I have watched Viper wrestle for almost 20 years u may not like his matches but he can work. Same with TJ have only been watching him for 3 or 4 years but he seems to keep getting better. If u dont like there shows dont watch I enjoy both of there work and have never been to a EWA or APWA show but have watched them both and in this area they are 2 of the best. So if they are that bad who in the area do u think is better?