Any indy that draws 100+ a show with no legends on the card are doing something. I dont care who it is. If you have to resort to a legend to draw then your roster is garbage. If you do have a legend and get only a 100 or so then chances are its new people to see the name because fans arent returning to your events. PWX draws their same 40-50 people and no matter whats said by the smarks they are returning every two weeks. They are retaining fans. UCW is shit but they get the friends and families of the workers so they dont matter in this equation. WVWA kill more then they build. Others I am not familiar with but these ones seem to live on this board more so then others. There are more ways to look at it such as a permanent place they run or if the run in an area and only certain buildings every once in a while. Workers that think they can promote should do it and show the promoters that arent doing it right to them how its done. The promoters that cant promote for their life need to pack it in and let good promotions run.