Warning to all pussy weakilings. I am not anti-Jew(typical charge when anybody says anything about the Jews)The purpose of me to post this article is that it is true that many (I am not sure how many)Jews actively trash the Armenians. My question is how many Don Feders are out there spamming about Armenians?





Don Feder

EU roasts Turkey over Armenians

http://www.jewishworldreview.com -- ISTANBUL -- The European Union's parliament is demanding Turkey admit that its predecessor, the Ottoman Empire, committed genocide against Armenians 85 years ago. It's the type of self-defeating nonsense for which Europeans are justly famous.
Armenian genocide resolutions have passed one house of both the French and Italian legislatures. (While thus occupied, Paris doesn't have to deal with the complicity of Vichy France in the genocide that defined the term.)
In October, the U.S. House of Representatives came close to voting on a non-binding resolution on the same subject. The measure was wisely tabled.
Weighing the advantages of such declarations (none) against the very real risk of losing the cooperation of a country critical to Western security should make the matter a no-brainer.
Armenians maintain that early in World War I, the Ottoman Turks slaughtered 1.5 million of their countrymen in an act of calculated barbarism foreshadowing the Holocaust. Turks, who put Armenian casualties much lower, say the objective was relocation, not extermination.
The Ottomans, who were used to shuffling people around in their empire, saw their Armenian subjects allied with their Russian enemy in the Great War. Moreover, say the Turks, atrocities were committed by both sides, including the actions of Armenian partisans intent on creating a homogenous homeland by driving out Turks.
Though acknowledging atrocities against Armenian civilians, conservative scholar Bruce Fein notes: "When Armenians held the opportunity, they massacred Turks without mercy. ... The war ignited a cycle of violence between both groups."
While individual Turkish officers and soldiers behaved abominably, records show the Ottoman government ordered its army to exercise restraint in moving the Armenians.
Like the Jews, Armenians have borne the brunt of history, not only in 1915 but since antiquity. But assigning responsibility for the slaughter, and determining its magnitude, is the work of historians, not politicians.
The EU manifesto comes as Ankara negotiates its entry into the Union. It strengthens the hand of Turkish militants (a few years ago, an Islamic party was briefly in power) and weakens the intellectual heirs of Kemal Ataturk, who would draw their nation closer to the West.
Turkey and Israel are the only democracies in the Middle East. Turkey is also unique as a nation with an overwhelmingly Moslem population and a secular government.
Strategically situated at the crossroads of Europe, Asia and the Middle East, Turkey borders and helps to contain Iraq, Iran and Syria. Its army is the second largest in NATO.
For almost half a century, Turkey has been a loyal ally of the United States. It stood with us in every conflict from Korea to the Gulf War. In the United Nations, Turkey votes with America more consistently than either France or Italy.
And Turkey has friendly relations with a country desperately in need of friends. It's Israel's major regional trading partner. Israeli pilots train over Turkish airspace.
The Turks are a proud people and understandably indignant when their nation is compared to Nazi Germany. The matter is more than academic. Between 1973 and 1985, 47 Turkish diplomats were assassinated by an Armenian terrorist group. The tragedy of 1915 was the excuse for these atrocities.
Turkey also fought an extended war against the separatist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), another object of Western solicitude. The PKK murdered approximately 30,000 Turks, most of them civilians. The foregoing does not put Ankara in an apologizing mood.
For the West, historical apologies are an emotional cathartic. Clinton can barely blink without expressing remorse for everything from slavery to Reagan's Central American policy. Facing both internal and external challenges as it struggles to modernize and maintain its special identity, Turkey can't indulge in national psychotherapy.
History isn't edited by current political realities. But the latter injects a note of caution. Damaging a vital strategic relationship to memorialize a tragedy is no bargain.
The people who once reached the European heartland as conquerors now guard its southern flank. Alienating them is in no one's interest -- save our enemies.

Mr Don Feder I am sure is quiet aware of what the facts are about the Armenian Genocide. His agenda is clearly manifested by his article, which is deliberate misinformation to benefit Israel and Turkey. While it is true that first amendment allows freedom of speech and with that in mind we should not hesitate to show our protests to Don Feders out there. Guys do not hesitate to attack morons weather be Jew or whatever. It is our right to fight misinformation and revisionism.

Regards To Bogos, Imasdun,TB, Thorny, Cekirge and the rest of the brave bunch

I wrote to him in the bast and also sent another copy to the direction of the Jew World Review, the direction answered me by thanking me of having written, and said Feder have read my letter and will reply... Feder never replied to the letter, probably because I asked him to apologise and he is too arogant to do so.

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Imasdun jan, I read your reply. Very proud of you. It was well written.
You should post it here so anybody who has not read it yet will have the oportunity to do so.
Take care

Oups, Thorny I have answered with your account again.

Sorry.

BTW Argishti, my letter to Feder is an old one, my new one to Ray Conlogue is a more interesting one.

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Here is a thought provoking article by Harout who no longer is around.

Zion

I’m going to respond to your question publicly. Because it is an important question and we should share it with others. The question was “can I prove, unequivocally, that Zionists are, or ever have, conspired against Armenians”: Allow me to begin by answering your question indirectly (It might help you to see that it’s a very subjective question to ask, and one that cannot have a definitive answer due to the very nature of Zionism). Can you officially prove in court, with applicable evidence, that the CIA was involved with the over-throw of the Persian government in 1956? Can you prove that the CIA was involved in the “arms for hostages” deals with Iran? Can you prove that the CIA trained and armed the Sandanistas? Can you prove that the CIA organizes and instigated anti-Castro sentiments within the expatriated Cuban community of Florida? Can you prove that Oswald had covert support for the assassination of President Kennedy? Can you prove that the KGB was involved in the mysterious death of Paruir Sevak, or any other mysterious death in the USSR? Can you prove that the KGB was involved in the death of Katholoicos Gevorg? Can you prove that KGB was giving ‘go-ahead’ clearance to all clergy appointments in Soviet Armenia? Can you prove that the ARF officially planned and carried out the assassination of Bishop Turian in 1933? Can you prove that the ARF and Hnchakians were directly involved in the assassinations of Turkish diplomats? Can you prove that Nairi Hunanyan acted with ‘outside’ assistance when conducting the Parliamentary killings? Can you prove that Patriarch Mutafyan is a Turkish MIT agent, or at least, sub-subservient to them? Can you prove that Young Turks ‘preplanned’ the extermination of the Armenians of Turkey? Can you prove that Hagop Hagopian’s (ASALA) assassination was conducted by the Turkish MIT, with CIA or Israeli Mossad support? Can you prove to me that the Mossad has agents working in Washington DC. Can you prove that Ocalan was apprehended by MIT agents with the help of the CIA and Mossad? Can you prove that Osama was behind the September 11 attacks? Can you prove to me, without-a-shadow-of-doubt, that OJ Simpson killed his wife? Likewise, can I prove to you that God exists? Can I prove that God does not exist? Can I prove that the Young Turks were partly of Jewish extraction (converts)? Can I prove to you that Zionists actively conspired against Armenians in Ottoman Turkey? Can I prove to you that Zionists actively conspired against Armenians in pre-Stalin USSR? You know what, if we could prove these facts to each other, we would most probably be deader than a doornail. I know I did not prove to you anything. But do you see where I am going with this? We are discussing events and realities that are universally known, yet cannot be adequately proven. Even discussing them is taboo. The inner dynamics of state policies of major nations are things you and I cannot comprehend and would never be given a chance to experience first hand. What we ‘clearly’ know is that Jews have been actively working with Turks in Washington against Armenians. Right? We do know that Jewish establishments, organizations, and prominent figures in Turkey openly insult Armenians. Right? Have you ever asked yourself why the Greeks, Assyrians and the Kurds of Turkey do not resort to similar tactics to gain favors from Ankara? We do know that Zionists do not want to see the Armenian genocide recognized because it is the Jews that have the monopoly of being a ‘victimized nation’. Right? I personally know of an Armenian-American Journalist that could not get an article about the Armenian Genocide published in the ‘Jew’ York Times, unless, she included references to the Jewish Holocaust and Armenian assassinations of Turks. We do know that the Zionist state of Israel has very cordial relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan and not Armenia. Right? We do know that Israel was supplying the Azerbaijani army with logistical support during the Karabagh war (I have seen, with my eyes, Israeli food rations captured by Armenians from Azeris in Artsakh). We do know that Israel has embassies open in Ankara and Baku and not in Armenia. Right? We do know that the Zionist state of Israel is very unhappy with Armenia’s cordial relations with Iran. Right? We do know that Israel has active military and economic ties with Turkey. Right? And finally, we definitely know what Turkey thinks of Armenia. Don’t We? What else does the State of Israel have to do, short of bombing Yerevan, to show you that it has policies that are hostile to Armenia? Whether Zionists conspire against Armenia for their malicious self-serving interests or because of the interest of their best friends in Ankara, or a mixture of both, that end-results are the same. Armenia cannot fit the geo-political formulas, security interests and grandiose agendas of Zionists and Turks. Also relevant for this context is the role Islamic Republic of Iran plays, albeit, indirectly. Iran today is the only stable and viable neighbor Armenia has. Iran’s foreign policies have been very favorable to Armenia and hostile to Turkey and Azerbaijan. Iran is also a nation that Zionists fear most. I say this because I monitor various Zionist papers and they all express extreme paranoia and hostility towards Iran even more so than Iraq. I should also add that every Zionist organization I have monitored, except Jewish Task Force, have been extremely pro-Turkey. Do you see a formula developing? Zionists are close to Turks and against Iranians. Turkey is close to Israel and against Iran and Armenia. Do you see that Zionists do not have to be directly hostile to Armenia in order to severely undermine Armenia’s sovereignty? In closing, I have to say that yours question is vague in nature, very rhetorical and extremely subjective. Which is probably why you have not received a satisfactory answer from any of the people you have posed this question to. Your question is also a technique used by apologists worldwide, whether Nazi, Turkish or Zionist (all three are ideologically off-springs of the same beast).Why are you so adamant in disproving Jewish (Zionist) antagonisms against Armenia and Armenians? Is not the writing on the wall clear enough for you? Why do you seek proof of a kind that can’t be provided, due to its very nature, unless, you have another agenda? Which, I would hate to think. Listen Sassoon, the collective mentality of traditional Jewish culture is very xenophobic and chauvinistic. Knowing the above dose not make me a Jew hater. Nor does that make all Jews xenophobic and chauvinistic. There is good and bad in all people. Zionism, however, is an ideological/political movement drenched with racism, hate and expansionism. I have no idea what percent of world Jewry is considered Zionists. That does not even matter to me. What matters is that the Israeli state was founded by Zionists and is still being run by them. You are right let’s stop this discussion about Jews and whether or not we can be ‘buddy buddy’ with them. The aforementioned will be my last word regarding the matter whether you have any replies or not.

Jerm Makhtanknerov, Harout "

It is particularly annoying to me that Jews successfully have muted any direct criticism about Israel and Jews in general even if those concerns were legitimate.The classic tactic is as soon as you raise valid criticism such as denying the Armenian Genocide or Palestinian treatment you automatically labeled as Anti-Semite or Anti-Jewish. Even our very own Intellectuals fall for this including our very own ara baliozian. It is enough to just say “jew” and you will see the preachers attacking you from left and right. Jews like the rest of humanity are not exempted from objective criticism. When I see an Armenian hater Jew, I have to qualms to say so but as often it happens you will see some poorly informed person who bought the “victim nation” doctrine and will point their finger: “Anti-Semite”.
I have a right to expose any revisionists and bigots weather that be Jewish , Turkish or whatever who openly humiliate and disseminate propaganda.
So please before you raise your fingers ask yourself if you are really clean from the brainwashing.

Dear Argishti,

Later, I hope to post more on this matter. I will make a short comment on your last post.

I am equally tired of Jewish community's silencing any criticism by calling those "Anti-Semitism". The question is "Are we (Turks and Armenians) any better than Jews?" in this aspect.

I have come to realize that, you are very quick to brand a historian as "revisionist", or somebody with opposing views as "denialist" (And please do not tell me these are simple words, just said from anger and frustration). I have read an American columnist complaining about receiving hate mails from Armenians and Greeks whenever he says something positive about Turks. Armenians also have been actively trying (and succeeding) to stop the non-secret funding of university chairs by Turkish Government(funding is quite a common practice among nations). In other words, you are assuming those scholars are going to be corrupted and turn to be "revisionists", even before they have started their work. It is also known that some scholars have been intimitated, threatened, and in one instance even bombed. Please, explain to me, in an objective way, how you can see these any different than what Jews have been doing.

My reason for including us was not to create any sympathy, or be apologetic. I am aware that Turkish side is not beyond following similar tactics. I also belive that first we should clean our houses before singling out Jews for silencing their opponents.

Regards

Between what jews do and what Armenians do.

Armenians don't want people LYING.

jews don't want people telling the truth!

A simple opionion from a simple man.

Of BS answer is that???

Edward once you told ,you are in Pasadena.

Are you still there??