk about 2 different things, and call it one. There's a book called: Ford Performance Years, by Martyn L. Schorr. It has a yellow Cougar Eliminator on the cover. In this book, there's a chapter that discribes why, and how ford designed all the performance parts for there Muscle Cars. On page 49, it states Fords muscle engines with "Standard Transmissions" used 2 different Rev Limiter, One for solid cams, and one for hyd camed engines.

I'm at work now , but will pull out the Mustang Monthly article on the Limiters,later. I'm not trying to piss anyone off, only tring to clear some air. I love 71 Mustangs, and would have no other. I've had longer discussions than this on other sites, and it's no problem.

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Mustang Monthly

by rich

Well, I located the issue, DEC 89. It doesn't mention anything about transmissions, or much more. But what it does say is that the 6150 limiter was just used on the Bosses, and the 5800 limiter was used on the 428CJ, and 429CJ, and "possibly" on the `72 HO. So what is it? It seems to me that ford had a real problem with the 71 429 mustangs, as far as putting the Rev Limiters, the oil coolers, and maybe the Power steering coolers on the correct cars? We might never know what the deal was with these parts. It will alway depend on who you talk to, or what you read, so build it the way you want to.

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3 HOLES

by Rich Pajzer

One more thing, all 71's had the 3 dimples to locate the Rev limeter. just because the dimples are ther dosen't mean the car was supposed to have a limiter. The holes were drilled open by the bit on the tip of the mounting screws, when a limiter was installed. Having the holes only means that a limiter was there at one time, either installed on the assembly Line, or years later by an owner.

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my SCJ auto had a rev limiter. I need one . Sale or Trade???

My SCJ auto. had a rev limiter. I would like to find another one to put back in its place.
Anybody want to trade for some good stuff , like an intermittent wiper set up???

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Color Updates

by Rich Pajzer

I just posted a couple of updates further down. One was on the color of the Yellow Chromate, and the other was on the correct finish for the Hood Hinges...sorry if I inconvienced anyone.

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Screws

by Rich Pajzer

I found that I was missing 4 of the Phillip Head Screws for my Ram Air Plenum. I found that I had used them to hold the Sportlamps, in the grille. Now can someone tell me what the correct Mach 1 Sportlamp Screws look like? Are they phillips with a built-in washer like the Plenum Screws, or are they hex head?...thanks.

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Screws

by John B

Rich, on my car, they are hex head.

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Screws

by J. Gentile

My car are hex head, too.

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Parts help...again

Can anyone or does anyone know where I might get a set of rocker arm oilers for the underside of the right valve cover (429 RAM AIR). Also a front neoprene bumper for 71 mach in nice shape and or a honeycomb back panel. Would appreciate if anybody knows I might get these parts.
Thanks.

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CJ? SCJ?

I know its not a Mustang but I beleve in helping others. What I need is a Ram Air assembly for a 429CJ 1971 Cyclone. And here is my help. To end it once and for all I looked through Ford microfishe and old shop books and here is the deal on the 71 SCJ problem. There were no 1971 SCJ motors built. The C and J codes are the same motor the 429 CJ. The J in 1971 denotes a evrapator canister on the right side of the engine bay. Sorry to all of you that thought you had a 71 SCJ but you dont. In fact my 1971 Spoiler is a J code car and is not a 429 SCJ. But you say your car has a 4bolt main block. SO? all 71 cj motors had 4 bolt mains. I dare anyone to show me a 1971 Mustang or Cougar or even a Torino or Cyclone that came with a Holley, Mechanical cam, and a smog pump. They dont exist in stock production form.

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SCJs

Hi Tony. I don't know too much about Cyclones, but our sponser Mr. F (click on the FoMoCo Obsolete above to find his site) may be able to recommend a source for your ram air set up. Also, Perogie in NJ is another potential source for a rare part such as yours. Regarding J code -vs- C code, on a Mustang the C code designates a 429 Cobra Jet without ram air while the J code is a 429 Cobra Jet with Ram Air. The SCJ is option is generated when someone ordered the drag pack option. A number of participants in this forum have SCJs with the factory Holley and mechanical cam. Unfortunately, I cannot speak to how this worked on the Cyclone application. Hope this info was of some help, Tony!

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scj

In 1971 there were approx 800 scj mustangs built.
and 1200 CJ's.

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production

by Bob

Actually 610 SCJ mustangs were built

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oooops

Your right! I realized this as soon as I posted this message. Another case of popping the clutch on my mouth before putting my brain in gear.:>)

In reference to the Cougar SCJ though. I seen one at the ALL FORD WEEKEMD in Calgary Alberta three years ago, it was then featured in 'Mustang Illustrated' magazine. I think it was an SCJ not a CJ. I'll try and check into this further.

ALLEN

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Cyclone Ram Air and SCJs

Perogie had a Montego Ram air breather in April. I saw it. They thought it was for a mustang but I told them it was not . Later they found out it was for a Montego. I guess thats the same as a Cyclone. Oh yea I have a SCJ Mustang.
There is no code for a SCJ only for the ram air. C or J. The drag pack option is what makes a SCJ.
It must have a Y or V code for the rear axle to be a SCJ. 4.11 or 3.91 ratio.

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Drag Pack SCJ Built in 1970 is still a 71 model

According to the 71 mustang facts book by Jim Osborn, Also Forged pistons with a drag pack, Although SCJ is not mentioned by name . My Car also a SCJ came with 429 cj-R engine Holley carb, solid cam, forged pistons, a 4:11 Locker and smog pump.
A solid cam from ford has 2 grooves on the gear for identification and a hydrolic has one. Also the crank flywheel and dampner are modified in the SCJ. There are different parts numbers for some 429SCJ parts compared to a CJ. If no 71 429SCJ's never existed,there are many magazines and MCA judges in error. My car was made in Nov 1970. Since only 610 were produced, is it possible that all were built BEfORE Jan of 1971 Making the statement true
onboth sides?

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Try this site it might help.

http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/turnips/cobrajet.htm
Has some good info. and pictures of our engines.

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71 SCJ

by rich pajzer

This Mustang, 1F05J213756, with a Y axle code, was built in June of 1971. The info was taken from the 67-73 (In search of) Mustang Production Guide.

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Just a guess

by Bob

I was guessing at an explaination on the statment that no SCJ's were built in 71.
Looks like this SCJ blows that theory. Thanks Rich.

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build dates

by rich

There were a lot of CJ and SCJ built in 71, I used the one built in June to show that they were built right up to the end of the 71 prodution year, which was June.

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Still happenin'

SCJ Mustangs were still being built all the way to the end of the model run. I checked the Ford database that has been licensed to us and found over 200 built in calendar year 1971.

Kevin Marti
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"Old" Mustang Newsgroup

by Jim Gates

I know some of you still do monitor the "old" newsgroup at

news://news.dice.dlinc.com/courtave.talk.mustang

For the last several days, I think since the 14th, I have been unable to access that newsgroup. Anybody else been having trouble or have a suggestion? Thanks, Jim.

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Same Issue

Jim, I've also tried several times to access this address without success, so it's not your computer.

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See you all in a week, going on vacation...n/m

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Have a Great Vacation. Rich! (n/m)

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n/m

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Im back

by rich pajzer

Spent only 4 days at a beach with my wife and kids...wife had to go back to work.

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I need an alternator bracket

I need the alternator brackets for a 429CJ. The brackets on a standard 429-460 will work most of the time.

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Got One

Jimmy, I have the correct main bracket (the triangular shaped one), part # DOSE-10156-A. I found it at a swap meet and got it just in case anyone in the group needed it. E-mail me if you are interested.

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Parts for Sale at other sites

by Rich Pajzer

I see that there are a lot of 429 CJ parts for sale at Vintage Mustang.Com, some of which are being sold by some of the people who frequent this site. Would it be a good idea to post some of the stuff here?? I know some of the people here my also need some of the parts being sold. I know this is not a Classified Site, but it may help someone out??????? Just a thought.

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Sale or trade Stuff

I have an intermittent wiper setup and some 31sp axels for 71-73 mustangs. I would sell or trade them. I am looking for a rev limiter and an original type Hurst T handel along with other things.

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429cj ram-air rubber seal

by mac1971

I am searching for a new ram air seal, and have come across a repo. unit from Perogie Enterprises for a cost of $135US. Because I am paying 50 cents on the dollar extra, I want to make sure that I am getting a good quality piece. I know that Perogie has been around for a while, and would appear to sell quality stuff. But,I would appreciate any opinions on this particular product, if anybody has had any experience with the repo. seal. Mr F., what might you have in this regard, or is there somewhere else i might look for this seal? Thanks Ken M.

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repro seal

by Jim Pletl

I have seen reproduction seals and they look nothing like the original in shape and cross-section. Unless they have a new mold, I find these seals unacceptable for restoration.

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Ram Air Seal

Threw my research I have learned that one guy makes all of these repro seals. 4-or 5 dealers use them. Most all sell for 125-135.
When new they look too skinny, but the one I have has almost got its self into shape after driving with it in place. The hood pushing on it along with the heat get them back to size.

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decals

by rich pajzer

I have found through research that early 71 Mustangs built in 1970 used the 1970 Service Spec Decal instead of the 1971 Decal. The 1970 decal was mounted on the passenger Shock Tower, and the 1971 decal was placed on top of the Radiator Support. What do your cars that were built Sept-Dec 1970 have on them?

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Decal

My car built Nov 1970 has the remnits of a decal on the passenger side shock tower.

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DECAL

by RICH PAJZER

One thing I forgot to mention was that if the car used the 1970 sticker, and the car had a Rev Limiter, than the 1970 sticker was placed above the Windshield Washer Jug, on the Inner Fender Panel.

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rev limiter/sticker

My Car was built 10/06/70 and has the 71 sticker on the rad support.
In your message you say IF the car had a rev limiter. Did not ALL 429 Cobra jets come with a rev limiter??

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limiters

by rich pajzer

As far as I can remember, only the SCJ with maybe just the 4-speed came with the limiter?? The correct answer to this should be on one of the other pages of the Forum, as it was a topic about 3-4 months ago.

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rev limiter

To my knowledge none of the 429 cobra jets had a rev limiter. The 429 super cobra jets had a rev limiter also the 351 boss had one because of the solid lifters the rev limiter would keep them in a safe rpm range.

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to rev or not to rev

I own an original fully documented 429 CJr with c5 auto. It has a rev limiter, I've spoken to the original owner and he remembers disconnecting it to try and get a few more rev's out of the engine.
I have seen several other CJ's with the Rev limiter, and there are several reference books that indicate the rev limiter on these engines.
There were two casting numbers for the rev limiters, one was for the 'S' engine and one for the 'T' engine. The 'S' and 'T' indicate the two types of heads used on the 429, one for the CJ and one for the SCJ.
I never realized so much discussion could take place about these parts, and I have never doubted that they should be on all CJ and SCJ engines. I know a lot of cars today do not have them, but then again these cars are 29 yrs old, and people removed a lot of parts that restricted performance back in the early 70's.

I also wonder if FORD stopped putting some of these items on the cars during later production as the Cobra Jet program was being dropped?? Just a thought.

Allen :>)

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Decals

by J. Gentile

Mine, with a buid date of 100770, has the original '71 sticker on the radiator support.

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Survey says......

by rich

Lets take a servey on this. It could be that there was a supply problem with the 71 sticker, and the 70 sticker was used at times? To be honest, I've never really seen the 71 sticker untill they came out in Repro, and everyone started using them. If everyone starts watching for this, maybe we can determine just when the 70, and 71 sticker was used.

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Decal Revisited

by J. Gentile

Rick, you got me wondering, so...

The decal on the radiator support definitely looks like a Ford item, and has been there at least 10 years that I know of, but I took a real close look at the passenger shock tower. Sure enough, there is some minute evidence of what sure looks like old adhesive where the '70 style service decal would be located.

So now I'm not so sure. Anybody else?

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Original Paint

by Rich Pajzer

I guess your engine compartment still shares it's original paint? Once all these cars are "repainted" all evidence of the 1970 sticker will be gone, and I'll just be crazy.

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Mine's on the radiator support

by Kevin W.

Mine is a late 71, (May) and it's on the radiator, with no evidence of being on the shock tower.

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fiberglass bumper

by Mark

Does anyone know of a source for a fiberglass bumper replacement which would look like a factory urethane bumper. This would be used on a 71 mustang for drag racing only.

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which was lighter?

by Kevin W

Would'nt the urethane bumper be lighter than the fiberglass one? I assume thats why you want the fiberglass (stronger but heavier?); but I would think the urethane would be the lightest.

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glass body parts

by Rich Pajzer

I have an old listing for Fibremotive, of Hialeah, Florida 305-b22-1214. They list all kinds of glass parts for 71's. The stock urathane bumber would weigh more, as it was reinforced with steel on the inside.

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it's 305-822-1214...sorry n/m

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Message to John Blair

John,

I would like to add the 3 gauge cluster (and eventually the tach/clock cluster) to my 71 coupe. I's not a Mach, but is a "sunshine special" described on the web page. I read in the 71 Mach forum that you have detailed instructions. Can you privide thenm to me?

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gauges

by rich

The instructions were posted a few months back on another page. You just need to go to the bottom of this page to veiw the other 7 pages.

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Gauges

Hi Kevin, welcome to the forum! Our expert Rich Pajzer gave us the details on this installation on page 6 (March 27th entry). As Rich mentioned above, please go to the bottom of this page and click on page 6 to find it. Good Luck, Kevin!

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Much thanks!!

by Kevin W.

Thanks for the welcome, and advice.....My car's "clean" as I bought it from the original owner. I wasn't sure if I wanted to cut into the wiring harness, or go through the adding of the dash and hood harnesses. I'm trying to find out that if the 3 guage cluster was installed, did that also include the tach/speedo as well? Perhaps someone with a Grande' would have some insite?

If this is the case, I'll go ahead and change both guage clusters and then go with the wiring harnesses (dash and under hood). I'm also wanting to add the full floor console which would include the clock. So then the car would not have a dash clock in it's guage cluster?

Thanks again for the help. I enjoy getting the straight scoop from the experts.

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gauges

by rich

The tach option included the 3 gauges, and if using the console clock, you wouldn't also have the clock in the dash.

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What if.......

by Kevin W

Not to sound too crazy (or persistant), but.....was the 3 guage cluster ever installed without the Tach/speedo in any of the Mustang models for 71? This would tell me if a wiring harness was unique to the 3 guage only, and a simple tach wire was added only if the tach was also ordered. Or, both packages (3 guage and tach)had to be installed together as there was only one dash wiring harness that supported both (plus the underhood one). Again, I'm just curious to an originality point of view.

Thanks for the responses. It's a great learning tool here.

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No tach

by Nigelj

Hi Kevin,
My car came with NO TACH but had the 3 guage cluster & so did a mate of mine who has a 351 mach1. If it is an ealy 71 then the tach had to be ordered as extra. I could be wrong about this but both my car and my freinds are early examples & have dash clocks.I put a post in about this a while back and got very confused. Sorry can't help with the wiring.

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N o Tach

by Nigelj

Hi Kevin,
A freind of mine & myself have early examples & both cars came with dash clocks & 3 guage clusters. I put a post on the board ages ago about this subject and got very confused. Sorry can't help with the wiring.

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To gauge or not to gauge....

by Kevin W.

Thanks Nigelj. At least it let's me know that I CAN install the 3 guage cluster and maintain a stock look without someone pointing out to me that the car ain't right! That was my main concern.

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GAUGES ONLY ????/?/

by RICH PAJZER

I don't know about Nigelj's car, but I would have to say that the tach always came with the 3 gauges. There was no seperate option for the tach. If someone has proof that the Tach could be added by itself in 71, like maybe an original Ford Option List, or maybe a copy of the Dealer Invoice for the car in question this would prove it. ?? Maybe you could have ordered the gauge option, and also have ordered a clock. This would mean that without a Full Console, the Clock would have had to be mounted in the place of the Tach. This is the only thing I can think of where this would be the case, but it's just a guess.

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Clock and gauges

I have an original 71 Mach 1 with the gauges and a clock in place of the tach. You also got a blank plate over the clock hole, in the console, if the car had a full console.

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Only a complete package was available...

by Kevin W

Rich is right (in Ford's eyes); after looking at a copy of the 71 facts book, it clearly indicates that the 3 guage center came WITH the tach/speedo. It was a instrument cluster option offered as an RPO only (not dealer installed). I have yet to see any documented proof that anyone has a "3 guage" only equipped car from the factory. It makes sense as Ford wouldn't have a special wiring harness within the dash just for the 3 guages; it would include the tach wiring as well.

I would think that if anyone has a car with the 3 guages only, it was added by a previous owner.

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Only a complete package was available...

by Kevin W

Rich is right (in Ford's eyes); after looking at a copy of the 71 facts book, it clearly indicates that the 3 guage center came WITH the tach/speedo. It was a instrument cluster option offered as an RPO only (not dealer installed). I have yet to see any documented proof that anyone has a "3 guage" only equipped car from the factory. It makes sense as Ford wouldn't have a special wiring harness within the dash just for the 3 guages; it would include the tach wiring as well.

I would think that if anyone has a car with the 3 guages only, it was added by a previous owner.

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Yes

by Rich Pajzer

Now that you mention it, there was a Console block off plate for the clock. The 71 Facts book also states on P.11, that the dash clock was standard on the Grande, but it's not listed as being an option. So I'm guessing that if you have a Grande with the Gauge Package, you got the clock, and not the Tach? I will try to check this further.

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CONFUSION

by RICH

The 71,and 72 Facts Book, and the 71,72, and 73 Sales Brochures all state that the dash clock was stardard on just the Grande'. Since there is no Mach 1 section in the 71 Facts Book, I went to the Mach section of the 72 Book. That book states that the 3 pod gauges were standard with the Mach 1, which didnt come with the tach!! The Tach only came in the car if the Instrument package was ordered, which also included the 3 gauges. As far as I can tell, the Dash Clock wasn't a seperate option by itself, any of the 3 years. This will help explain the different combinations, I think? Still don't know how a Mach 1 wound up with a Dash Clock though? I think Ford just couldn't make up ther mind again, at the time?

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Oh, Oh,..what time is it?

by rich

Now that I'm home it's time to get this right.
1. The dash clock was standard on the Grande' only.
2. If a fastback came with the Sport Interior Package, than it had the 3 gauges and dash clock.
3. If a car had the Instrumentation Package, then it had the 3 gauges and the Tach. It was posisble to have both packages.
4. There were only 2 dash wiring harnesses, one for the 3 gauges, and one without. The dash clock was connected through it's printed circuit board. The 3 gauge harness also included the hookup for the Tach. Still cant say if the car had the dash clock, and also the console, which clock was used, so I wont, but there was a block-off plate available for the console clock.

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Clock and gauges, I'll show you one.

I will be glad to show you an original 71 Mach 1 with the clock in the dash and the gauges.
I changed one out to a tach a few years ago. The plug on the instrument cluster, on the printed circit board, is larger than the one on the tach.
Also some of the things are in different locations, in the cluster. Like the High beam light.

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Clock Stuff very technical from Ford.

Know what the manual says to do to a slow or fast clock???
Set it every time you get in the car.
I have several console clocks if anyone needs one. Also a gauge cluster with one in it.

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Untitled

by rich

Jim if your reply was ment for me, I'll just say that all the info I could gather stated what I said. A mach1 was a fastback, if it had the sport interior it would have had a dash clock and 3 gauges. Are you saying that all 71 /Machs had the clock and gauges as standard, without having the Sport interior option, which was available on any fastback?

The Tach / 3 gauges used a small connector, and the standard speedo, and the clock speedo used the large connector. There were 2 different harnesses for this, as you couldn't have the tach, and the dash clock at the same time. The tach couldn't be added unless the harness for the 3 gauges was already in place. There were 7-8 different dash harness(part numbers) used in 71, depending on the build date, if the car had the instrument package, and what body style it was. Whats strange is the 71,72, and 73 wiring diagrams do not show a hook up for the dash clock when using the correct harness for the 3 gauges. In other words the small connector dosent contain the light green wire that feeds the dash clock.

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by rich

"Some of the things were in different locations on the cluster, like the High Beam Lite".

(That's why there were 2 different Printed Circuits strips for the 3 different clusters. One strip was for the tach cluster, and the other strip was for the other clusters.

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Split

by Nigelj

The dash clock set up still confuses me but I am covinced that my car came with the 3 gauge set up & dash clock as standard. I think we could thrash this one to death and still not be sure!

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1 last time

by RICH PAJZER

Nigel, if your car was a fastback, which it is, and it came with the sport interior option, and NOT the standart interior, then it will have the 3 gauges and the dash clock. Now if the car also came with the Instrumentation package then a Tach would have been put in place of the dash clock. If you have the sport interior, you will have the deluxe door panels with wood inserts, and carpeting at the bottom of the doors, and you will have the 2 verticle stripes on the seats, the color keyed front floor mats,and some other things. Do you have these seats and door panels ? if so, then you have the sport interior, which had the 3 gauges and dash clock.

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1 last time

by RICH PAJZER

Nigel, if your car was a fastback, which it is, and it came with the sport interior option, and NOT the standart interior, then it will have the 3 gauges and the dash clock. Now if the car also came with the Instrumentation package then a Tach would have been put in place of the dash clock. If you have the sport interior, you will have the deluxe door panels with wood inserts, and carpeting at the bottom of the doors, and you will have the 2 verticle stripes on the seats, the color keyed front floor mats,and some other things. Do you have these seats and door panels ? if so, then you have the sport interior, which had the 3 gauges and dash clock.

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Sports int

by Nigelj

Yes my car was ordered with the Mach 1 sports interior group at $130. I ave all the things in your post like deluxe door panels, seats with 2 stipes, the 3 gauges & a dash clock but no tach.
Hope you had a great vacation Rich.

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re sports interior

by john philpott

do you want another one

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I agree, we are saying the same thing.

I agree the clock comes with the sports interior.
I have changed the plug on the harness before to install a tach / speedo cluster in place of the clock. All you have to do is unsnap the wires out and snap them in to the new plug. Putting them in the right no. on the plug is the hard part. I happened to find a plug that was cut off with the old wires still on it. The other wires were the same color as each of the others, just in a different place. The tach has a seprate plug on it and all you have to do is run the two wires to the coil. You can tie them in to the motor harness behind the master cylinder, to hide them.
Oh yea, My car had the sports interior option but did not have the deluxe door panels. It was made in 10-70. We allways assumed that the panels were not ready or in full production at that date.
I know it is original.

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Dates

by Nigelj

My car was made Jan 71, so the panels must have been ready by then as my car had them. I have decided to keep the dash clock & forget about the tach. I think I know where I can get my hands on a rev limiter but I'm not counting my chickens yet. At some time my car has lost its green console and gained a black one. I was very confused about the clock issue as there was a clock in the console and dash. I guess it must have been in the console when it was added. I am looking for loads of parts but can't afford them all at once. You or Rich didn't mention if the sports int came with full console or not I always thought it did.

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Gauges and Console

by J. Gentile

Gentlemen, you are on th right track as far the gauges are concerned. A standard Mach 1 had no clock or gauges. Only the Boss 351 had tachometer and guages standard. The Mach 1 Sports Interior brought the large dash mounted clock and the three gauges in the center stack. You had to go for the additional option of a discounted "Instrumentation Group" to get the tachometer with the Sports Interior Group. (Since the Sports Interior option already included the instrumentation group, this resulted in quite a bit of confusion to both buyers and dealers who didn't closely read the early product information. It also explains why many high-option cars don't have the factory tach.) When the tach. was ordered, it displaced the clock to either the mini-console (standard) or optional full console. The full console was not included with the Sports Interior Group.

If you are counting, that means the '71 had three different clock installations.

As for your door panels, my early October car has the deluxe door panels (the panels themselves are stamped on the reverse with a early-September production date. While there certainly could have been a shortage, the truth is the UAW line guys were probably so confused by the clock issue that they put the wrong door panels on the car!!

(In reality, such production mistakes were very common in those days, and still rarely occur today.)

Hope this helps.

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More Tach/Clock Comments

by Rick Thompson

I have owned my March built Mach since 1975. It has the black Mach interior, clock in dash, 3 guage cluster, and a plate on the long console that says MACH 1. I have seen several with this combination

Posted on Jul 19, 1999, 10:54 AM
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Mini console

by rich pajzer

The 71-73 standard Mini Console contained the cars front Ash Tray only. There was not any clock in the mini, ever.....no part number for the clock.....no place to mount it......and no room for it.

Posted on Jul 21, 1999, 7:12 PM
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Full Console

by rich pajzer

Nigel, the Full Console was a seperate option, and didn't come with any other option.

Posted on Jul 21, 1999, 7:27 PM
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Extra

by Nigelj

The full cosole was $60 extra. My car didn't come with this option so I only have a black replacment for the green interior. Also the tach was $54 extra on the sports intrior that Jimmy mentioned earlier. A good freind of mine and soon to be new member John Philpot has some copies of invoices with fantastic amounts of options on them (makes my car look like a shopping car). Great source of info though.

Posted on Jul 22, 1999, 5:18 PM
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gold hardware

by rich pajzer

Just found this out...John's Kickdown Rod, my Hood Moulding Nuts, and all the other Body Hardware was Gold Cad Plated from the factory, but very, very lightly, so they still rusted right up. What I found for a steet driven car, was that you could spray the part in question with Plasti-Coat Candy Apple Silver Base Coat, and when dry, give the part a LITE coating of Candy Apple Gold. This will give you a good finish, that will resemble the original color. The paint I used was purchased at Pep Boys.

Posted on Jul 11, 1999, 8:12 PM
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What's with this board??

by rich pajzer

First you try for ever to get in, then when you finally do, you cant post anything, so you keep trying, so you wind up with several posts !!!!!

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Coating

Rich - thanks! I'll stop by Pep Boys tomorrow. The nice thing about this paint coating is that it should hopefully outlast the cad plate in terms of corrosion resistance and is easier to do, too!

Posted on Jul 13, 1999, 6:37 PM
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COLOR UPDATE

by Rich Pajzer

The Eastwood Co sells a paint kit which will duplicate the yellow chomate finish, in paint. The finish used on the Mustang consisted of tones of yellow, some orange, and a little green. The Eastwood Kit uses too much green and orange, but their colors are applied seperatly, so you can go very lite on applying the green and orange.

Posted on Jul 24, 1999, 8:39 PM
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Manifolds

by Nigelj

Hi guys
Can anyone tell me what these exhaust manifolds are, they were on my 460 but are not standard 460 kit.
D1ZE 9431 CA 1
Any clues would be great. THANKS.

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Casting Numbers

by rich pajzer

The're correct 71 429 CJ manifolds, there were 4 different Casting Numbers used. This was discussed already, several months ago. PS..were you able to line up the 3 holes of the sheild with the ones on the very ends of the radiator support?

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re casting numbers

by Nigelj

Thanks Rich for checking the numbers for me, I had a suspicion that they were correct but had no way of checking. No I still can't seem to work out where the shield goes. The only place it looks right is on the inside fender next to & under the battery tray, but it doesn't line up with any holes.??????????????

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Your getting close

by rich

You should see how the radiator support sticks out toward the fender. The support looks like a vertical wing that stick out to the side. the sheild connects to the very end of that wing so that the shield will make the wing wider. The 3 holes are at the outer end of the wing, and the holes will run slightly verticle. The split in the shield will fit around the top of the inner fender panel(the part where the top fender bolts go.) When you do finally get this, you will see how it was right in front of you. It's a hard thing to figure out. Is there an other car you could look at?

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