1971 429 Mustang Tech Forum

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Black Plastic Shield

by Rich Pajzer

The Ford Parts Book shows a black plastic shield which was attached above the rear licence plate, where the plate light is, on all `71 Mustangs. 100% of the cars I've looked at in the last 25 years, never had this shield. I only found one on a car , in a junk yard, it was cracked, but, I got it anyway. Does anyone else have this shield on there car? There are other small quirks like this one, that I will post later on.

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Have shield will travel

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Mine is still where they put it.

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My car still had the original shield, but lost it's engine... N/M

by mac1971

Past owner blew the original engine...

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Gas Splash Shield

by Joe

I take it that's what we are talking about. On the earlier cars, they are soft and pliable, and I look for them when I judge them. Our 429 car has a shield but like yours seems hard plastic.

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gas

by Nigelj

I take it you are talking about the plastic sheild on the licence lamp under the bumper.I also have one,perhapse the years of spilt gas make it go brittle?

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`71 Operating Features

by Rich Pajzer

I know that everyone has the 71 Ford Owners Manual, but one day, about 10 years ago, I was searching through a junk yard, and came across this green and white folder called "71 Mustang Operating Features". It folds out like a map. Since that time I have never seen this folder sold by any vendor that sells Owners Manuals, untill about 6 months ago. I found this one place that now sells them. Does everyone have this folder? It contains some real good info on the 71 Mustang. I think this folder was supposed to go along with the 71 Ford Owners Manual, which wasn't really just for Mustangs.
When I get home from work, I'll post the details on who now sells this.

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To order this

by rich

The 71 Features Folder is $4.95, part # BOOK-0100-OM-71

phone: 405-631-1400

or www.mustangokla.com

This is sold by "clasic Mustang Parts of Oklahoma".

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folder

by rich pajzer

I have found this folder (book) in two different Mustangs Catalogs, the only thing is the one I found is a folder, and the one now being sold in Repro form has been put into a 30 page book format, like an Owners manual.

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Productionfigures

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Does it exist an breakdown how many 429 71`s there was produced. I even want a breakdown of fastbacks, mack 1, convertibles etc..If not exact figures exist I want aprox..It`s not many of these rare breads here in Europe, but there are some.I may have discovered an 71 429 convertible. Wat`s value?

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Good question John

by Nigelj

As a fellow European I agree there are very few 429 71's here ,in fact other than mine I only know of two others in England where I live although there are probably alot more. I can't answer your question but I'm sure the other guys on the forum can. As to the value of these rare cars ,well that depends on where you live & who wants to buy.

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England

by Rich Pajzer

Two 429's in England, Wow!! That's a much higher percentage then most states in the USA, based on the size difference between the USA and England. I've only seen one `71 429 in my whole life, and it was a convertable.
I'm in Boston, Ma.

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429 Registry

by Rich Pajzer

This got me wondering. Is everyone here registered with the `71 429 Mustang Registry???

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Registery and breakdowns

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I am registered and have wrote Marvin on the breakdown for SCJ models but never got an answer as to how many SCJsportsroofs were built. I have seen a calander of HI PO mustangs which stated
Approx. 600 Mach I 429SCJ were built. If that is true, then there can be only ten of the other combined models. I have heard of three coupes and a fourspeed sportsroof as well as my automatic sportsroof. That would leave 5 unaccounted for. Finding a convert would sure be Nice......

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How about lowest VIN number ?

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I just got back from a business trip and as always did a little hunting too (cars)
Low and behold a 1971 Mach 1,J code,PS,PB,AC,Tilt,Rear Defrost,Fold Down.
No Motor! the guy who had it before him "pulled it for his pick-up" (oh the cimes)
But here is the real kicker VIN 1F05J100066.
Has or does anyone know what the lowest VIN numbered 429 cars is ? Let me know.

Mike



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beat that!

by Anonymous

the "In searcch of Mustangs Registry" lists 1F05J100059, built 8-`70, and owned at the time by Don Crenshaw of Georgia.

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ops! - forgot my name!

by rich pajzer

cj

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CJ /SCJ figures.

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Early in our discussions someone sent a beak down of 71 429 mustangs From the registry. I do not have it any more but someone should still have it.
I have heard figures of 610 SCJs 1255 CJs, 50 Convetables. I have never registered my 2 Mustangs, One CJ and one SCJ. I guess I should but I don't remember how and where. Mabe someone will post the address.

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scj/cj figures

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Thancyou very much for your info. Just what I wanted, but where can I get your figures confirmed? I may have discovered 2 (two) 71 429 convertibles in Europe. At least one is confirmed # match. Whats value? Car needs resto but is complete whit som NOS extras.

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Untitled

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I dont see how you came up with 610 71 SCJ cars. No 429 SCJ motors were made for 1971. In 1971 the vin code C and J were both 429 CJ.

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Production figures

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I've only seen production figures for models, not engines for each model. I would like to know the production figures for the years of 68-73. Does anyone have those figures?

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429 Registry Information

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Hello everyone - I'm finally back after a 9 day vacation. Regarding the registry, I have several items to share. If you would like to register your vehicle, please contact: Marvin (Scotty) Scothorn, 71 429 Mustang Registry, 6250 Germantown Pike, Dayton, Ohio 45418-1634. He will send you a registration form which will allow your vehicle to be added to the registry. I recently made up some flyers which show the address of this webboard as well as providing my E-mail address as a contact for the 429 Mustang E-mail Group. I sent these to Marvin and asked if he could enclose them with any correspondence he has with people inquiring about 429 Mustangs. Hopefully we'll reel in a few more 429 Mustang owners this way!


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Registery

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I contacted Marvin and he sent me the form to fill out, But when I requested information about purchasing a copy of the registery, I got no response.

Allen

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Registry

by John B

Allen, for some reason, it takes awhile to hear back from Marvin. It took 6 months for a response to my initial inquiry. However, I did get a copy of the registry which he mailed me for free. I had called him a couple months ago to ask his permission to share the cover sheet of the registry with the E-mail group. I mailed that out when we had the E-mail only group format. Since we have so many new members, I will resend it to the group again.

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429 CJ Grande

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Here is a rare one for you...I have a 71 429CJ Grande. The registry list five not including mine, 3 SCJ's and 2 CJ's. More rare than the convertible.

Mach I...185
Convertible...15
Sports Roof...7
Hardtop...5
Grande...5
Total production 1255 CJ 610 SCJ
This info is from Dec. 93 and at the time 221 were registered.



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Is bigger really better?

by Halowe

Catalyst makes this statement on his 1971 page:
"Wider, larger and heavier, the 429 would not readily with into the 1970 Mustang engine compartment, which is one of the reasons that the 1971 Mustang got bigger."

This is a statement that I have heard and read many times. However, I don't think it is a true statement. The 429 wedge fits quite nicely in the engine compartments of '67-'70 Mustangs. I've seen it done many times.

I have also heard and read many times that the increase in size was to be able to fit the Boss 429 into the bay. However, after speaking to a couple of people that have '71s with Boss 429s in them, I don't think this is a true statement, either. According to those two who actually have this setup, the Boss Nine still doesn't fit unless you use the '69/70 Boss Nine shock towers.

Anybody got any further info or comments?

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boss 9 in 71

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I know of a person who owns a lime green 71 CJ Mustang and he has installed and removed TWICE a Boss 429 in his car and has had no problems.(bolt in bolt out)
Here are the dimensions for these two engines....

Weight. Boss 429 635 lbs, 429 CJ 720 lbs
Width. Boss 429 30" 429 CJ 27"
Length Boss 429 34" 429 CJ 34"
Height Boss 429 30" 429 CJ 29"

If you look in the engine compartment of a 429 CJ you will notice that there is ample room for the extra 3" of width the Boss engine has, where the problem comes in is with the estra 1" of height. Especially if you intend on using a ram air set up, exact height is needed to keep the ram air system working properly.
And to quote Dr. John Craft, author of 'Boss & Cobra Jet MUSTANGS', "..the shock towers under the hoods of all 1971 Mustangs had been configured to accept even the big bad Boss 429 engine,..."
As for installing the 429 in a 69 to 70 Mustang, the 385 series engine blocks are 2" longer that the FE blocks and if the 429 CJ is installed in a 69-70 Mustang, it may have to be moved forward and the oil pan will definitly need to be modified.


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Re: Boss 9 in 71

by Halowe

Interesting...especially the specs on width. Does that include the exhaust manifolds?

As far as the 429 in the 67-70 Mustang, it fits right in with the swap mounts available from the aftermarket, or with Boss 429 mounts (which are still available from Ford, BTW). It doesn't require moving the engine forward. Ford had the correct pan for the installation on it's parts shelf... the Boss Nine pan. Today, you could simply use another part from Ford's parts shelves...the F250 pan, which is rear sump. However, I'm pretty sure that the stock 429 pan works without modification. Jeff will know for sure, as he has a '67 with a 429 in it.

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I just remembered...

by Halowe

this. If you have a problem with radiator interference due to the length of the engine, this can be solved either by using a Boss 9 water pump or an early T-bird waterpump, both of which are shorter, and which again were on the parts shelves before 1971.

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Water Pumps

by Jim Gates

Halowe,
Just how "early" for the T-bird water pumps are you talking about?

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The early T-bird gets the worm.

by Halowe

I'm sure about the first couple of years that the 429 was offered in the T-bird, but the later pumps may be short, too. I know that the replacement pump for the Boss Nine carried a D3XX casting number, so perhaps that was a 1973 T-bird part.

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429 in a 68

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Mine uses a simple stock mid 60's T-bird pan. Low , low $$'s. The attempt was to build a race car for a dollar a pound.

Jeff Speegle
MCA ANHJ

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429

by Rich pajzer

I also have read all the statements about how ford increased the engine compartment in 71 to fit the 429, but the whole car was increased in size. I beleave the 71 engine compartment was also increased, just to keep it in the proper relationship with the rest of the car?? The 69-70 body was not increased to add the boss 429 engine, just the compartment. Fords statement is sort of like saying that they had to increase the size of the 71 to fit the 429. It was probably just killing two birds with one stone. The 429 fit fine in the other years mentioned. We know that ford plans body styles, 3-4 years before actual production of it. Just look at some of the dates on the factory "clay" photos, which appair in some books. Just my .02

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Boss 9 Trivia

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The Boss 429 from Ford was assembled by Kar Kraft, as we all know, but did you know that Kar Kraft billed Ford $4,444.00 for the conversion, and Ford sold these cars for about $4000.00? Adding all this up, these cars cost Ford about $7000.00. or more!!
Besides the modifications to the shock towers to make room for these engines, Kar Kraft also relocated many of the front suspension components, added heavier spindles, and added a thinner power brake vacuum reservoir to clear the valve covers.

Allen


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Yup, that's what it took to make the engine legel for NASCAR

by rich pajzer

cj

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Boss 9

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And on top of it (Boss for mid $4K) many sat on the dealership floors into 1971 for lack of interested buyers

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Engine Swaps

by Rich Pajzer

I have an article on ford engine swaps. In it they give the dimensions to notch the shock towers on a 67-70 , if your adding a big block. This is only for plug acces clearence.

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B.Block Mustang Page

by rich pajzer

Has everyone been to the "Big Block Mustang Page" ? It's for 71's

Go to: WWW.SHADOW.NET/~CATALYST/MACH.HTM

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Recheck Address

by John B

Hi Rich - I keep getting "File not found on this server" messages when I try to access the Big Block Mustang Page you referenced. Could you recheck the address you posted? I would like to check this site out. Thanks!

Posted on Apr 1, 1999, 2:32 PM
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SORRY-- Here's correct address !

by rich pajzer

The correct adress to the page is:
www.shadow.net/~catalyst/mach1.htm

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It should now be working for both address's

by rich pajzer

cj

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both address's need to be in lower case letters-then will work correctly

by rich pajzer

cj

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A short note on UNIX quirks

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both address's need to be in lower case letters-then will work correctly

Actually, only the part after www.shadow.net/ needs to be in lower case.

Most web servers are UNIX machines which is a lot fussier about file names than your typical PC or Mac.  A unix machine can have two files with the names File1.txt and file1.txt in the same directory and UNIX considers them two different names.

The first part, www.shadow.net/ is the domain name and it doesn't matter if that's in upper case or not.  That part is used to look up the actual address on the 'net for that site.  Domain names are not case-sensitive.

In most cases though, everything after the domain name is case-sensitive.  The second part in this example ~catalyst/ is the location for this particular site at this domain and the third part mach1.htm is the actual page to load.

Thus,  WWW.SHADOW.NET/~catalyst/mach1.htm  will work just as well as www.shadow.net/~catalyst/mach1.htm

Class dismissed. ;-)

-Joe
 

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My Big Block Mach site

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Thanks for comment.. I'm actually in the middle of moving everything to my new location at: http://www.mach1mustang.com
You'll find the info on Mustangs here more complete. Thanks

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Page just changed

by Rich Pajzer

For all of you who maybe didn't get a chance to see this site, it was just changed, and now some of the 71 429 pictures are gone. (for now ?)

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Big Block Mach changes...

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I'm redoing all the Mustang years on my site (68-72). I'm doing these because when I had all the models for a single year on one page, people were getting confused. I'm going to have one general info page for each year, then pages for the top models. I'm going to feature models like the Boss 302, Boss 429, Trans-Am Bosses, and Mach 1's.
I'm aiming for the most complete site for Mustang years 69-72. So, any comments and suggest are welcome. What information would you like to see available???
Thanks

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Side stripes & hood paint

by Nigelj

Hi Group
I am trying to work out if my car came with side stripes
&/or hood paint. Anyone got an idea how I can find out?
My invoice doesn't mention either of them but does say colour
keyed front spoiler, unfortunately that is now gone. The paint
colour was dark ivy green. Any info would be great.


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There are options and then there are *options*....

by Mr F

I am trying to work out if my car came with side stripes &/or hood paint. Anyone got an idea how I can find out?

Nigel, what you're asking brings up the subject of standalone options versus packaged ones.

Those famous "swoosh" stripes were available as a standalone option for Mach 1s, only.  This required that the salesman check off a box marked stripes. By contrast, these same stripes were included when ordering the Boss 351 model.  And based on the scan of your invoice, its clear this didn't happen with your car's order.

But blackout hood paint is a different matter.  Officially called a "Tutone Hood Treatment", it was part of the Ram-Air option package....which also included unique hood locks and identifying decals, along with the functional components.  Obviously, choosing the optional SCJ-R (for "Ram-air") engine invokes all these features.

And while I appreciate your sending that scan of your invoice, might I get a full-size copy instead?  Another color scan would be fine, so long as the text is large enough to read without too much squinting.   ;-)
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Foiled Foil Double-speak

by Jim Gates

Nigel,
Are you sure that the airfoil you are thinking of on your invoice is really the lower front spoiler? I don't have my info in front of me for the exact wording, but I remember the wording being somewhat misleading. The description of the plastic, color-keyed bumper (integral airfoil) sounds like they are describing the spoiler, but it isn't.

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spoilers

by rich pajzer

The front spoiler was not an option on the 71. The rear spoiler was an option on a fastback only. The front spoiler came standard on the Boss 351 only, but could have been dealer installed on other cars, along with a rear spoiler, which wouldn't show on the invoice.



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Spoilers

by John B

Rich, this would explain my car. My Invoice shows the rear spoiler, but not the front, but the car has *both* front and rear spoilers.

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Everyone adds the front

by rich pajzer

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Ford called them "Spoiler Bumpers"

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I have seen where Ford called the front rubber bumper ; "Front Spoiler Bumper" , just to confuse things.

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I get the message

by Nigelj

Thanks guys I get it. Well it looks as if my car didn't come with sripes after all, never mind I think I will add Argent sripes when the car is finally finished ( I won't hold my breath until then ). Good point Mr F , with the hood paint treatment as part of the Ram Air package it would make sense for it not to be on the invoice.

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Toutone Hood

by Rich Pajzer

I have all 3 , 71-73 Showroom Brochures, and only the`73's makes mention of the Tutone Hood Option, as being available as a seperate option, from the Ram Air Option. The 71 and 72 brochures only mention the Tutone Hood as comming with the Ram Air option.

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Cobra Jet Parts Page

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There is a site called the Cobra Jets Parts Page. A good place to buy, or sell CJ parts. go to : www.p-c-net.net/~fordman/wwwboard/wwwboard.html

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You can't get there from here.

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You can't get to this site or the other one eather. Just like this site was at first. The only way is to click on it in a e-mail.

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works for me

by rich pajzer

I just punch in the address, and it goes right to the page ?

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Columbus

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Anyone going to the All Ford Swap at Columbus this weekend? If so, look me up in front of the stage in the new building. It would be neat to put some faces to names.

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I'll be there....somewhere...

by Mr F

Anyone going to the All Ford Swap at Columbus this weekend?

Just look for the guy in a (discretely embroidered) "Mr Fomoco" sweatshirt...."medium blue", of course.  And my thanks to Ms Fomoco for suggesting this swell accessory.   ;-)
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Mr F



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Power Steering Moan and Groan.

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I have had a time trying to keep my mustang power steering from making all kinds of moans and groans. Including bleeding it. I have tried several used pumps and one new reman.pump. Not much help. I dont know if any of these pumps, while looking the same, are realy for a 71 Mustang. Does anyone know if that could make a difference??? I also changed the steering Box.
Mabe a Saganaw box,(GM) which 71 mustangs have, has to have a different pressure pump, other than the other Ford cars that had Ford boxes???

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AIR IN SYSTEM ??

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Did you turn the steering wheel completely in both directions, about 10-12 times? Doing this will purge any air trapped in the system. Air, which gets in while the fluid is low, or if the system is apart, will cause the groaning.

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Gauges

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I have 3 71 Mach 1s and the Amp gauge does not work on any of them. I can't recall ever seeing one that has ever worked .
When I got my #1 car I noticed that the gauges
all read high, while going down the road, Amp, Temp,and gas gauge. To make a long story short I found the battery Ground cable was not grounded to the body, at the voltage reg. It was supposed to have a lug in the middle of the gnd cable and should have been attached to the screw that attaches the voltage reg. to the fender. I fixed this and the gauges all worked. Except, as I said above, the Amp gauge that is stuck in the middle. Simple fix, thought this might help someone elese. Oh yea, I think the dash lights got brighter too!!!

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low sensitivity

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The Ford Amp Meters were very un- sensitive, and only moved a little. I once read where a resistor could be added to make them more sensitive, but don't remember the details. The meter can be checked for proper operation, by connecting a "D" sized battery to it, in the direction that make the needle move. The needle on the amp meter will really jump when the battery is connected.

All the circuits in the car, pass though that ground connection, to get back to the battery, and it is really needed.

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Factory AM FM Book.

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I found an interesting Book in the dash of my SCJ car when I bought it.
It says :
" An Invitation to new dimentions in sound"
" 1971 AM / FM STERIO RADIO OPERATING MANUAL"
Part No. D1AA-19A016-AA
Anybody seen one before??? Radios have come a long way sence ' 71.

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I looked at my SCJ car the other day and rememberd
our talk about the fuel return line. It did not have it. It is a SCJ Automatic. Axle Y, 4.11, Trans U. C6
Engine J.429 Ram Air.
My other car is a CJ with AC and 4sp, J code.
It has the return line.
Both cars have the vapor canaster.

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Does it have the extra nipple on the Tank?

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429

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Does it have the extra fuel pump return line outlet? N/M

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Interesting Mustang Site

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I was perusing the net and I found a site which sells classic cars with a really neat Mustang section. Although I'm not looking to buy a car, the site has some really nice quality pictures of several 71 Mach 1 Mustangs that are for sale, including a red 71 429 SCJ. It's fun to check it out just to check out the photos. If anyone is interested, the web address is: http://www.cars-on-line.com/mustangmenu.html

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Priced right

by Joe

Some one should update Heasley on this.

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Location of Radio Antennas

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Does anybody out there know the proper location of the radio antenna for a 1971 Mach 1 429 CJr???
The only info I have been able to find is 'Mustang Illustrated" January 1997 volume 12 no.1 issue. It shows all the correct antennas for most Mustangs up to 1973 with the part numbers, I have the correct part number, but mine is located on the Right REAR fender. But I have seen other 71, 429 cars with the antenna on the RIGHT FRONT fender. Are both correct?
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My car

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The antenna on my 429SCJ sportsroof
is located on the passenger side front fender the fender is the original as far as I can tell.

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front fender

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All 65-73 Mustang antennas were located on the front passenger fender. There was a optional rear mounted antenna, only for the `67-`70 Shelbys though.

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Looked this up in parts book. `65-`73 did come with the front mounted antenna, except the `69-`70 Shelby had a rear antenna, #C9ZZ-18813-A. There was a universal electric rear mount antenna for the `67 and up Mustangs, models (65) and (63). It was #C7AZ-18813-C. So it is possible for a `71 to have this rear mounted electric antenna. I would guess that it would have been dealer installed.

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Just to be clear about this....

by Mr F

Looked this up in parts book. `65-`73 did come with the front mounted antenna, except the `69-`70 Shelby had a rear antenna, #C9ZZ-18813-A.

Better check that again - you've cited the plain old Mustang kit.  The Shelby unit should be C9ZZ-18813-C.

There was a universal electric rear mount antenna for the `67 and up Mustangs, models (65) and (63). It was #C7AZ-18813-C. So it is possible for a `71 to have this rear mounted electric antenna. I would guess that it would have been dealer installed.

Yes, the electric antenna was a DLR, only.  But the mass and depth of that unit make its positioning more important than one might guess.  For that reason, Ford's instructions included specific measurements for each model and car line.   :-)
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Front Fender

by John B

Like Bob's, my antenna is also located on the front fender.

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Everything points to one location....

by Mr F

Does anybody out there know the proper location of the radio antenna for a 1971 Mach 1

Ford's assembly documents, promotional photos, etc. are unambiguous in showing the R/H fender as the only "factory" location.  And even the dealer's radio installation kit comes with identical instructions, including a 1:1 template for drilling.

However, it should be pointed out that it was possible to order a Mustang sans radio.  This also meant "less antenna" and - in at least some model years - the antenna location was not predrilled.  In theory, then, the owner of said car was free to have an antenna mounted wherever (and whenever) he desired.   :-)
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Yes But...

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You may be right. My car came with a factory radio, I have the original invoice, and it is possible that it was changed by a previous owner. But if it was changed, I cannot find any indication of it being installed on the front fender. I have also seen some other 71 stangs with the antenna on the rear fender. Also when I entered the International Mustang Meet last year, I was not penalized points for having it installed on the rear fender, I was deducted for the wrong radiator cap, the wrong oil filter, battery cables and the wrong nut on the air cleaner lid.
I still wonder, is this something some of the dealers did as an extra?? HMMMMMMM???????
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Yes, but....what? ;-)

by Mr F

You may be right. My car came with a factory radio, I have the original invoice, and it is possible that it was changed by a previous owner. But if it was changed, I cannot find any indication of it being installed on the front fender.

I see your point, but are you sure the fender is original?  And when you say "invoice", does this refer to a sheet (in window sticker format) generated by Dearborn, or something on the dealer's letterhead?  If the dealer sold a radio from his own stock, then anything's possible.  Also, look to see if the antenna cable extension is a Genuine Ford part - the dealer kit came with a standard cable, only.

I have also seen some other 71 stangs with the antenna on the rear fender.

To date, I've seen three vintage Mustangs on 4 x 4 chassis.  I would not be surprised to find there are more, yet I seriously doubt any of them left the factory in that condition.   ;-)

Also when I entered the International Mustang Meet last year, I was not penalized points for having it installed on the rear fender, I was deducted for the wrong radiator cap, the wrong oil filter, battery cables and the wrong nut on the air cleaner lid.

As with the above sightings, this fact is interesting but hardly constitutes credible evidence.  There's no guarantee a club's rules will reflect anything more than the wishes & beliefs of the rulemakers.  They are independent bodies, rarely forthcoming about the sources for their info....and their rulebooks aren't exactly factory-approved.

This is not to say clubs don't have their place - clearly they do.  But it would be circular reasoning to suggest their very existence lends credence to their beliefs.  And, please, don't get me started on any specifics or its bound to hurt someone's feelings.  For now, I'm content to have laissez faire: they don't tell me what's correct and I don't tell them how to spend all those thousands in fees.   :-)
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Amp meter -how to

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Take this one slow. You can also test the meter with the D battery. The neddle on this one will really jump. Disconnect the car battery. You will need to locate some donor parts from a`71-`73 Must; or Cougar, that came wih the amp meter. You will need the "Junction Block" located to the left of the Voltage Reg; and also the two heavy black wires connected to the block. A foot of each should be enough. Next, remove the black wire w/ orange stripe from the battery side of the Starter Solenoid on YOUR car, and connect it to the installed Junction block. Also remove the yellow 'fuse link" wire at this time. Follow this fuse link down about 10", until you come to a large black "splice joint". Two inches after this joint, cut the link, and save it. Next, lay one of the "donor" heavy black wires down in front of you , horizontaly, with the Eyelet to the right. Tape it down to something, it may help you. Take the other heavy black wire and cut off the Eyelet. Now solder this wire onto the middle of the one that's taped down. Add this wire so that it lays verticaly. The wires should now look like the letter T. Lable this added wire, at the bottom of the "T" , as the "A" wire. Lable the end wire, to the left of the "T", as wire "B". Where the "T" is joined in the middle, solder in a small wire. Five inches to the left of this small wire, add another small wire. This second small wire will be in the center of the "B" wire. Solder the saved fuse link to the end of the B wire. Now connect the Eyelet Wire to the junction block, along with the one you already added there. Next, connect the fuse link to the battery side of the starter Solenoid. Next, solder the "A" wire to the yellow wire, where you cut off the fuse link. The two small wires need to be run along the harness under the radiator, over the shock tower, and then through the firewall grommet. A small hole can be made in the lower part of the grommet for this. Tape up the harness so it looks stock. You may need to look at a car with gauges, to see how the stock tape looked, in the area near the starter solenoid. Connect the two small wires to the amp meter. If the amp meter works in reverse, just reverse the small wires. The small Grommet Hole can be sealed up with a dab of Silcone. Solder, and tape all connections, as the gauges work better with tight connections. Install the Tach first, then the oil gauge, and so on.

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Temp Gauge - How To

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Test, and mark the temp gauge in the same manner as the oil gauge. Purchase a correct Temp Gauge Sender, and install it in place of the temp light switch. Next, connect a jumper wire to both the + terminals on the oil, and temp gauge. These will now be connected together. Locate the red wire w/ white stripe, at the speedo main wire connector, and cut it. Tape the wire closest to the connector. Take the other end of the wire and connect it to the - on the temp gauge. At the Ignition Switch Harness, locate the red wire w/white stripe, and cut it. Tape up both ends. It's not used now, as it was the circuit that turned on the old temp light, during cranking. The gauge will work better (corectly) without it.

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Oil Gauge-How To

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You should first test the gauges by hooking each one to a "D" battery,and watching the needle. Try the battery in both directions utill the needles move in the right direction. Once they are moving correctly, mark the terminal as + and - to correspond to the battery hook-up. Purchase the correct Gauge Sender, and install it on the engine, in place of the light switch. Run a wire from the + on gauge, to the stud on the fuel gauge. This fuel gauge stud will be the one that faces the left (drivers) side of the car, not the right hand stud. You can use a connector similar to the type on the coil, or the starter solenoid, to add this wire. At the speedo Main Wire Connector, locate the White wire w/red stripe, and cut it. Tape up the end closest to connector. Run the other end of this wire to the - on the gauge.

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AC/ Drag Pack

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I have a `71 Ford option list with prices, for the mustang, and it states that A/C was a $412 option, and that is WAS avalible with a 429, EXCEPT with the Drag Pack. (Power steering was also required when A/C was ordered.)

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air or not to air

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My information agrees, and I have checked with a friend who has been involved with FORD for years and also owns a 71 429 car (except he has installed a BOSS 429 in his) and he confirms that some old tech bullitens he has from ford,indicat that in 1971 Mustangs in order to get air conditioning you had to have a rear axle of 3.25:1 in order to prevent the car from over heating. A 3.25:1 axle was not available on a DRAG Pak car. how ever there was lots of air conditioning units installed at dealerships using factory parts,(hence the reason for the bulliten)

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General rule

by Halowe

I think we've all been in agreement that this was the general rule. However, I also think that there were exceptions from the factory, not just dealer installed.

Here's an example of a simlilar general rule being broken by Ford. Supposedly the SCJ was only available on the DragPak equipped Torinos. However, I have personally seen an SCJ Torino with "highway" gears, and have heard of several examples.

I have also seen an article on two of the three 1971 SCJ equipped Torino convertibles. As I recall, at least one of these had air conditioning from the factory. These cars had some very odd (read that "thought not available") features, I'll see if I can locate the article if anyone is interested.

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Look Here

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I have a magazine test on a 71 mustang, 429 SCJ, that had factory Air, but this was a test car delivered to all the magazines in `71. This is the only 71 Mustang 429 SCJ/AC I have ever heard of.

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I think that you've missed my point.

by Halowe

Here's a bit of what I first wrote on this topic in an earlier thread:

>I have seen (magazine article) an SCJ Cougar represented as a documented A/C car. I can't recall having seen an SCJ Mustang with A/C, but the Cougars above indicate at least a possibility. The Cougar was supposed a factory Ford showcar, but was a production car as opposed to a prototype. I have also seen (again, a magazine article) a Torino SCJ convertible with A/C, supposedly documented.

The above car was a *production* car. Although it was thought to have been used for a short time as a display car, it was sold to the public. It was not a prototype or even a "pre-production".

Then yesterday, I wrote:

>Here's an example of a simlilar general rule being broken by Ford. Supposedly the SCJ was only available on the DragPak equipped Torinos. However, I have personally seen an SCJ Torino with "highway" gears, and have heard of several examples.

I know nothing of the ordering history of this car, except that it was ordered with the intent of being used for high-speed, top-end street racing in New Orleans.

>I have also seen an article on two of the three 1971 SCJ equipped Torino convertibles. As I recall, at least one of these had air conditioning from the factory. These cars had some very odd (read that "thought not available") features, I'll see if I can locate the article if anyone is interested.

These two Torinos were both regular production cars, ordered through the usual dealer channels by individuals.

Now here's my point. This "no A/C" rule was across the board, it was not specific to just 1971 429SCJ Mustangs. It applied to all applications of the 429SCJ. It appears that rule, and other related SCJ rules, were broken in a number of instances that have been documented or reliably reported. How many more times did it happen than have been documented or reported? I don't think anyone knows. What started this whole topic of conversation was a car that was advertised for sale. It was purported to be a Mustang 429SCJ w/AC. Some suggested that just could not be so. I say that it is not so clear cut. Perhaps this very car is the one that is the first Mustang exception to the rule to be found. Or, perhaps is was dealer installed. Or perhaps, it really is something different than the ad represents. You just can't rule out the possibility that it is non-existent based on the general rule. We would be having this same conversation (but perhaps on a different BBS) had this car been a Torino or a Cougar or a Cyclone. This is not a Mustang specific topic.


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all I meant was that we know that the MUSTANG didnt come with Air on the 429 SCJ. Reading your story about the Torino made me remember that I have an article on one 71 Mustang 429 scj w/a/c though, which was a test car. It was discused ealier on the board that the stang scj didn't come with a/c, just wanted to add the bit of info, to the board, on the "Mustang Test Car. I also have 2 articles on 71 cougars, both 429 SCJ w/A/C. One was black and the other was blue, both convertables. I think it was the blue one that was the "hand- built prototype", or maybe both, i'll have to pull them out and read.

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Correction

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i just want to correct my previous post. The Blue Cougar SCJ convertible was a hand built showcar , which travled the country, and is now owned by the head ofthe cougar club of america. The black cougar was just a CJ w/air, but has been deamed a fake, by the club, due to the fact " that ford couldn't put a/c in the 429 Cougar Conv. due to the fact that they would have had to go to a G series tire to hold the weight of the car". I would have to guess that the cougar conv, weighed more than a Mustang Conv? The story on the black cougar goes on to say that the blue cougar is the only 71 Cougar Conv ever made with any 429, with A/C. The blue Cougar showcar can be seen in the Jan. `88 Super Ford.

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Cool Cats.

by Halowe

> The black cougar was just a CJ w/air, but has been deamed a fake, by the club, due to the fact " that ford couldn't put a/c in the 429 Cougar Conv. due to the fact that they would have had to go to a G series tire to hold the weight of the car"

See, that's just the kind of logic that I'm trying to make sure that we, as a group, avoid. That barely even rises to the level of circumstantial evidence. Now that Ford records from these years are available, verification one way or the other is only a phone call away to whomever has the VIN number.

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Now, I'm really missing your point.

by Rich

Are you saying we shouldn't beleive what we read, or see in a car magazine, or book, and that we should check everthing out with Ford, now that we're able to?

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1 more

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Or, even though Ford said that they didn't build something one way, they may have let 3 or 4 slip out with what they said they didn't build?

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Get it ,now

by Rich

I had to go in and read my original post. I didn't even remember I started this whole subject. have been on several board lately, like yourself. Yes, anyone who has ever had blue blood in their viens knows that Ford has done some stange things in the past. There is now supposed to be a Boss 302 out there with factory Air. And there are the assembly line mistakes, which happened all the time, especially in the first weeks of production. There's the "regular tuo-tone hood", that was sometimes put on a Boss 351, as it moved down the line. Or the Ford Exc, who wanted it built "his way". Or the shiek of Siam, who didn't care what it co$t, his 14 young wives wanted theirs built that way, ECT.

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To quote a famous mechanic...

by Halowe

"I was wr...wr...wro...wrrr...wrrrrooo...", Arther (Fonzie) Fonzarellie.

Fonzie couldn't say it, but I can. I was wrong. I pulled the article on the two SCJ Torino Convertibles. Neither had A/C. However, they both had a bunch of items between the two of them that were supposedly not available on the convertibles according to the article. For example: grabber blue paint and Cobra hood pins. There are also other difficult to explain differences between the two cars, like one has 429 emblems on the fenders and one does not. Both cars are supposedly fully documented are just as they came from the factory.

Then I pulled the article that you mention on the hand-built Cougar. That *could* be the same car that I read about in another article, but I'm not sure. I haven't located the other article yet. I seem to remember the car in the other article as being a gold colored car.

Then, just to confuse the matter a little more, Jerry Heasley wrote in the June, 1993 "Mustang and Fords" article on '71 big block Mustangs, "Air conditioning was offered with the 429CJ. Even Drag Pack cars could have had this option."

And, to throw more fuel on the fire, I pulled an article from the No. 5, 1985, issue of "MuscleCars", written by Scott Stevens. In this article, Mr. Stevens recounts a test drive that he did of a 1971 Torino Cobra SCJ for a magazine back in the 1971 model year. The article is complete with many pictures of the car taken in 1971 (probably actually 1970). From the photos, you can see the air conditioning setup on the car. (On a side note, this car was running poorly and still turned a 13.70/106mph time at the dragstrip! It had the 3.91 rear gear. It was running "way too lean" and the "ignition was way retarded", plus it was bogging off the line.) This car might have been "hand assembled" like the Cougar, but I doubt that, as the 429SCJ Torino had already been in production for a year, so there would be no need of hand assembly. Maybe Ford was considering offering a/c in 1971, and this was a test bed. Who knows. But, if this car was sold to the public, then there was at least one a/c equipped Torino SCJ. Plus, at least one, maybe two or more, 429SCJ Cougar sold to the public in 1971.

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I was also wrong

by rich pajzer

when i pulled the article on the 71 stang scj with air, it wasn't a SCJ.

PS-- The part i quoted on the Cougar Conv; needing a G series tire in order to have air, the article said that a G series tire wouln't have worked (fit?) in the front wheelwell, so the a/c was dropped from the Conv. Who said this, I dont know. Ya know, all ford had to do on the Mustang SCJ, was to add a vacuum switch to the A/C compressor so that's it power was cut during full throttle. JCWhitney use to sell a switch forthis purpose. Ford used a switch like this on the 5.0 GT's, to cut the alternator at high speed.

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Tach- How To

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You will need the tach cluster assembly, and also the large cluster wire connector, as it's different from the connector that will already be in the non-tach car. (You may need to get this from a junk car that had tach.) first, cut off the present connector from your car, and solder in the new one by matching the color codes of the wires. There will be a few extra wires left over, just tape them up, these were for the idiot lights, (clock). Next, at the fuses block harness, locate the red wire w/ light green stripe and tap into it with a wire. Run this wire to the male prong on the tach. Next, at the ignition switch harness you will find TWO red wires w/ light green stripes. These wires will be together with each other. Cut both of them. One of these runs to the positive side of the ignition coil. This coil wire is the wire you want to locate. You will need to use an Ohm Meter to check for continuity to the positive side of the coil, to find out which R/G wire to use. Once you have determined the correct wire, solder on a length of wire, and run this to the female prong on the tach. Solder the other cut R/G wire back together where it was cut. That's all there is to it.

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boy, am I stupid!

by Rich Pajzer

RE: TACH-- Where I say "you need to locate the correct Red wire with Green Stripe, and cut both wires". All you have to do is cut these two wires one at a time while the engine is running. When you have cut the correct wire going to the positive side of the coil, the car will die! So you have a 50/50 chance of getting it on the first snip! You need to still reconnect the othe wire if you also snipped it.

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Yes ,I Am!!!

by Rich Pajzer

Forget it. Because you have alresdy cut the wire at the Ignition Switch, the car won't run anyway, so use the Ohm Meter. This is what I get for trying to read these posts while i'm at work!

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by Rich Pajzer

You need to reverse the whole Tach procudure, and first cut the 2 red wires that have the green stripes, at the ignition switch, one at a time while the car is running, to find out which wire runs to the coil, before duing anthing else. This will be easier than using the Ohm Meter. After that you can work from the other wires on the procedure. Sorry to confuse anyone, as much as I do myself.

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Flywheel Specs

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Hello People, I am in need of knowing the dimensions of the flywheel that is used on a 4spd version of our cars (thickness specifications), as I think I may have to replace my original, But want to know for sure. Is there a minimum thickness and what is the original factory specs?
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