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1. UN Genocide Exhibit Postponed Over Turkish Objection to Armenian Ref From: Ara Ashjian
2. Armenian Federation of Spain calls on authorities to recognize Armen From: Ara Ashjian
3. Concert not canceled due to threats, ASA president says From: David Boyajian
4a. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America, From: David Boyajian
4b. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America, From: aret333
4c. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America, From: Nader Rastegar
4d. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America, From: Dennis R. Papazian
4e. Re: [TheArmenianGroup] Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister' From: Dennis R. Papazian
5. THREE EVENTS FOR LOS ANGELES RESIDENTS From: Ara
6. Easter a time for families at NYC's St. Vartan Armenian Cathedral From: Jake
7. Toronto Armenians to Give Play in Chicago http://www.agbuchicago.org From: VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi
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1. UN Genocide Exhibit Postponed Over Turkish Objection to Armenian Ref
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:48 am (PST)
UN Genocide Exhibit Postponed Over Turkish Objection to Armenian Reference

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Posted GMT 4-10-2007 0:56:31 digg_topic = 'world_news' ; digg_skin = 'compact';

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UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- A U.N. exhibition on the 1994 Rwanda genocide, scheduled to open Monday, has been postponed because of Turkish objections to a reference to the murders of a million Armenians in Turkey during World War I.
James Smith, chief executive of the British-based Aegis Trust which works to prevent genocide and helped organize the photo exhibition, said the U.N. Department of Public Information approved the contents and it was put up on Thursday.
After a Turkish diplomat complained about the reference to the Armenian murders, he said, Armenia's U.N. Ambassador Armen Martirosyan went to see the new Undersecretary for Public Information Kiyotaka Akasaka and they agreed to remove the words "in Turkey."
Martirosyan said Akasaka even invited him to the exhibition's opening, but he was informed late Sunday "the opening would be postponed, or delayed, or even canceled." He blamed Turkish "censorship" and the country's refusal "to come to terms with their own history."
On Monday, the exhibition was still in the visitor's lobby, but turned away from public view.
U.N. associate spokesman Farhan Haq confirmed the Turkish complaint but said "the basic concern" was that the review process for U.N. exhibitions, which takes into account "all positions," was not followed.
"The exhibition has been postponed until the regular review process is completed," Haq said.
Historians estimate up to 1.5 million Armenians were killed by Ottoman Turks around the time of World War I, an event widely viewed by genocide scholars as the first genocide of the 20th century. Turkey, however, denies the deaths constituted genocide, saying that the toll has been inflated and that those killed were victims of civil war and unrest.
Smith told the Associated Press the exhibition refers to the Armenian murders in the context of explaining the word "genocide," which was coined by Raphael Lemkin, a lawyer of Polish-Jewish descent. Lemkin was inspired by what happened to the Armenians and other mass killings, and campaigned in the League of Nations -- the precursor of the United Nations -- against what he called "barbarity" and "vandalism."
Smith said a small panel on Lemkin in the exhibit "says that during World War I a million Armenians were murdered in Turkey." It goes on to explain that Lemkin first used the word genocide in 1943, and then focuses on the Rwanda genocide, he said.
Haq said "the U.N. hasn't expressed any position on incidents that took place long before the United Nations was established" after World War II.
"In any case, the focus during the anniversary of the Rwanda genocide should remain on Rwanda itself," he said.
Rwanda's genocide began hours after a plane carrying President Juvenal Habyarimana was mysteriously shot down as it approached the capital, Kigali, on April 6, 1994. The 100-day slaughter, in which more than 500,000 minority Tutsis were killed by Hutu extremists, ended after rebels ousted the extremist Hutu government that orchestrated the killings.
Smith said the panel on the origin of genocide could have been done without referring to the Armenians.
But once the Armenian reference "was there and approved, we felt as a matter of principle you can't just go around striking things out. It is a form of denial, and as an organization that deals with genocide issues, we couldn't do that on any genocide, and we can't do this," he said.
"If we can't get this right, it undermines all the values of the U.N. It undermines everything the U.N. is meant to stand for in terms of preventing (genocide)," Smith said.
"You can't learn the lessons from history if you're going to sweep all of that history under the carpet. And what about accountability? What about ending impunity if you're going to hide part of the truth? It makes a mockery of all of this."
By Edith M. Lederer
Associated Press Writer Lily Hindy contributed to this report.
http://www.aina. org/news/ 2007049195631. htm

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2. Armenian Federation of Spain calls on authorities to recognize Armen
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:50 am (PST)
Armenian Federation of Spain calls on authorities to recognize Armenian Genocide

09.04.2007 16:22

YEREVAN (YERKIR) - Various Armenian associations in Spain large of approximately 50 000 people, constituted in a federation to unify the criteria of intervention in the Spanish society.

Among the principal objectives of the new entity, it is envisioned to create a work group taking in consideration the defense of its rights.

In addition, the federation will present on April 22 in Madrid, two documents to the Spanish authorities, the first of which exhorts Prime Minister Zappatero's government to recognize the Armenian Genocide, and the second, the organization on April 24 of commemorations in memory of the victims of Genocide in the cities where the Armenian community is present, PanARMENIAN. Net reported.
http://www.yerkir. am/eng/index. php?sub=news_ arm&id=29982

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3. Concert not canceled due to threats, ASA president says
Posted by: "David Boyajian" dboyajian@msn.com david_boyajian
Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:28 am (PST)

Brown Daily Herald

Concert not canceled due to threats, ASA president says

By Debbie Lehmann

Issue date: 4/10/07 Section: Campus News

The Turkish-Armenian concert planned for Friday that was canceled last week
was not called off because the president of the Armenian Students
Association received threats, ASA President Ruben Izmailyan '09 wrote Monday
in an e-mail to The Herald. Izmailyan wrote that he was not in any way
"threatened, intimidated or even asked to pull out."

The Herald reported Monday that the concert was canceled due to threats,
citing an e-mail from a Turkish Cultural Society member. That e-mail, which
included a message sent from the TCS president to the group's members, read
that the ASA president and musicians received "warning messages" from
members of the Armenian community and that as "the situation got serious,
warnings turned into threats."

Izmailyan, who declined to explain the cancellation for Monday's article,
told The Herald the cancellation was a joint decision between the two groups
after the Armenian musicians decided not to participate.

"I have received nothing but encouragement in my handling of the innate
complexities involved in such an event," Izmailyan wrote Monday, "including
from individuals who believed that this event was inappropriate at this time
and with the given circumstances. "

Izmailyan wrote that the musicians pulled out of the concert because many
members of the Armenian community expressed concern about the "potential
misuse of the event." The musicians "did not wish to participate in an event
that the Armenian community was not united behind," he wrote.

Izmailyan added that he was the only person who spoke to the musicians about
their decision to withdraw from the concert.

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4a. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,
Posted by: "David Boyajian" dboyajian@msn.com david_boyajian
Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:30 am (PST)

Look, Armenia is not in a position where it can afford as much
corruption as it has.

Armenia is very poor.

It is blockaded on two sides, and has an unreliable neighbor on its northern
border who is allied with Turkey and Azerbaijan.

Armenia needs all the help from its Diaspora that it can get yet Armenia's
high level officials often do not care whether the Diaspora has confidence
in how its (Diaspora's) money is being spent.

The US can afford corruption. So can Turkey. And so can oil rich
Azerbaijan. Armenia can't.

We don't need high level Armenian officials and their relatives stealing
money from the people of Armenia, raping the country and its forests,
sending Armenian women abroad to be prostutes, and stealing money from the
Diaspora and then coming to America and buying up things that even American
born Armenians cannot afford.

Armenian is unlike any country in the region, and its corruption is
therefore unnacceptable.

Corruption in Armenia is nothing less than treason and should be dealt with
as such.

Of course, when the officials who would prosecute the criminals are
themselves criminals, that means that there will be no prosecutions.

Dave Boyajian

From: "Hrant Sarkis Hrant Vartzbedian" <hrantv@dataxprs. com.eg>
Reply-To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does
business in America,
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:52:41 -0000

CORRUPTION.

Corruption is widespread in the World, Armenia is no special place
where it thrives, check out:
http://www.unodc. org/unodc/ en/corruption. html and the links that it
leads too,
You have to save and later read the .pdf file "The U.N. Anti-
Corruption Toolkit 3rd Edition, 2004" , it's found at:
http://www.unodc. org/pdf/crime/ corruption/ toolkit/corrupti on_un_anti_ c
orruption_toolkit_ sep04.pdf , check out page 508 of the report.

We as Armenians do not have to be ashamed of the level of corruption
within Armenia or associated with Armenian public figures, i agree
with Hagop, it is incomparable with Turkish official stand against
Armenia plus candid policy of its institutions, Army and
intelligence, what the Turks have been and are doing is a long term
plan to weaken Armenia and its demands, encourage immigration from
and make it dependable on Turkey as much as possible, opening the
border will make that dream come true for them but their Turkic pride
is one of the reasons it hasn't come true so far added to the threat
felt by some Armenian policy makers.

When Hetq reports corruption, it does so in the purpose of reporting
it, let us not dwell on their hidden agenda, the conspiracy theories
are endless, their reporting is based against corruption in Armenia,
it is where they are based and where they come from, let's call them
specialists in that field and not attack them because they are
thorough and dedicated to a single theme.

We can always get a different kind of reporting (mild) from other
sources, especially government supported sources, and it's the same
all around the world.

Overall I think Hetq is doing a marvelous job, exposing corruption
doesn't necessarily weaken the state, it awakens the people and makes
the corrupt more exposed, if those exposed are done wrong they can
always contest but if you will notice they rarely do but keep silent,
thinking maybe that the cloud will pass over.
http://www.hetq. am/eng/

In the case of the Prime Ministers brother for example, what more
would we need to support the allegations, a copy of the deed or title
would help of course, but in the News around us where do you find an
article or a claim thrown at you supported with documents, I guess
people don't have time to read, articles are read by headlines and
not the full body in most cases, some are propaganda, some
are "claims" but as they say "where there is smoke, there's a fire"

The situation in Armenia is no worse than it's neighbors, according
to "The 2005 Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index"
that you can find at www.transparency. org or on page 669 of the Time
Almanac 2007, we feel that way because we are extra sensetive to
anything that touches us or our country, maybe we feel it more
because of our small number.
Armenia is ranked 88th with a CPI Score of 2.9
Iceland 1st with 9.7
Canada 14th with 8.4
U.S. 17th with 7.6
Turkey at 69th with 3.5
Russia 128th with 2.4
Georgia 133rd with 2.3
Azerbaijan 137th with 2.2
Bangladesh & Chad with 1.7
Even if you don't trust those international sources it gives you an
insight to the situation.
A score of 5.0 is the number Transparency International considers the
borderline figure distinguishing countries that do or don't have a
serious corruption problem.
Also check out Foreign bribery stats and data at :
http://www.transpar ency.org/ policy_research/ surveys_indices/ bpi/bpi_20>06

It will get much worse before it gets better, corruption rots the
roots but it not a lost cause, eventually it will return to norm
levels as it did in so many countries before, Soviets were infested
and it passed along to us, it remained in the mentality of the ruling
class, anybody who has been in Armenia will tell you they felt and>smelt the corruption, but our country is indeed getting better and stronger.

Yours,

Hrant S. Vartzbedian

-- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Hagop Nalbandian" <hagopn@...>
wrote:

Mr. Rastegar,
I am impressed by the fact that they at least provide public
awareness, where mouthpiece venues do sweep under the rug.

I wish they would be less narrow in their focus. They make far too>much of what is becoming a slogan: â€œWe are our worst enemiesâ€
etc. The foreign investment fraud article that I posted a short
while ago is the perfect example where the author, which is typical
of the staff at Hedq, puts the focus only on domestic violations and
violators, barely scratches the issue of the original bad set of
laws, and never touches upon the true origins of such corrupting laws.

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4b. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,
Posted by: "aret333" aret333@yahoo.ca aret333
Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:57 pm (PST)
All governements in the world must have credibility in their policies and no corruption.

There is an American/Western campaign to trick Armenians in Armenia and the Diaspora into abandoning the the current and future governements.

Let's not forget Armenian Soviets who want Armenia to be governed from Moscow. Gone are the days when someone else paid for your rent and jobs were found in la-la land with no real effort.
These people have to wake up smell the coffee.

Armenians have and will to survive on their own without help from outside scoundrels.

Aret333@yahoo. ca

----- Original Message ----
From: David Boyajian <dboyajian@msn. com>
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:29:40 PM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,

Look, Armenia is not in a position where it can afford as much
corruption as it has.

Armenia is very poor.

It is blockaded on two sides, and has an unreliable neighbor on its northern
border who is allied with Turkey and Azerbaijan.

Armenia needs all the help from its Diaspora that it can get yet Armenia's
high level officials often do not care whether the Diaspora has confidence
in how its (Diaspora's) money is being spent.

The US can afford corruption. So can Turkey. And so can oil rich
Azerbaijan. Armenia can't.

We don't need high level Armenian officials and their relatives stealing
money from the people of Armenia, raping the country and its forests,
sending Armenian women abroad to be prostutes, and stealing money from the
Diaspora and then coming to America and buying up things that even American
born Armenians cannot afford.

Armenian is unlike any country in the region, and its corruption is
therefore unnacceptable.

Corruption in Armenia is nothing less than treason and should be dealt with
as such.

Of course, when the officials who would prosecute the criminals are
themselves criminals, that means that there will be no prosecutions.

Dave Boyajian

From: "Hrant Sarkis Hrant Vartzbedian" <hrantv@dataxprs. com.eg>
Reply-To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does
business in America,
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:52:41 -0000

CORRUPTION.

Corruption is widespread in the World, Armenia is no special place
where it thrives, check out:
http://www.unodc. org/unodc/ en/corruption. html and the links that it
leads too,
You have to save and later read the .pdf file "The U.N. Anti-
Corruption Toolkit 3rd Edition, 2004" , it's found at:
http://www.unodc. org/pdf/crime/ corruption/ toolkit/corrupti on_un_anti_ c
orruption_toolkit_ sep04.pdf , check out page 508 of the report.

We as Armenians do not have to be ashamed of the level of corruption
within Armenia or associated with Armenian public figures, i agree
with Hagop, it is incomparable with Turkish official stand against
Armenia plus candid policy of its institutions, Army and
intelligence, what the Turks have been and are doing is a long term
plan to weaken Armenia and its demands, encourage immigration from
and make it dependable on Turkey as much as possible, opening the
border will make that dream come true for them but their Turkic pride
is one of the reasons it hasn't come true so far added to the threat
felt by some Armenian policy makers.
When Hetq reports corruption, it does so in the purpose of reporting
it, let us not dwell on their hidden agenda, the conspiracy theories
are endless, their reporting is based against corruption in Armenia,
it is where they are based and where they come from, let's call them
specialists in that field and not attack them because they are
thorough and dedicated to a single theme.
We can always get a different kind of reporting (mild) from other
sources, especially government supported sources, and it's the same
all around the world.
Overall I think Hetq is doing a marvelous job, exposing corruption
doesn't necessarily weaken the state, it awakens the people and makes
the corrupt more exposed, if those exposed are done wrong they can
always contest but if you will notice they rarely do but keep silent,
thinking maybe that the cloud will pass over.
http://www.hetq. am/eng/
In the case of the Prime Ministers brother for example, what more
would we need to support the allegations, a copy of the deed or title
would help of course, but in the News around us where do you find an
article or a claim thrown at you supported with documents, I guess
people don't have time to read, articles are read by headlines and
not the full body in most cases, some are propaganda, some
are "claims" but as they say "where there is smoke, there's a fire"
The situation in Armenia is no worse than it's neighbors, according
to "The 2005 Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index"
that you can find at www.transparency. org or on page 669 of the Time
Almanac 2007, we feel that way because we are extra sensetive to
anything that touches us or our country, maybe we feel it more
because of our small number.
Armenia is ranked 88th with a CPI Score of 2.9
Iceland 1st with 9.7
Canada 14th with 8.4
U.S. 17th with 7.6
Turkey at 69th with 3.5
Russia 128th with 2.4
Georgia 133rd with 2.3
Azerbaijan 137th with 2.2
Bangladesh & Chad with 1.7
Even if you don't trust those international sources it gives you an
insight to the situation.

A score of 5.0 is the number Transparency International considers the
borderline figure distinguishing countries that do or don't have a
serious corruption problem.
Also check out Foreign bribery stats and data at :
http://www.transpar ency.org/ policy_research/ surveys_indices/ bpi/bpi_20
06
It will get much worse before it gets better, corruption rots the
roots but it not a lost cause, eventually it will return to norm
levels as it did in so many countries before, Soviets were infested
and it passed along to us, it remained in the mentality of the ruling
class, anybody who has been in Armenia will tell you they felt and
smelt the corruption, but our country is indeed getting better and
stronger.

Yours,

Hrant S. Vartzbedian

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Hagop Nalbandian" <hagopn@...>
wrote:

Mr. Rastegar,

I am impressed by the fact that they at least provide public
awareness, where mouthpiece venues do sweep under the rug.
I wish they would be less narrow in their focus. They make far too
much of what is becoming a slogan: â¤½We are our worst enemiesâ¤
etc. The foreign investment fraud article that I posted a short
while ago is the perfect example where the author, which is typical
of the staff at Hedq, puts the focus only on domestic violations and
violators, barely scratches the issue of the original bad set of
laws, and never touches upon the true origins of such corrupting laws.

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4c. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:59 pm (PST)
Amen to this response. I am bewildered how lenient Members of this List are toward their own kind who steals. Is there an awareness that destitute Armenian women are being sold in Persian Gulf Sheikdoms because some thug stole Armenian Treasury Money and is buying up villas in Los Angeles Area?!

And a bloody conflict is looming large for all Armenians?!

I am puzzled by such leniency towards such theft.

David Boyajian <dboyajian@msn. com> wrote:

Look, Armenia is not in a position where it can afford as much
corruption as it has.

Armenia is very poor.

It is blockaded on two sides, and has an unreliable neighbor on its northern
border who is allied with Turkey and Azerbaijan.

Armenia needs all the help from its Diaspora that it can get yet Armenia's
high level officials often do not care whether the Diaspora has confidence
in how its (Diaspora's) money is being spent.

The US can afford corruption. So can Turkey. And so can oil rich
Azerbaijan. Armenia can't.

We don't need high level Armenian officials and their relatives stealing
money from the people of Armenia, raping the country and its forests,
sending Armenian women abroad to be prostutes, and stealing money from the
Diaspora and then coming to America and buying up things that even American
born Armenians cannot afford.

Armenian is unlike any country in the region, and its corruption is
therefore unnacceptable.

Corruption in Armenia is nothing less than treason and should be dealt with
as such.

Of course, when the officials who would prosecute the criminals are
themselves criminals, that means that there will be no prosecutions.

Dave Boyajian

>From: "Hrant Sarkis Hrant Vartzbedian"
------------ --------- --------- ---

Reply-To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does
business in America,
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:52:41 -0000

CORRUPTION.

Corruption is widespread in the World, Armenia is no special place
where it thrives, check out:
http://www.unodc. org/unodc/ en/corruption. html and the links that it
leads too,
You have to save and later read the .pdf file "The U.N. Anti-
Corruption Toolkit 3rd Edition, 2004" , it's found at:
http://www.unodc. org/pdf/crime/ corruption/ toolkit/corrupti on_un_anti_ c
orruption_toolkit_ sep04.pdf , check out page 508 of the report.

We as Armenians do not have to be ashamed of the level of corruption
within Armenia or associated with Armenian public figures, i agree
with Hagop, it is incomparable with Turkish official stand against
Armenia plus candid policy of its institutions, Army and
intelligence, what the Turks have been and are doing is a long term
plan to weaken Armenia and its demands, encourage immigration from
and make it dependable on Turkey as much as possible, opening the
border will make that dream come true for them but their Turkic pride
is one of the reasons it hasn't come true so far added to the threat
felt by some Armenian policy makers.

When Hetq reports corruption, it does so in the purpose of reporting
it, let us not dwell on their hidden agenda, the conspiracy theories
are endless, their reporting is based against corruption in Armenia,
it is where they are based and where they come from, let's call them
specialists in that field and not attack them because they are
thorough and dedicated to a single theme.

We can always get a different kind of reporting (mild) from other
sources, especially government supported sources, and it's the same
all around the world.

Overall I think Hetq is doing a marvelous job, exposing corruption
doesn't necessarily weaken the state, it awakens the people and makes
the corrupt more exposed, if those exposed are done wrong they can
always contest but if you will notice they rarely do but keep silent,
thinking maybe that the cloud will pass over.
http://www.hetq. am/eng/
n the case of the Prime Ministers brother for example, what more
would we need to support the allegations, a copy of the deed or title
would help of course, but in the News around us where do you find an
article or a claim thrown at you supported with documents, I guess
people don't have time to read, articles are read by headlines and
not the full body in most cases, some are propaganda, some
are "claims" but as they say "where there is smoke, there's a fire"
The situation in Armenia is no worse than it's neighbors, according
to "The 2005 Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index"
that you can find at www.transparency. org or on page 669 of the Time
Almanac 2007, we feel that way because we are extra sensetive to
anything that touches us or our country, maybe we feel it more
because of our small number.
Armenia is ranked 88th with a CPI Score of 2.9
Iceland 1st with 9.7
Canada 14th with 8.4
U.S. 17th with 7.6
Turkey at 69th with 3.5
Russia 128th with 2.4
Georgia 133rd with 2.3
Azerbaijan 137th with 2.2
Bangladesh & Chad with 1.7
Even if you don't trust those international sources it gives you an
insight to the situation.
A score of 5.0 is the number Transparency International considers the
borderline figure distinguishing countries that do or don't have a
serious corruption problem.
Also check out Foreign bribery stats and data at :
http://www.transpar ency.org/ policy_research/ surveys_indices/ bpi/bpi_2006
It will get much worse before it gets better, corruption rots the
roots but it not a lost cause, eventually it will return to norm
levels as it did in so many countries before, Soviets were infested
and it passed along to us, it remained in the mentality of the ruling
class, anybody who has been in Armenia will tell you they felt and
smelt the corruption, but our country is indeed getting better andstronger.

Yours,

Hrant S. Vartzbedian

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Hagop Nalbandian"
wrote:

Mr. Rastegar,

I am impressed by the fact that they at least provide public
awareness, where mouthpiece venues do sweep under the rug.
I wish they would be less narrow in their focus. They make far too
much of what is becoming a slogan: â€œWe are our worst enemiesâ€
etc. The foreign investment fraud article that I posted a short
while ago is the perfect example where the author, which is typical
of the staff at Hedq, puts the focus only on domestic violations and
laws, and never touches upon the true origins of such corrupting laws.
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4d. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,
Posted by: "Dennis R. Papazian" papazian@umich.edu
Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:59 pm (PST)
You are entirely right on this one.

dp

David Boyajian wrote:

Look, Armenia is not in a position where it can afford as much
corruption as it has.

Armenia is very poor.

It is blockaded on two sides, and has an unreliable neighbor on its northern
border who is allied with Turkey and Azerbaijan.

Armenia needs all the help from its Diaspora that it can get yet Armenia's
high level officials often do not care whether the Diaspora has confidence
in how its (Diaspora's) money is being spent.

The US can afford corruption. So can Turkey. And so can oil rich
Azerbaijan. Armenia can't.

We don't need high level Armenian officials and their relatives stealing
money from the people of Armenia, raping the country and its forests,
sending Armenian women abroad to be prostutes, and stealing money from the
Diaspora and then coming to America and buying up things that even American
born Armenians cannot afford.
Armenian is unlike any country in the region, and its corruption is
therefore unnacceptable.

Corruption in Armenia is nothing less than treason and should be dealt with >as such.

Of course, when the officials who would prosecute the criminals are
themselves criminals, that means that there will be no prosecutions.

Dave Boyajian

From: "Hrant Sarkis Hrant Vartzbedian" <hrantv@dataxprs. com.eg>
Reply-To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does
business in America,
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:52:41 -0000

CORRUPTION.

Corruption is widespread in the World, Armenia is no special place
where it thrives, check out:
http://www.unodc. org/unodc/ en/corruption. html and the links that it
leads too,
You have to save and later read the .pdf file "The U.N. Anti-
Corruption Toolkit 3rd Edition, 2004" , it's found at:
http://www.unodc. org/pdf/crime/ corruption/ toolkit/corrupti on_un_anti_ c
orruption_ toolkit_sep04. pdf , check out page 508 of the report.

We as Armenians do not have to be ashamed of the level of corruption
within Armenia or associated with Armenian public figures, i agree
with Hagop, it is incomparable with Turkish official stand against
Armenia plus candid policy of its institutions, Army and
intelligence, what the Turks have been and are doing is a long term
plan to weaken Armenia and its demands, encourage immigration from
and make it dependable on Turkey as much as possible, opening the
border will make that dream come true for them but their Turkic pride
is one of the reasons it hasn't come true so far added to the threat
felt by some Armenian policy makers.

When Hetq reports corruption, it does so in the purpose of reporting
it, let us not dwell on their hidden agenda, the conspiracy theories
are endless, their reporting is based against corruption in Armenia,
it is where they are based and where they come from, let's call them
specialists in that field and not attack them because they are
thorough and dedicated to a single theme.
We can always get a different kind of reporting (mild) from other
sources, especially government supported sources, and it's the same
all around the world.
Overall I think Hetq is doing a marvelous job, exposing corruption
doesn't necessarily weaken the state, it awakens the people and makes
the corrupt more exposed, if those exposed are done wrong they can
always contest but if you will notice they rarely do but keep silent,
thinking maybe that the cloud will pass over.
http://www.hetq. am/eng/
In the case of the Prime Ministers brother for example, what more
would we need to support the allegations, a copy of the deed or title
would help of course, but in the News around us where do you find an
article or a claim thrown at you supported with documents, I guess
people don't have time to read, articles are read by headlines and
not the full body in most cases, some are propaganda, some
are "claims" but as they say "where there is smoke, there's a fire"
The situation in Armenia is no worse than it's neighbors, according
to "The 2005 Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index"
that you can find at www.transparency. org or on page 669 of the Time
Almanac 2007, we feel that way because we are extra sensetive to
anything that touches us or our country, maybe we feel it more
because of our small number.
Armenia is ranked 88th with a CPI Score of 2.9
Iceland 1st with 9.7
Canada 14th with 8.4
U.S. 17th with 7.6
Turkey at 69th with 3.5
Russia 128th with 2.4
Georgia 133rd with 2.3
Azerbaijan 137th with 2.2
Bangladesh & Chad with 1.7
Even if you don't trust those international sources it gives you an
insight to the situation.
A score of 5.0 is the number Transparency International considers the
borderline figure distinguishing countries that do or don't have a
serious corruption problem.
Also check out Foreign bribery stats and data at :
http://www.transpar ency.org/ policy_research/ surveys_indices/ bpi/bpi_2006

It will get much worse before it gets better, corruption rots the
roots but it not a lost cause, eventually it will return to norm
levels as it did in so many countries before, Soviets were infested
and it passed along to us, it remained in the mentality of the ruling
class, anybody who has been in Armenia will tell you they felt and
smelt the corruption, but our country is indeed getting better and
stronger.
Yours,

Hrant S. Vartzbedian

- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Hagop Nalbandian" <hagopn@...>
wrote:

Mr. Rastegar,

I am impressed by the fact that they at least provide public

awareness, where mouthpiece venues do sweep under the rug.
I wish they would be less narrow in their focus. They make far too
much of what is becoming a slogan: âEURoeWe are our worst enemiesâEUR?
etc. The foreign investment fraud article that I posted a short
while ago is the perfect example where the author, which is typical
of the staff at Hedq, puts the focus only on domestic violations and
violators, barely scratches the issue of the original bad set of
laws, and never touches upon the true origins of such corrupting laws.

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4e. Re: [TheArmenianGroup] Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister'
Posted by: "Dennis R. Papazian" papazian@umich.edu
Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:59 pm (PST)
Yes, just like in 1918.

dp

aret333 wrote:

All governements in the world must have credibility in their policies
and no corruption.

There is an American/Western campaign to trick Armenians in Armenia
and the Diaspora into abandoning the the current and future governements.

Let's not forget Armenian Soviets who want Armenia to be governed from
Moscow. Gone are the days when someone else paid for your rent and
jobs were found in la-la land with no real effort.
These people have to wake up smell the coffee.

Armenians have and will to survive on their own without help from
outside scoundrels.

Aret333@yahoo. ca <Aret333@yahoo. ca>

----- Original Message ----
From: David Boyajian <dboyajian@msn. com>
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:29:40 PM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does
business in America,

Look, Armenia is not in a position where it can afford as much
corruption as it has.
Armenia is very poor.

It is blockaded on two sides, and has an unreliable neighbor on its
northern
border who is allied with Turkey and Azerbaijan.
Armenia needs all the help from its Diaspora that it can get yet
Armenia's high level officials often do not care whether the Diaspora has
confidence in how its (Diaspora's) money is being spent.
The US can afford corruption. So can Turkey. And so can oil rich
Azerbaijan. Armenia can't.
We don't need high level Armenian officials and their relatives stealing
money from the people of Armenia, raping the country and its forests,
sending Armenian women abroad to be prostutes, and stealing money from the
Diaspora and then coming to America and buying up things that even American
born Armenians cannot afford.
Armenian is unlike any country in the region, and its corruption is
therefore unnacceptable.
Corruption in Armenia is nothing less than treason and should be dealt
with as such. Of course, when the officials who would prosecute the criminals are
themselves criminals, that means that there will be no prosecutions.

Dave Boyajian

From: "Hrant Sarkis Hrant Vartzbedian" <hrantv@dataxprs. com.eg>
Reply-To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does
business in America,
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:52:41 -0000

CORRUPTION.
Corruption is widespread in the World, Armenia is no special place
where it thrives, check out:
http://www.unodc. org/unodc/ en/corruption. html and the links that it
leads too,
You have to save and later read the .pdf file "The U.N. Anti-
Corruption Toolkit 3rd Edition, 2004" , it's found at:
http://www.unodc. org/pdf/crime/ corruption/ toolkit/corrupti on_un_anti_ c
orruption_toolkit_ sep04.pdf , check out page 508 of the report.
We as Armenians do not have to be ashamed of the level of corruption
within Armenia or associated with Armenian public figures, i agree
with Hagop, it is incomparable with Turkish official stand against
Armenia plus candid policy of its institutions, Army and
intelligence, what the Turks have been and are doing is a long term
plan to weaken Armenia and its demands, encourage immigration from
and make it dependable on Turkey as much as possible, opening the
border will make that dream come true for them but their Turkic pride
is one of the reasons it hasn't come true so far added to the threat
felt by some Armenian policy makers.
When Hetq reports corruption, it does so in the purpose of reporting
it, let us not dwell on their hidden agenda, the conspiracy theories
are endless, their reporting is based against corruption in Armenia,
it is where they are based and where they come from, let's call them
specialists in that field and not attack them because they are
thorough and dedicated to a single theme.
We can always get a different kind of reporting (mild) from other
sources, especially government supported sources, and it's the same
all around the world.
Overall I think Hetq is doing a marvelous job, exposing corruption
doesn't necessarily weaken the state, it awakens the people and makes
the corrupt more exposed, if those exposed are done wrong they can
thinking maybe that the cloud will pass over.
http://www.hetq. am/eng/
In the case of the Prime Ministers brother for example, what more
would we need to support the allegations, a copy of the deed or title
would help of course, but in the News around us where do you find an
article or a claim thrown at you supported with documents, I guess
people don't have time to read, articles are read by headlines and
not the full body in most cases, some are propaganda, some
The situation in Armenia is no worse than it's neighbors, according
to "The 2005 Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index"
that you can find at www.transparency. org
http://www.transpar ency.org/> or on page 669 of the Time
Almanac 2007, we feel that way because we are extra sensetive to
anything that touches us or our country, maybe we feel it more
because of our small number.
Armenia is ranked 88th with a CPI Score of 2.9
Iceland 1st with 9.7
Canada 14th with 8.4
U.S. 17th with 7.6
Turkey at 69th with 3.5
Russia 128th with 2.4
Georgia 133rd with 2.3
Azerbaijan 137th with 2.2
Bangladesh & Chad with 1.7
Even if you don't trust those international sources it gives you an
insight to the situation.

A score of 5.0 is the number Transparency International considers the
borderline figure distinguishing countries that do or don't have a
serious corruption problem.Also check out Foreign bribery stats and data at :
http://www.transpar ency.org/ policy_research/ surveys_indices/ bpi/bpi_2006

It will get much worse before it gets better, corruption rots the
roots but it not a lost cause, eventually it will return to norm
levels as it did in so many countries before, Soviets were infested
and it passed along to us, it remained in the mentality of the ruling
class, anybody who has been in Armenia will tell you they felt and
smelt the corruption, but our country is indeed getting better and
stronger.

Yours,

Hrant S. Vartzbedian

- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Hagop Nalbandian" <hagopn@...>
wrote:

Mr. Rastegar,
I am impressed by the fact that they at least provide public
awareness, where mouthpiece venues do sweep under the rug.
I wish they would be less narrow in their focus. They make far too
much of what is becoming a slogan: â¤½We are our worst enemiesâ¤
etc. The foreign investment fraud article that I posted a short
while ago is the perfect example where the author, which is typical
of the staff at Hedq, puts the focus only on domestic violations and
violators, barely scratches the issue of the original bad set of
laws, and never touches upon the true origins of such corrupting laws.
Church of America (Eastern), addresses hundreds of faithful and
families who filled St. Vartan Cathedral in New York City for badarak on
Easter Sunday, April 8, 2007.

PHOTO CAPTION (3): Children peak around the corner in New York City's St.
Vartan Cathedral to watch the celebration of the Divine Liturgy during a
packed service on Easter Sunday, April 8, 2007. (photo by Tony Savino)

PHOTO CAPTION (4): The faithful kiss the Archbishop Barsamian's hand cross
as he leads a procession through St. Vartan Cathedral during Easter Sunday,
April 8, 2007. (photo by Tony Savino)

PHOTO CAPTION (5): Flanked by Bobbye Acopian and her children and
grandchildren, Archbishop Barsamian performs a Home Blessing service on the
St. Vartan Cathedral plaza following Easter Sunday services on April 8,
2007. (photo by Tony Savino)

PHOTO CAPTION (6): On Easter, the Primate releases one of 12 doves as part
of the traditional ceremony representing Christ sending his 12 Apostles out
into the world. (photo by Tony Savino)

PHOTO CAPTION (7): After a brief flight, one of the 12 doves released
following Easter services at St. Vartan Cathedral in New York City, perches
on the shoulder of Archbishop Barsamian, Primate of the Eastern Diocese.
(photo by Tony Savino)

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1. iTWire.com.au - Google and Holocaust Museum create Darfur genocide r From: sebouhz_tashjian
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3a. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America, From: boomba
3b. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America, From: Dennis R. Papazian
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1. iTWire.com.au - Google and Holocaust Museum create Darfur genocide r
Posted by: "sebouhz_tashjian" sebouhz_tashjian@yahoo.com.au sebouhz_tashjian
Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:30 am (PST)
"What about Armenians to ask google to create a visual record
in 'Google Earth' for the Armenian Genocide as well?

Sebouh

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Google and Holocaust Museum create Darfur genocide record

By Stan Beer

Wednesday, 11 April 2007

Google has joined forces with the US Holocaust Memorial Museum to
create a visual record of the attrocities that began in the Darfur
region of Sudan in 2003. The Crisis in Darfur project has assembled
photographs, data and eyewitness testimony€ ¦’·from a number of sources
that are brought together for the first time in Google Earth.

The ethnic based conflict has seen the Government of Sudan and
militia forces ravage African villagers, resulting in an estimated 2
million deaths and widespread destruction of more than 100,000 homes,
schools and mosques. Google Earth enables users to zoom into the
region to view more than 1,600 damaged and destroyed villages,
providing visual, compelling evidence of the scope of destruction.

Prior to the genocide the total population of Darfur was 6 million.

Crisis in Darfur content comes from a range of sources€ ¦’·the U.S. State
Department, non-governmental organizations, the United Nations,
individual photographers, and the Museum.

"At Google, we believe technology can be a catalyst for education and
action," said Elliot Schrage, Google Vice President, Global
Communications and Public Affairs. "Crisis in Darfur will enable
Google Earth users to visualize and learn about the destruction in
Darfur as never before and join the Museum's efforts in responding to
this continuing international catastrophe. "

The Museum has also announced the creation of a similar mapping
project on Holocaust history available on the Museum's website:
www.ushmm.org/ googleearth. The Holocaust took place across the entire
European continent, and for all of Europe's Jews, as well as other
victims of Nazism, such as Gypsies, geography played a major role in
determining their fate. The Museum is using Google Earth to map key
Holocaust sites with historic content from its collections. Further
information on Holocaust-era sites can be accessed through the
Museum's online Holocaust Encyclopedia at www.ushmm.org.

To find Crisis in Darfur on Google Earth, users must download the
Google Earth application from http://earth. google.com. Once
downloaded, users will find Crisis in Darfur by flying over Africa.
Information on the Museum's Genocide Prevention Mapping Initiative
and the Holocaust mapping layer can be accessed from the Museum's Web
site at www.ushmm.org/ googleearth.

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2. (Jabarian's column) -- The Achilles Heal of Elie Wiesel’s “Forgivene
Posted by: "Appo Jabarian" appojabarian@yahoo.com appojabarian
Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:36 am (PST)
The Achilles Heal of Elie Wiesel€ ¦’²s € ¦’³Forgiveness€ ¦’´ Ploy

Friday April 13, 2007

By Appo Jabarian
Executive Publisher/Managing Editor
USA Armenian Life Magazine
Hye Kiank Armenian Weekly

In an appeal signed by 53 Nobel Prize Winners, the
Elie Wiesel Foundation For Humanity on April 9 called
for € ¦’³tolerance, contact and cooperation between Turks
and Armenians.€ ¦’´

The appeal urged: € ¦’³We, the undersigned Nobel
laureates, issue this appeal directly to the peoples
of Turkey and Armenia. Mindful of the sacrifice paid
by Hrant Dink, the ethnic Armenian editor of Agos in
Turkey, who was assassinated on January 19, 2007, and
whose death was mourned by both Turks and Armenians,
we believe that the best way to pay tribute to Mr.
Dink is through service to his life's work
safeguarding freedom of expression and fostering
reconciliation between Turks and Armenians.€ ¦’´

The appeal also recommends a four-step course of
action: 1) Open the Turkish-Armenian border; 2)
Generate confidence through civil society cooperation;
3) Improve official contacts; 4) Allow basic freedoms.

There is one sentence in the appeal, however, that
totally negates all the others. While the laureates
make a number of constructive recommendations for both
Turkey and Armenia, they deal the Armenians, the
victims of the Armenian Genocide at the hands of
Turkey (1915-1923) a fatal injustice. They misguidedly
urge that the € ¦’³Treaties between the two countries
(Armenia and Turkey) recognize existing borders.€ ¦’´

There are many similarities but also many differences
between the Jewish Holocaust and the Armenian
Genocide. One of the key differences is that the
indigenous Germans destroyed the Jews, and therefore
reconciliation did not involve territorial issues.
Jewish victims received recognition, received
apologies, received pensions, and even reclaimed their
insurance benefits and art treasures. In contrast to
this, it was the invader and occupier Turk that killed
the indigenous Armenians through waves of government
instigated pogroms and orgies of rape, murder, and
pillaging.

So, how could the noble-minded Nobel Laureates fathom
the idea of letting genocidal Turkey get away with the
murder of the Armenians and the confiscation of their
lands?

By attempting to sanitize the genocidal Turkish
state€ ¦’²s usurpation of the lands of Western Armenia,
the Nobel laureates are rendering a great injustice to
the Armenian victims. One may question whether they
are acting innocently or whether there are ulterior
motives involved. The perpetuation of Western
Armenia€ ¦’²s occupation by the descendants of those who
masterminded and executed the Armenian Genocide is a
gross ethical and moral injustice. One may also ask if
they are engaged in a new political push-pull to serve
Turkey. In any case, this newest political theatre is
reminiscent of the infamous Turkish-Armenian
Reconciliation Commission (TARC). The now-defunct TARC
was a Turkish ploy. It had pursued the aim of
convincing the Armenians to let bygones be bygones and
to be happy with just insincere words of contrition
that they promised to utter sometime in the future.
War criminals and those who benefited from their
illegal acts should not be let off the hook so
Wholesale ethnic cleansing must never be accepted as a
way of life on planet earth. The perpetrators and
their torch-carriers in power must pay a price today.
Simple recognition of the Genocide by Turkey is a good
step, but it is not enough.

The Turkish press believes that the thoughts I am
expressing here belong to the radical fringe of
Armenian society. They are absolutely mistaken. The
thoughts expressed here are as mainstream as one can
get.

Therefore, we thank Mr. Wiesel and his friends, and
remind them that their appeal is sending the wrong
signals to the rest of the world. Allowing the
perpetrator to keep the loot will no doubt encourage
more genocides as a way to resolve issues. Like
Cannibalism and slavery, Genocide must be removed from
our way of life on earth.

But perhaps I am just dreaming that someday soon the
cycle of genocides will be cast aside into the ash
heap of history.

The fact remain that 92 years after the Armenian
Genocide, the unabated cycle of mass murders continue
to cause irreparable damage to humanity as a whole.
Cambodia, Rwanda, and now Darfur are living proofs
that humanity is still stuck in barbarism.

If our society continues to ignore gross human rights
violations and ethnic cleansing schemes, than the
genocidal wave will one day undoubtedly usher in
Omnicide! What will remain of human civilization then?

Our society must not reward murderers. It should
punish them by taking away from them the loot that
they have misappropriated from the innocent victims.

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3a. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,
Posted by: "boomba" mediterane@bigpond.com bglo689
Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:37 am (PST)
well said Nader.Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Nader Rastegar
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,

Amen to this response. I am bewildered how lenient Members of this List are toward their own kind who steals. Is there an awareness that destitute Armenian women are being sold in Persian Gulf Sheikdoms because some thug stole Armenian Treasury Money and is buying up villas in Los Angeles Area?!

And a bloody conflict is looming large for all Armenians?!

I am puzzled by such leniency towards such theft.

David Boyajian <dboyajian@msn. com> wrote:

Look, Armenia is not in a position where it can afford as much
corruption as it has.

Armenia is very poor.

It is blockaded on two sides, and has an unreliable neighbor on its northern
border who is allied with Turkey and Azerbaijan.

Armenia needs all the help from its Diaspora that it can get yet Armenia's
high level officials often do not care whether the Diaspora has confidence
in how its (Diaspora's) money is being spent.

The US can afford corruption. So can Turkey. And so can oil rich
Azerbaijan. Armenia can't.

We don't need high level Armenian officials and their relatives stealing
money from the people of Armenia, raping the country and its forests,
sending Armenian women abroad to be prostutes, and stealing money from the
Diaspora and then coming to America and buying up things that even American
born Armenians cannot afford.

Armenian is unlike any country in the region, and its corruption is
therefore unnacceptable.

Corruption in Armenia is nothing less than treason and should be dealt with
as such.

Of course, when the officials who would prosecute the criminals are
themselves criminals, that means that there will be no prosecutions.

Dave Boyajian

From: "Hrant Sarkis Hrant Vartzbedian"
Reply-To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does
business in America,
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:52:41 -0000

CORRUPTION.

Corruption is widespread in the World, Armenia is no special place
where it thrives, check out:
http://www.unodc. org/unodc/ en/corruption. html and the links that it
leads too,
You have to save and later read the .pdf file "The U.N. Anti-
Corruption Toolkit 3rd Edition, 2004" , it's found at:
http://www.unodc. org/pdf/crime/ corruption/ toolkit/corrupti on_un_anti_ c
orruption_toolkit_ sep04.pdf , check out page 508 of the report.

We as Armenians do not have to be ashamed of the level of corruption
within Armenia or associated with Armenian public figures, i agree
with Hagop, it is incomparable with Turkish official stand against
Armenia plus candid policy of its institutions, Army and
intelligence, what the Turks have been and are doing is a long term
plan to weaken Armenia and its demands, encourage immigration from
and make it dependable on Turkey as much as possible, opening the
border will make that dream come true for them but their Turkic pride
is one of the reasons it hasn't come true so far added to the threat
felt by some Armenian policy makers.

When Hetq reports corruption, it does so in the purpose of reporting
it, let us not dwell on their hidden agenda, the conspiracy theories
are endless, their reporting is based against corruption in Armenia,
it is where they are based and where they come from, let's call them
specialists in that field and not attack them because they are
thorough and dedicated to a single theme.
We can always get a different kind of reporting (mild) from other
sources, especially government supported sources, and it's the same
all around the world.
Overall I think Hetq is doing a marvelous job, exposing corruption
doesn't necessarily weaken the state, it awakens the people and makes
the corrupt more exposed, if those exposed are done wrong they can
always contest but if you will notice they rarely do but keep silent,
thinking maybe that the cloud will pass over.
http://www.hetq. am/eng/
In the case of the Prime Ministers brother for example, what more
would we need to support the allegations, a copy of the deed or titlewould help of course, but in the News around us where do you find an
article or a claim thrown at you supported with documents, I guess
people don't have time to read, articles are read by headlines and
not the full body in most cases, some are propaganda, some
are "claims" but as they say "where there is smoke, there's a fire"
The situation in Armenia is no worse than it's neighbors, according
to "The 2005 Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index"
that you can find at www.transparency. org or on page 669 of the Time
Almanac 2007, we feel that way because we are extra sensetive to
anything that touches us or our country, maybe we feel it more
because of our small number.
Armenia is ranked 88th with a CPI Score of 2.9
Iceland 1st with 9.7
Canada 14th with 8.4
U.S. 17th with 7.6
Turkey at 69th with 3.5
Russia 128th with 2.4
Georgia 133rd with 2.3
Azerbaijan 137th with 2.2
Bangladesh & Chad with 1.7
Even if you don't trust those international sources it gives you an
insight to the situation.
A score of 5.0 is the number Transparency International considers the
borderline figure distinguishing countries that do or don't have a
serious corruption problem.
Also check out Foreign bribery stats and data at :
http://www.transpar ency.org/ policy_research/ surveys_indices/ bpi/bpi_2006
It will get much worse before it gets better, corruption rots the
roots but it not a lost cause, eventually it will return to norm
levels as it did in so many countries before, Soviets were infested
and it passed along to us, it remained in the mentality of the ruling
class, anybody who has been in Armenia will tell you they felt and
smelt the corruption, but our country is indeed getting better and
stronger.

Yours,

Hrant S. Vartzbedian

-- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Hagop Nalbandian"
wrote:

Mr. Rastegar,

I am impressed by the fact that they at least provide public
awareness, where mouthpiece venues do sweep under the rug.

I wish they would be less narrow in their focus. They make far too
much of what is becoming a slogan: € ¦â?oWe are our worst enemies€ ¦â?€ ¦’½
etc. The foreign investment fraud article that I posted a short
while ago is the perfect example where the author, which is typical
of the staff at Hedq, puts the focus only on domestic violations and
violators, barely scratches the issue of the original bad set of
laws, and never touches upon the true origins of such corrupting laws.

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3b. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,
Posted by: "Dennis R. Papazian" papazian@umich.edu
Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:15 am (PST)
Only people with low moral standards would be lenient. It is disgusting.

Dennis

boomba wrote:

well said Nader.Alex

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Nader Rastegar <ispahan1900@ yahoo.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother
does business in America,

Amen to this response. I am bewildered how lenient Members of
this List are toward their own kind who steals. Is there an
awareness that destitute Armenian women are being sold in Persian
Gulf Sheikdoms because some thug stole Armenian Treasury Money and
is buying up villas in Los Angeles Area?!
And a bloody conflict is looming large for all Armenians?!
I am puzzled by such leniency towards such theft.
*/David Boyajian <dboyajian@msn. com>/* wrote:
Look, Armenia is not in a position where it can afford as
much corruption as it has.

Armenia is very poor.
It is blockaded on two sides, and has an unreliable neighbor
on its northern
border who is allied with Turkey and Azerbaijan.
Armenia needs all the help from its Diaspora that it can get
yet Armenia's
high level officials often do not care whether the Diaspora
has confidence
in how its (Diaspora's) money is being spent.
The US can afford corruption. So can Turkey. And so can oil rich
Azerbaijan. Armenia can't.
We don't need high level Armenian officials and their
relatives stealing money from the people of Armenia, raping the country and its
forests, sending Armenian women abroad to be prostutes, and stealing
money from the Diaspora and then coming to America and buying up things that
even American born Armenians cannot afford.
Armenian is unlike any country in the region, and its corruption is
therefore unnacceptable.Corruption in Armenia is nothing less than treason and should
be dealt with as such.
Of course, when the officials who would prosecute the criminals are
themselves criminals, that means that there will be no prosecutions.
Dave Boyajian

From: "Hrant Sarkis Hrant Vartzbedian"
Reply-To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's
brother does
business in America,
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:52:41 -0000

CORRUPTION.

Corruption is widespread in the World, Armenia is no special place
where it thrives, check out:
http://www.unodc. org/unodc/ en/corruption. html and the links
that it
leads too,
You have to save and later read the .pdf file "The U.N. Anti-
Corruption Toolkit 3rd Edition, 2004" , it's found at:
http://www.unodc. org/pdf/crime/ corruption/ toolkit/corrupti on_un_anti_ c
orruption_toolkit_ sep04.pdf , check out page 508 of the report.
We as Armenians do not have to be ashamed of the level of corruption
within Armenia or associated with Armenian public figures, i agree
with Hagop, it is incomparable with Turkish official stand
against Armenia plus candid policy of its institutions, Army and
intelligence, what the Turks have been and are doing is a
long term plan to weaken Armenia and its demands, encourage immigration
from and make it dependable on Turkey as much as possible, opening the
border will make that dream come true for them but their
Turkic pride is one of the reasons it hasn't come true so far added to the
threat
felt by some Armenian policy makers.

When Hetq reports corruption, it does so in the purpose of
reporting it, let us not dwell on their hidden agenda, the conspiracy
theories are endless, their reporting is based against corruption in
Armenia,it is where they are based and where they come from, let's
call them specialists in that field and not attack them because they are
thorough and dedicated to a single theme.
We can always get a different kind of reporting (mild) from other
sources, especially government supported sources, and it's the same
all around the world.
Overall I think Hetq is doing a marvelous job, exposing corruption
doesn't necessarily weaken the state, it awakens the people and makes
the corrupt more exposed, if those exposed are done wrong they can
always contest but if you will notice they rarely do but keep silent,
thinking maybe that the cloud will pass over.
http://www.hetq. am/eng/

In the case of the Prime Ministers brother for example, what more
would we need to support the allegations, a copy of the deed
or title would help of course, but in the News around us where do you
find an article or a claim thrown at you supported with documents, I
guess people don't have time to read, articles are read by
headlines and
not the full body in most cases, some are propaganda, some
are "claims" but as they say "where there is smoke, there's a
fire"
The situation in Armenia is no worse than it's neighbors,
according
to "The 2005 Transparency International Corruption
Perceptions Index"
that you can find at www.transparency. org or on page 669 of
the Time
Almanac 2007, we feel that way because we are extra sensetive to
anything that touches us or our country, maybe we feel it more
because of our small number.
Armenia is ranked 88th with a CPI Score of 2.9
Iceland 1st with 9.7
Canada 14th with 8.4
U.S. 17th with 7.6
Turkey at 69th with 3.5
Russia 128th with 2.4
Georgia 133rd with 2.3
Azerbaijan 137th with 2.2
Bangladesh & Chad with 1.7
Even if you don't trust those international sources it gives
you an
insight to the situation.
A score of 5.0 is the number Transparency International considers the
borderline figure distinguishing countries that do or don't
have a serious corruption problem.Also check out Foreign bribery stats and data at :
http://www.transpar ency.org/ policy_research/ surveys_indices/ bpi/bpi_2006
It will get much worse before it gets better, corruption rots the
roots but it not a lost cause, eventually it will return to norm
levels as it did in so many countries before, Soviets were
infested
and it passed along to us, it remained in the mentality of
the ruling
class, anybody who has been in Armenia will tell you they
felt and
smelt the corruption, but our country is indeed getting
better and
stronger.

Yours,

Hrant S. Vartzbedian

-- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Hagop Nalbandian"
wrote:

Mr. Rastegar,

I am impressed by the fact that they at least provide public
awareness, where mouthpiece venues do sweep under the rug.
I wish they would be less narrow in their focus. They make
far too much of what is becoming a slogan: € ¦âEURoeWe are our worst
enemies€ ¦âEUR?
etc. The foreign investment fraud article that I posted a short
while ago is the perfect example where the author, which is
typical
of the staff at Hedq, puts the focus only on domestic
violations and violators, barely scratches the issue of the original bad set of
laws, and never touches upon the true origins of such
corrupting laws.

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3c. Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,
Posted by: "Artin Boghossian" artinb@rogers.com artinboghossian
Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:40 pm (PST)
Very well said David, Nader, Alex and Dennis and agreed. Now, give us some hope by way of discussion - how do we go about cleaning the mess? General guidelines along which one can act would be sufficient.

Artin
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis R. Papazian
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,

Only people with low moral standards would be lenient. It is disgusting.

Dennis

boomba wrote:
well said Nader.Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Nader Rastegar
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,

Amen to this response. I am bewildered how lenient Members of this List are toward their own kind who steals. Is there an awareness that destitute Armenian women are being sold in Persian Gulf Sheikdoms because some thug stole Armenian Treasury Money and is buying up villas in Los Angeles Area?!

And a bloody conflict is looming large for all Armenians?!

I am puzzled by such leniency towards such theft.

David Boyajian <dboyajian@msn. com> wrote:

Look, Armenia is not in a position where it can afford as much
corruption as it has.

Armenia is very poor.

It is blockaded on two sides, and has an unreliable neighbor on its northern
border who is allied with Turkey and Azerbaijan.

Armenia needs all the help from its Diaspora that it can get yet Armenia's
high level officials often do not care whether the Diaspora has confidence
in how its (Diaspora's) money is being spent.

The US can afford corruption. So can Turkey. And so can oil rich
Azerbaijan. Armenia can't.

We don't need high level Armenian officials and their relatives stealing
money from the people of Armenia, raping the country and its forests,
sending Armenian women abroad to be prostutes, and stealing money from the
Diaspora and then coming to America and buying up things that even American
born Armenians cannot afford.

Armenian is unlike any country in the region, and its corruption is
therefore unnacceptable.

Corruption in Armenia is nothing less than treason and should be dealt with
as such.

Of course, when the officials who would prosecute the criminals are
themselves criminals, that means that there will be no prosecutions.

Dave Boyajian

From: "Hrant Sarkis Hrant Vartzbedian"
Reply-To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does
business in America,
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:52:41 -0000

CORRUPTION.

Corruption is widespread in the World, Armenia is no special place
where it thrives, check out:
http://www.unodc. org/unodc/ en/corruption. html and the links that it
leads too,
You have to save and later read the .pdf file "The U.N. Anti-
Corruption Toolkit 3rd Edition, 2004" , it's found at:
http://www.unodc. org/pdf/crime/ corruption/ toolkit/corrupti on_un_anti_ c
orruption_toolkit_ sep04.pdf , check out page 508 of the report.

We as Armenians do not have to be ashamed of the level of corruption
within Armenia or associated with Armenian public figures, i agree
with Hagop, it is incomparable with Turkish official stand against
Armenia plus candid policy of its institutions, Army and
intelligence, what the Turks have been and are doing is a long term
plan to weaken Armenia and its demands, encourage immigration from
and make it dependable on Turkey as much as possible, opening the
border will make that dream come true for them but their Turkic pride
is one of the reasons it hasn't come true so far added to the threat
felt by some Armenian policy makers.

When Hetq reports corruption, it does so in the purpose of reporting
it, let us not dwell on their hidden agenda, the conspiracy theories
are endless, their reporting is based against corruption in Armenia,
it is where they are based and where they come from, let's call them
specialists in that field and not attack them because they are
thorough and dedicated to a single theme.

We can always get a different kind of reporting (mild) from other
sources, especially government supported sources, and it's the same
all around the world.
Overall I think Hetq is doing a marvelous job, exposing corruption
doesn't necessarily weaken the state, it awakens the people and makes
the corrupt more exposed, if those exposed are done wrong they can
always contest but if you will notice they rarely do but keep silent,
thinking maybe that the cloud will pass over.
http://www.hetq. am/eng/

In the case of the Prime Ministers brother for example, what more
would we need to support the allegations, a copy of the deed or title
would help of course, but in the News around us where do you find an
article or a claim thrown at you supported with documents, I guess
people don't have time to read, articles are read by headlines and
not the full body in most cases, some are propaganda, some
are "claims" but as they say "where there is smoke, there's a fire"
The situation in Armenia is no worse than it's neighbors, according
to "The 2005 Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index"
that you can find at www.transparency. org or on page 669 of the Time
Almanac 2007, we feel that way because we are extra sensetive to
anything that touches us or our country, maybe we feel it more
because of our small number.
Armenia is ranked 88th with a CPI Score of 2.9
Iceland 1st with 9.7
Canada 14th with 8.4
U.S. 17th with 7.6
Turkey at 69th with 3.5
Russia 128th with 2.4
Georgia 133rd with 2.3
Azerbaijan 137th with 2.2
Bangladesh & Chad with 1.7
Even if you don't trust those international sources it gives you an
insight to the situation.

A score of 5.0 is the number Transparency International considers the
borderline figure distinguishing countries that do or don't have a
serious corruption problem.

Also check out Foreign bribery stats and data at :
http://www.transpar ency.org/ policy_research/ surveys_indices/ bpi/bpi_2006
It will get much worse before it gets better, corruption rots the
roots but it not a lost cause, eventually it will return to norm
levels as it did in so many countries before, Soviets were infested
and it passed along to us, it remained in the mentality of the ruling
class, anybody who has been in Armenia will tell you they felt and
smelt the corruption, but our country is indeed getting better and
stronger.

Yours,

Hrant S. Vartzbedian

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Hagop Nalbandian"
wrote:

Mr. Rastegar,

I am impressed by the fact that they at least provide public
awareness, where mouthpiece venues do sweep under the rug.

I wish they would be less narrow in their focus. They make far too
much of what is becoming a slogan: € ¢Ã¢â’¢¬Å’³We are our worst enemies€ ¢Ã¢â’¢¬Â’½
etc. The foreign investment fraud article that I posted a short
while ago is the perfect example where the author, which is typical
of the staff at Hedq, puts the focus only on domestic violations and
violators, barely scratches the issue of the original bad set of
laws, and never touches upon the true origins of such corrupting laws.

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Founding Director, Armenian Research Center
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4. Sassounian's column of April 12, 2007: Vigilance Pays off: New York
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:35 am (PST)
Vigilance Pays off: New York Times
Corrects € ¦’±Massacre€ ¦’² to € ¦’±Genocide€ ¦’²

By Harut Sassounian
Publisher, The California Courier

The New York Times published a news article written by Sebnem Arsu of Istanbul and Brian Knowlton of Washington on March 30 with the following headline: € ¦’³Planned House Vote on Armenian Massacre Angers Turks.€ ¦’´ In the article, however, the term genocide was correctly used instead of massacre to refer to the planned mass killings of Armenians in 1915.
The reference to the Armenian Genocide as a massacre in the headline was a clear violation of the newspaper€ ¦’²s editorial guideline on this subject.
Several individuals immediately sent letters to the New York Times complaining about this deviation from policy.
Businessman Dan Magarian of Cincinnati, Ohio, sent several letters to NY Times executives on March 30, asking for "a proper and full correction."
Attorney Steven Sarfatti of Washington, DC also wrote to the NYT stating that "massacre" was "woefully inaccurate as a matter of demonstrated historical fact€ ¦’¥. Your staff and editors have disappointed the readership. A prompt correction is indicated."
Janice Kamenir-Reznik, the President of Jewish World Watch, sent a letter on April 1 to the NYT blaming the newspaper for choosing "to equivocate on the fact that the Armenian people was the target and victim of genocide€ ¦’¥. To fall into the trap so neatly laid by the Turks, by calling the genocide a massacre, is immoral and smacks of pandering to the Turks. It is time that Turkey own up to its past, just as Germany has owned up to its past. And, for sure, the New York Times should not fall into this trap again."
Doris V. Cross on behalf of Media Watch Armenia sent a lengthy letter to the NYT on April 3, questioning not only the headline but also the content of the article which devoted an "inordinate amount of space" to the opposition of the U.S. Departments of State and Defense and the Turkish government to the proposed congressional resolution on the Armenian Genocide.
Kathy Rose, an assistant editor at the Foreign Desk of the New York Times, sent the following reply to Dan Magarian on March 30: "We do not think that the story violates our policy. It clearly calls the killings a genocide, and its language was reviewed very carefully before publication. The use of the word massacre in the headline in no way contradicts the policy, nor suggests that the killings were not a genocide. We do understand your concern, but in this case, see no inconsistency with Times policy on the subject."
Magarian responded to Kathy Rose telling her: "Your editorial review should have been more sensitive to which term was used in the headline. In point of fact, many deniers of the Armenian Genocide prefer to use terms such as massacre or mass killings."
Magarian then sent a third letter to Ms. Rose challenging the newspaper€ ¦’²s use of the term "massacre" in the headline, and maintaining that this was a violation of the New York Times editorial policy. He once again asked that the NYT "officially and properly apologize for this gross error and print a suitable correction."
After several days of silence, the NYT published the following correction in its April 5, 2007 edition: "A headline on Friday [March 30] about a planned vote in Congress over the widespread killing of Armenians by the Ottoman Turkish government early in the 20th century incorrectly described the killings, in which 1.5 million Armenians died. It was genocide, not a 'massacre.'"
This was a welcome but unexpected development as Ms. Rose had insisted just a week earlier that the use of the term massacre, instead of genocide, in the headline of the March 30 NYT article, had not violated the newspaper€ ¦’²s policy.
Seeking an explanation for this change in heart, this writer contacted the editors of the NYT. Here is the reply of Craig R. Whitney, the Standards Editor of the NYT: "Dear Mr. Sassounian: I can explain what happened. Kathy Rose came to me, explained how she had answered complaints about the € ¦’±Massacre€ ¦’² reference in the headline, and asked me for my advice. I essentially overruled her, and she accepted that with grace. Had the headline been € ¦’±Massacres,€ ¦’² it might have been consistent with her explanation that the article made clear that it was about the Armenian genocide during the Ottoman Empire, but I felt that € ¦’±Massacre€ ¦’² muddied the facts and that we should bend over backward to correct the apparent misrepresentation of fact. So we ran the correction."
In a follow-up e-mail, this writer pointed out to Mr. Whitney that the use of "massacres" would have been just as wrong as "massacre." Mr. Whitney wrote back saying he agreed, "the headline should have said € ¦’±Genocide.€ ¦’²"
This is a satisfactory conclusion to an unfortunate error by the NYT. Special appreciation should be expressed to all those who took the initiative to pursue this matter until a proper correction was published and the record was set straight. The editors of the NYT should also be thanked for graciously acknowledging their mistake. Hopefully, it won€ ¦’²t happen again, but readers should remain vigilant nonetheless.

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5. Can we support KarabakhOpen.com?
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:43 am (PST)
Dear Friends,
KarabakhOpen. com is one of the Artsakhi leading web sites that form the public opinion of the Armenian population of Artsakh-NK Republic. A group of experienced journalists work voluntarily in the web site that publishes its news in Armenian, Russian and English languages.
Now, I was informed that the web site faces serious financial problems that threaten to stop its English version since the government of the Republic stopped subsidizing it.
I attach to my e-mail the letter written by the site editor Naira Hayrumian in this respect. Any support of you would be kindly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

With best regards,
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6. Full Story: Wolfowitz To Attend 2007 Istanbul Bilderberg Meeting
Posted by: "Greg Badiguian" mahershalalhashbaz37@hotmail.com mygodisjesus
Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:14 am (PST)
Wolfowitz To Attend 2007 Istanbul Bilderberg Meeting
Turkish journalist refers to ultra-elitist confab as "covert world government"

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, April 10, 2007

In an interview with a Turkish journalist, World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz brags of his upcoming attendance of the 2007 Bilderberg Group meeting in Istanbul Turkey, while the journalist who is also set to be an an attendee refers to the elitist confab as a "covert world government."

Bilderberg is an annual conference of the global elite, the location of which changes every year. Power brokers from industry, oil, politics, banking, business, academia, royalty and the media get together to secretly discuss the course of the world with no independent oversight or press coverage whatsoever, save leaked details obtained by muck-raking lone journalists like veteran Jim Tucker.

Bilderberg claims it does not set policy and yet whatever is discussed usually pans out in the real world within 12 months.

The BBC uncovered documents form a former Bilderberg member dating back to the early 50's betraying the fact that the European Union and the single Euro currency were both brainchild's of the Bilderberg Group.

At the 2005 Bilderberg meeting in Munich Germany, leaked talking points obtained from the speeches given at the conference indicated that Bilderberg expected oil prices to surge over the next 12 months, which is exactly what happened.

Bilderberg has a proven history of acting in a kingmaker capacity. Both Bill Clinton and Tony Blair attended before becoming President and Prime Minister and the mainstream media reported that Bilderberg selected John Edwards as Kerry's running mate in 2004. Hillary Clinton was rumored to have attended last year's conference.

The Turkish news website Referans features an article written by Cengiz € ¦Çandar, who recently interviewed Wolfowitz in Washington about Turkey's relationship with the World Bank.

During the interview, according to a translation carried at Bilderberg.org, Wolfowitz spoke of his anticipation at potentially attending Bilderberg's next get-together in Istanbul, which runs from 31st of May to June 3rd.

Wolfowitz describes Bilderberg as a "a valuable opportunity to meet many people and make acquaintances. "

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€ ¦Çandar, relishing his own invitation to attend, states, "For years, conspiracy theorists claimed that the Bilderberg was covert world government. This year I will be there myself. I shall see what covert world government is all about," to which Wolfowitz mockingly responds, "That is still being claimed, there are many web sites making similar claims."

€ ¦Çandar refers to Wolfowitz as having "Been in the administration of the Bilderberg and attended these meetings many times already."

The main theme of this year's conference, overlapping with Bilderberg's sister organization the Trilateral Commission, is likely to be an agreement on behalf of the power brokers to fan the hysteria of man-made global warming in order to push a standardized carbon tax.

Shortly before last year's Bilderberg Group meeting in Ottawa Canada, Alex Jones and his film crew were detained overnight by Canadian immigration officials and interrogated simply for trying to fly into the country to provide media coverage of an event that is uniformly ignored by major establishment newspapers because their own editors are in attendance and sworn to secrecy.

Jones was told by the immigration officials that they were tipped off by Bilderberg security and ordered to detain the radio host and his crew. Laptops were searched as Alex and crew were shouted at, harassed, and threatened with jail or deportation.

In addition, three Canadian citizens who visited the Brookestreet Hotel in Ottawa where Bilderberg met were kidnapped off the street by militarized police with guns, detained without charge and suffered the ordeal of a marathon interrogation session and psychological torture - including threats to "cut off the arms" of one of the victims.

This is how the Bilderberg Group treats anyone that tries to peaceably protest or simply cover their activities, so forgive us for scoffing when claims that they are a benign talking shop for publicity shy old men are regurgitated year upon year by the lapdog press that dare even mention their name, while demonizing the rest of us as conspiracy theorists for even suggesting that a secret conference of 200+ world power brokers, including Congressmen and members of Parliament, without oversight, is worthy of some serious scrutiny.

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7. The End of an Era in the Armenian Genocide Debate?
Posted by: "David Boyajian" dboyajian@msn.com david_boyajian
Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:20 am (PST)

http://www.balkanal ysis.com/ 2007/02/05/ the-end-of- an-era-in- the-armenian- genocide- debate-will- recognition- lead-to-a- turkish-policy- transformation/

The End of an Era in the Armenian Genocide Debate: Will Recognition Lead to
a Turkish Policy Transformation?

2/5/2007 (Balkanalysis. com)

If Turkey gives up its opposition to potential US recognition of the
atrocities between Turks and Armenians that took place during World War One
as € ¦Á € ¡°genocide,€ ¡± will its diplomatic hand ultimately be strengthened? The
following article argues that this just might be the case.

By Mehmet Kalyoncu

What should have happened ninety-two years ago in 1915 is finally likely to
happen in 2007. Both Houses of the U.S. Congress are expected to pass a
resolution that recognizes the bitter WWI experience of the Turkish
Armenians as genocide after it is discussed in the House Foreign Relations
Committee in April. Ankara reflexively and as usual warned Washington that
bilateral relations may be damaged to a degree never before seen. A similar
resolution was stopped in the year 2000 due to Turkish diplomatic pressure.
But times have changed.

For many Turks, passing the resolution will verify their suspicions of the
unfaithful friendship of the United States. Ankara is right when it
maintains that bilateral relations would be damaged severely during a period
in which the United States needs a reliable ally in the Middle East.
Nevertheless, by acknowledging the distinction between recognizing the
so-called Armenian genocide and letting the U.S. Congress recognize it,
Ankara could actually benefit by letting the latter happen.

A sizeable part of the Turkish public, from officials to intellectuals and
ordinary men on the street, view the recognition of the so-called Armenian
genocide by the US Congress as an opportunity to break free from an area of
coercion in the United States€ ¡¯ allegedly unfaithful friendship, and from an
almost century-long hysteria surrounding the question of € ¡°what if the
United States recognizes the so-called genocide?€ ¡± In this regard, the
recognition of the so-called genocide seems to present a more of a threat to
the interests of the United States than to those of Turkey.

Recognizing the So-Called Armenian Genocide

Mr. Turgut Ozal, former President and Prime Minister of Turkey, was among
the first who sought to get rid of the hysteria by signaling a tacit
approval of recognizing the so-called genocide in 1991. However, Ozal had to
back up when political opponent Suleyman Demirel, some high-ranking generals
and the secular establishment accused him of not being sensitive to this
most important national matter. Nuzhet Kandemir, then Turkish Ambassador to
the US, ironically and yet somehow proudly notes that he managed to convince
Ozal to believe that such an approval would not serve the Turkish national
interests.<! --[if !supportFootnotes] -->[1]<!- -[endif]- -> More ironically,
Ilter Turkmen, former Minister of Foreign Affairs, suggests that Ozal did
not in fact believe in what he said, but just seemed so in order to
stimulate a debate when he asked if it would not be better for Turkey to
recognize the so-called genocide.<!- -[if
!supportFootnotes] -->[2]<!- -[endif]- ->

It is not clear whether Ozal thought the same way, but today it seems like
the € ¡°genocide card€ ¡± is destined to lose its value dramatically as a
foreign policy instrument against Turkey once the United States, the
long-time strategic ally of Turkey, recognizes the so-called Armenian
genocide. For so many years, thinks the majority of the Turkish public,
especially the Western European countries and the United States have
exploited the genocide question as a stick to beat Turkey when the carrot
did not indulge her. Today, US recognition is likely to make the genocide
issue much less effective as a foreign policy instrument; with the threat of
it gone, Turkey will be freed of a longstanding preoccupation in its
relations with the United States.

Although there is no unanimity among them, some in the media and secular
circles have speculated about the aftermath of the genocide recognition and
foresee potential sanctions against Turkey. These speculations are often
countered in the public debate by questions such as: What happened after
France long ago passed the resolution in its parliament? What happened even
after France declared it a crime not to recognize the so-called Armenian
genocide? Would the case be any different with the United States?

International criminal law does not provide a guideline to deal with
historical atrocities, argues Swedish historian Bertil Dun€ ¨¦r.[3]<!- -[endif]- -> Yet international law suggests the
creation of an international expert body representing both historians and
the legal profession to investigate such historical cases, and arrive at an
eventual condemnation of the responsible party or parties. This is actually
not much different from what Turkey, especially during the AK Party
government, has been advocating.
Whether the U.S. recognition makes any difference is something to be seen in
the future. However, it is not difficult to argue for now that such
recognition will have implications at multiple levels.

Possible Implications of the US Congress€ ¡¯ Recognition

Turkey and Armenia are likely to gain from the US recognition of the
so-called genocide, while the United States is likely to lose in the long
term. First of all, the recognition will bring an end to a prolonged era
throughout which Turkey has suffered continuous hysteria when considering
the implications of the United States recognizing the so-called Armenian
genocide. Consequently, by the end of its de facto liability to the United
States for not recognizing the so-called genocide, Turkey is likely to
increase its bargaining power against the US in their bilateral relations.
Secondly, Turkish foreign policy, which has essentially revolved around
three issues throughout the republic€ ¡¯s history (defending against Armenian
genocide allegations, Cyprus, and relations with Greece), is likely to gain
momentum that could be developed down lesser-explored avenues such as
increasing bilateral relations with non-Western states.

Armenia has suffered profound economic hardship since the break-up of the
USSR. Some of this would have been lessened had the country been able to
develop economic relations with its immediate neighbor to the west. However,
the Armenian Diaspora€ ¡¯s continuous efforts to inflict pain on Turkey in the
international arena have not helped in this capacity. Beside its occupation
of Azerbaijani territory adjoining Karabagh, Armenia€ ¡¯s constitutionally
certified territorial claims on areas of Eastern Turkey caused Turkey to
impose a blockade on Armenia, shutting off Yerevan€ ¡¯s road and rail links to
the West.[4]<!- -[endif]- ->
However, with the Turkish people€ ¡¯s overwhelming show of sympathy following
the recent murder of Turkish Armenian intellectual Hrant Dink, Armenia€ ¡¯s
Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, Arman Kirakosyan stressed his
government€ ¡¯s readiness to open full diplomatic relations with Turkey
unconditionally. [5]<!- -[endif]- -> Such a
gesture hints that in the absence of the Diaspora influence, Turkey and
Armenia are likely to sort out the problems hindering the two countries€ ¡¯
ability to engage in bilateral political and economic relations.

What is in it for the United States?

What are the pros and cons of the US recognizing the so-called Armenian
genocide? Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ) notes, € ¡°[t]o truly dedicate ourselves
to improving human rights across the world, our government must first learn
from and properly condemn the mistakes of the past€ ¡±[6]<!- -[endif]- -> in order to express the rational
behind his introduction of the Armenian Genocide Resolution. He is right in
that the U.S. government should learn from and properly condemn the mistakes
of the past, but it hardly needs to look at the mistakes of others or go
that far back into history when it has more than enough of its own
indiscretions to use for that educative purpose. Understandably, however,
Pallone may not be able to distinguish between his own electoral interests
and the US national interests.

US-Turkish relations are unlikely to radically change due to the Congress€ ¡¯
recognition of the so-called genocide. Nor is Turkey likely to take any
radical action against the United States for that matter, given the fact
that it needs the US support to deal with the Kurdish PKK separatists and
the looming crisis in northern Iraq, over Kirkuk. Nevertheless, the very
fact that the United States recognizes the so-called genocide would entail
structural changes in Turkey€ ¡¯s foreign policy orientation, which would
indirectly rather than directly impact the US-Turkish relation in the long
term.

Diminishing Influence of the € ¡°White Turks€ ¡±

There are likely to be losers on the Turkish side of the debate as well once
the so-called genocide is recognized by the US Congress. These will include
mainly the exclusivist and elitist secular establishment in the state
apparatus, its extension within the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Ankara,
and their contacts in Washington, who have been reportedly lobbying on
behalf of Turkey.

Throughout the republic€ ¡¯s history, a small number of elite members and
diplomats have been considered to have the decisive influence on Turkey€ ¡¯s
foreign policy orientation, formulation and implementation, serving as a
conduit between Ankara and Washington. This diplomatic elite has earned the
popular moniker, Beyaz Turkler (€ ¡°White Turks€ ¡±), and frequently derive from
familial dynasties, some non-Anatolian in origin. The name implies a sort of
€ ¡°untouchable,€ ¡± elevated image compared to the unwashed masses.

The prolonged conflicts such as the Armenian genocide issue, Cyprus,
Turkish-Greek relations, which pretty much constituted the triad of Turkish
foreign policy in the second half of the 20th century, entailed an
exclusivist foreign policy apparatus independent of whatever particular
government was in office. Understandably, dealing with such conflicts
required diplomatic expertise and personal connections in Washington. Yet
some have speculated that by prolonging these conflicts, the very
exclusivist € ¡°White Turks€ ¡± elite has kept the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
immune from the more traditional- minded bulk of Turkish society, the
so-called € ¡°Black Turks,€ ¡± and maintained their grip on the country€ ¡¯s
foreign affairs.

Winds of Change in Turkish Foreign Policy

Nevertheless, in the recent years the so-called White Turks grip on Turkish
foreign policy, which is marked simply by an unconditional attachment to the
West, has started to diminish gradually. Turkish foreign policy has gained
multiple dimensions with the AK Party€ ¡¯s efforts to reach out to Central
Asia, Middle East, Africa and even Latin America. This new foreign policy
orientation has thus opened the door to those intellectuals who speak the
languages, know the cultures, or have even lived in these new regions of
interest.

This expansion of interests represents a welcome breath of fresh air for a
foreign policy establishment that has become somewhat close-minded due to a
limited orientation traditionally focused on a few narrow issues. By
reaching out to other corners of the globe, Turkey will develop for itself a
more sophisticated and cosmopolitan mindset and inevitably a more
prestigious place on
the global stage.

The most significant example of the new breed of foreign policy
intellectuals is probably Dr. Ahmet Davutoglu, foreign affairs counselor to
the Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs. He was allegedly the
most influential thinker who crafted the new multi-dimensional foreign
policy paradigm of the AK Party government, which resulted in closer
relations of Turkey with its immediate neighbors such as Syria, Saudi
Arabia, and even Iran. The US Congress€ ¡¯ recognition of the so-called
Armenian genocide should only speed up the transformation within the Turkish
foreign policy apparatus, which is in any case already underway, by
eliminating a nagging issue that has for too long forced Turkey to expend
its political capital in an investment promising little return.



[1]<!- -[endif]- -> € ¡°Soykirimi tanisak daha iyi
olmaz mi € ¨C Would it not be better if we recognize the genocide€ ¡±, Hurriyet
7, March 2005, available at
http://hurarsiv. hurriyet. com.tr/goster/ haber.aspx? viewid=546223
[2]<!- -[endif]- -> Ibid
[3]<!- -[endif]- -> Bertil Dun€ ¨¦r, € ¡°What Can Be
Done about Historical Atrocities? The Armenian Case€ ¡± International Journal
of Human Rights, Vol. 8, No. 2, pp. 217€ ¨C233, Summer 2004
[4]<!- -[endif]- -> Jon Gorvett, € ¡°Armenia,
Turkey Takes Steps towards Rapprochement,€ ¡± May 29, 2002, available at
http://www.eurasian et.org/departmen ts/insight/ articles/ eav052902. shtml
[5]<!- -[endif]- -> € ¡°Cenazede gordukleri tablo
Ermeni diasporasini sasirtti€ ¡± Zaman, January 25, 2007, available at
http://www.zaman. com.tr/webapp- tr/haber. do?haberno= 492256
[6]<!- -[endif]- -> € ¡°Armenian Genocide
Resolution to be Introduced Tomorrow,€ ¡± posted by N.J. Dem. Rep. Frank
Pallone, January 29, 2007 available at
http://blog. thehill.com/ category/ politics/
Archived in Turkey, US Foreign Policy, Armenia

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8. RE: (Jabarian's column) -- The Achilles Heal of Elie Wiesel's "Forgi
Posted by: "Hagop Nalbandian" hagopn@earthlink.net teitechstaff
Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:30 pm (PST)
Also, please remember the most important item of misinformation: Such
groups of intellectuals never seem to recall that it was Armenia who tried
to establish relations. It was the Turkish government who refused to open
diplomatic channels between Armenia and Turkey.

This refusal to open diplomatic channels on behalf of Turkey is based on the
Artsakh/Kharabakh issue. The Turkish government at the same time avoids
association with Azerbaijan wherever it suits their propaganda needs, but
fully enforces measures to intimidate Armenians into land concessions on
behalf of Azerbaijan.

The Turkish Chief of Staff Yasar Buyukanit is currently personally
responsible for the improvement of the Azeri Military. The Turkish Chief of
Staff is tasked with the duty of bringing the Azeri Military up to NATO
standards. Turkish officers are now a seamless part of the Azeri officer
corps.

It is also never mentioned by the such groups that Turkey has published a
number of military white papers that specify insurgencies into Armenia and
Greece, something that has intensified in the last 10 years starting with
the first publication by former Turkish Chief of Staff Huseyn Kivrikoghlu.
the Turkish military agenda is that of open aggression, which is a complete
departure from the past model of dealing with foreign aggression in a
defensive tactical position inside Turkey. They perhaps do not mention this
due to the fact that such measures began with Israeli support guarantees.
As the matter of fact, Turkish military strategists take into account that
they already have "far reaching nuclear response at their disposal."

They also never mention that the lands in question 1) are historical
Armenian lands and 2) are the only means with which Armenia has any security
guarantees against known aggressors.

Their priority is obviously not the security and welfare of Armenians, nor
is it a concern of theirs that genocides occur to other ethnicities. Mr.
Wiesel has truly exhibited the extreme double standards with which the
Holocaust is treated. I am hopeful that newer generations of Jews will not
be so short-sighted.

-----Original Message-----
From: Appo Jabarian [appojabarian@ yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:24 AM
To: armenian yahoo group; Vahe Lazarian; Vahe Karapetian; Hovsep Fidanian;
Vahagn Amirian--- UCLA ASA; Simon Maghakyan; Hagop Nalbandian; Ani
Daniyelyan-- GCC ASA; Anna Afrikyan --- LAVC ASA President; Sarkis Asatryan;
Dikran Abrahamian; Vako Nicolian; Vako Nicolian; Vahe Balabanian; Katia M.
Peltekian; Katie Bush; Ardavast Avakian
Subject: (Jabarian's column) -- The Achilles Heal of Elie Wiesel's
"Forgiveness" Ploy

The Achilles Heal of Elie Wiesel's "Forgiveness" Ploy

Friday April 13, 2007

By Appo Jabarian
Executive Publisher/Managing Editor
USA Armenian Life Magazine
Hye Kiank Armenian Weekly

In an appeal signed by 53 Nobel Prize Winners, the
Elie Wiesel Foundation For Humanity on April 9 called
for "tolerance, contact and cooperation between Turks
and Armenians."

The appeal urged: "We, the undersigned Nobel
laureates, issue this appeal directly to the peoples
of Turkey and Armenia. Mindful of the sacrifice paid
by Hrant Dink, the ethnic Armenian editor of Agos in
Turkey, who was assassinated on January 19, 2007, and
whose death was mourned by both Turks and Armenians,
we believe that the best way to pay tribute to Mr.
Dink is through service to his life's work
safeguarding freedom of expression and fostering
reconciliation between Turks and Armenians."

The appeal also recommends a four-step course of
action: 1) Open the Turkish-Armenian border; 2)
Generate confidence through civil society cooperation;
3) Improve official contacts; 4) Allow basic freedoms.

There is one sentence in the appeal, however, that
totally negates all the others. While the laureates
make a number of constructive recommendations for both
Turkey and Armenia, they deal the Armenians, the
victims of the Armenian Genocide at the hands of
Turkey (1915-1923) a fatal injustice. They misguidedly
urge that the "Treaties between the two countries
(Armenia and Turkey) recognize existing borders."

There are many similarities but also many differences
between the Jewish Holocaust and the Armenian
Genocide. One of the key differences is that the
indigenous Germans destroyed the Jews, and therefore
reconciliation did not involve territorial issues.
Jewish victims received recognition, received
apologies, received pensions, and even reclaimed their
insurance benefits and art treasures. In contrast to
this, it was the invader and occupier Turk that killed
the indigenous Armenians through waves of government
instigated pogroms and orgies of rape, murder, and
pillaging.

So, how could the noble-minded Nobel Laureates fathom
the idea of letting genocidal Turkey get away with the
murder of the Armenians and the confiscation of their
lands?

By attempting to sanitize the genocidal Turkish
state's usurpation of the lands of Western Armenia,
the Nobel laureates are rendering a great injustice to
the Armenian victims. One may question whether they
are acting innocently or whether there are ulterior
motives involved. The perpetuation of Western
Armenia's occupation by the descendants of those who
masterminded and executed the Armenian Genocide is a
gross ethical and moral injustice. One may also ask if
they are engaged in a new political push-pull to serve
Turkey. In any case, this newest political theatre is
reminiscent of the infamous Turkish-Armenian
Reconciliation Commission (TARC). The now-defunct TARC
was a Turkish ploy. It had pursued the aim of
convincing the Armenians to let bygones be bygones and
to be happy with just insincere words of contrition
that they promised to utter sometime in the future.
War criminals and those who benefited from their
illegal acts should not be let off the hook so
Wholesale ethnic cleansing must never be accepted as a
way of life on planet earth. The perpetrators and
their torch-carriers in power must pay a price today.
Simple recognition of the Genocide by Turkey is a good
step, but it is not enough.

The Turkish press believes that the thoughts I am
expressing here belong to the radical fringe of
Armenian society. They are absolutely mistaken. The
thoughts expressed here are as mainstream as one can
get.

Therefore, we thank Mr. Wiesel and his friends, and
remind them that their appeal is sending the wrong
signals to the rest of the world. Allowing the
perpetrator to keep the loot will no doubt encourage
more genocides as a way to resolve issues. Like
Cannibalism and slavery, Genocide must be removed from
our way of life on earth.

But perhaps I am just dreaming that someday soon the
cycle of genocides will be cast aside into the ash
heap of history.

The fact remain that 92 years after the Armenian
Genocide, the unabated cycle of mass murders continue
to cause irreparable damage to humanity as a whole.
Cambodia, Rwanda, and now Darfur are living proofs
that humanity is still stuck in barbarism.

If our society continues to ignore gross human rights
violations and ethnic cleansing schemes, than the
genocidal wave will one day undoubtedly usher in
Omnicide! What will remain of human civilization then?

Our society must not reward murderers. It should
punish them by taking away from them the loot that
they have misappropriated from the innocent victims.

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9. ARAMAC ACTION ALERT
Posted by: "Ara" ara.gregorian@gmail.com ara.gregorian
Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:55 pm (PST)

On March 29, 2007, Congressional Turkish Caucus Co-Chairs
distributed a letter to all Members of Congress, written by Secretary of
Defense, Robert Gates, and Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, which
encourages opposition to H. Res. 106, the Armenian Genocide Resolution
(See attached document). As anticipated, the Turkish Lobby is pulling
out all the stops as April 24th approaches. It is critical that the
Armenian-American community be aware of such opposition and take action
to ensure passage of H. Res. 106.

Please open the attachment, "2007, March 29, Turkish Caucus
Co-Chairs Letter.pdf
<http://f1.grp. yahoofs.com/ v1/MDAdRhAm3KaCJ 7EY1p3tDXnq3O2eY 0E6-E8a1l8- ug\
-8qvdA3jYNHFSn5swVG b8tF_LWSOmQWlE6R uFcDQt_zlDj7_ gTZ5d5Nw/ 2007%2C%20March\
%2029%2C%20Turkish% 20Caucus% 20Co-Chairs% 20Letter. pdf> " to view the
entire letter.

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _\
____________ _________

HOW CAN YOU HELP PASSAGE OF H. RES. 106?

Join us in Washington , DC on April 23 & 24th for our National
Advocacy Day as we welcome Armenian-Americans from across the nation to
advocate for Armenian issues on Capitol Hill. This is the best
opportunity you have to make your voices heard directly in Congress.

Participants will be briefed on pending legislation and sharpen
their skills with an advocacy training session. Activists will also
embark on a full day of meetings with Members of Congress and their
staff to advocate for critical legislation and strengthen the
U.S.-Armenia relationship.

On the evening of April 24, Armenian Caucus Co-Chairs Frank
Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) and Joseph Knollenberg (R-MI) will spearhead a
Capitol Hill commemoration for the 92nd anniversary of the Armenian
Genocide. This pan-Armenian event will be held in conjunction with the
Armenian Embassy and will feature former U.S. Ambassador to Armenia John
M. Evans as the keynote speaker.

The schedule of events is as follows:

April 23, 2007

* 2:00 PM € ¦’¶ 5:00 PM Advocacy Training * 6:00 PM € ¦’¶ 8:00 PM
Welcome Reception

April 24, 2007

* 8:00 AM € ¦’¶ 10:00 AM Breakfast Briefing * 10:00 AM € ¦’¶ 4:30
PM Meetings with Congressional Representatives * 6:30 PM € ¦’¶ 8:30
PM Capitol Hill Commemoration of Armenian Genocide

Advocacy Training, Welcome Reception on 23rd and Breakfast Briefing all
take place at the Renaissance Mayflower Hotel.

The cost for the Advocacy Training, Welcoming Reception and Breakfast
Briefing is $100

Attached file may be found here:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/armenian/ files/
<http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/armenian/ files/>

2007, March 29, Turkish Caucus Co-Chairs Letter.pdf
<http://f1.grp. yahoofs.com/ v1/MDAdRhAm3KaCJ 7EY1p3tDXnq3O2eY 0E6-E8a1l8- ug\
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10. The Bilderberg Group
Posted by: "Vahe Pichikian" pitchikian@yahoo.com pitchikian
Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:55 pm (PST)

Dear Friends

The Bilderberg Group is going to meet in Istanbul this year from May
31st to June 3rd 2007.

It is mentioned in the following interesting website:
http://www.bilderbe rg.org/index. htm
<http://www.bilderbe rg.org/index. htm>

Sincerely

Vahe Pichikian

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11. Rwanda genocide exhibit to 'open very soon'
Posted by: "Armen" armsef@yahoo.com armsef
Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:20 pm (PST)
Rwanda genocide exhibit to 'open very soon'
April 12 2007 at 12:40AM

New York - The United Nations has apologised for postponing the
opening of an exhibit marking the anniversary of the 1994 Rwanda
genocide over Turkish objections to a reference to the killing of
Armenians in Turkey during World War 1, the Rwandan ambassador said
on Wednesday.

"We were contacted by UN Under Secretary General (for public
information Kiyotaka Akasaka) who told me they are reviewing the text
(of the exhibit)," Rwanda's permanent UN representative Joseph
Nsengimana said. "He apologises. The exhibit will (officially) open
very soon."

The exhibit, which was to have been inaugurated by UN chief Ban Ki-
moon Monday, is meant to commemorate the 13th anniversary of the
Rwandan genocide during which Hutu extremists killed about 800 000
people, most of them ethnic minority Tutsis.

Farhan Haq, a UN spokesperson, said the controversy arose when a
Turkish diplomat walked by the exhibit as it was being put up last
week and complained about a reference to the killing of several
hundred thousand Armenians in Turkey during World War 1.

He said the reference was on a small panel with a quotation from
Raphael Lemkin, the Polish-born Jewish lawyer who coined the word
genocide in 1943, had earlier shown interest in the
Armenian "genocide" and campaigned in the League of Nations to ban
what he called "barbarity" and "vandalism".

Turkey, the successor of the Ottoman Empire, categorically denies
claims of genocide and says thousands of Turks and Armenians were
killed in civil strife during 1915-1917 when Armenians took up arms
for independence in eastern Anatolia and sided with Russian troops
invading the crumbling empire.

Much to Turkey's ire, many countries have recognised the killings as
genocide.

Haq said a review panel made up of officials of the UN departments of
public information and political affairs as well as those with
expertise in genocide affairs would now look over the photographs and
the text of the exhibit ahead of the inauguration.

"This is what they were supposed to have done," he said. "I am hoping
it will be very quick."

The exhibit is partly organised by Aegis Trust, a British-based
international organisation lobbying to prevent genocide worldwide.

- Sapa-AFP

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12. Turkish denial: The MYTH of Armenian rebellion. BLAMING VICTIMS is a
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:20 pm (PST)
Turks say Armenians were fighting for Russia in 1914. Actually, many
Armenians wer eon the Russian side, as they were seeking revenge for the
horrible Hamidian Massacres of the 1890's!

Actually, Armenians were on both sides of the Russian-Ottoman Turkish conflict--
just as Armenians were on both sides in the IRAN-IRAQ war.

But neither the Iraqi, Iranian, or Russian people deported and murdered the
women and children of the men serving in their armies. Neither rounded up
the MEN for the army and then sent them to the front lines and/or murdered them.
The grains, the stockpiles of goods and products were confiscated IN TOTAL by
the Ottoman Turkish army, leaving many Armenians (in VAN for
example) penniless. The TURKS now have the audacity
to "blame the rebellion (sic) in Van" for the GENOCIDE. There
was no rebellion in VAN. If a city is beseiged and the people around it
(in the suburbs) put to the sword to the last man, and then that city
is told to accept the murder of one of its top leaders,
(the murder of Ishkhan), doe sit make any sense for that city to
let a Turkish army Genocide unit into it? The last ditch attempt
at avoiding total annihilation (at VAN) is neither a rebellion nor an uprising.
it is a self-defense. People don't want to die like sheep.
For the Turks to call it a rebellion is akin to blaming the ghetto "riots" of
the "Jewish" Holocaust a "reason" for the Holocaust itself! It defies
logic and is akin to a hate crime!

Turkey killing Armenians "for siding with the Russians"
is the BIGGEST MYTH swallowed en masse by ignorant
Armenians, Turks and non-Armenians and non-Turks.

Turkey killed Armenians due to impunity and the demonization of the
Armenians that went on in their mind. Turks were delusional and psychotic,
as a society.

And for many other reasons.
Genocide is not a bumper sticker topic.

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13. Turkish lies swallowed by Armenians: "Millions of Turks..."
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:23 pm (PST)
http://users. erols.com/ mwhite28/ warstat1. htm

World War 1:
Reality: over 2 million Armenians were killed.
Reality: Almost 300,000 soldiers of Ottoman Empire killed -- mostly ARMENIAN MEN!
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Turkish lies:
Simply a perfect INVERSION of the above,
an INVERSION of the truth.
See this website:
http://users. erols.com/ mwhite28/ warstat1. htm

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14. The Iran War Theater's "Northern Front"
Posted by: "Ara" ara.gregorian@gmail.com ara.gregorian
Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:23 pm (PST)

What the Israeli-US-NATO coalition does not realize (or more cynically,
does) is that by cozying up, training and catering to the Azerbaijani
military complex, they are not only creating a dangerous expansion of
the regional war theater, but actually setting the stage for future
bloody warfare and instability for years to come. It is now becoming
more imperative for Armenia to draw international attention and outrage
to the dangers lying ahead and to strike up some solid military
alliances with her willing neighbors, specifically Iran, since it seems
that the West has all but abandoned us. ~Ara
The Iran War Theater's "Northern Front": Azerbaijan and the US
Sponsored War on Iran
By Prof. Michel Chossudovsky Global Research
<http://www.globalre search.ca/> , April 9, 2007

In a timely decision, Azerbaijan recently (mid-March) granted NATO the
permission to use two of its military bases and an airport to "back up
its peace-keeping operation in Afghanistan" including support for NATO's
"supply route to Afghanistan" . NATO's special envoy Robert Simmons
insists that the agreement has nothing to do with US plans to wage
aerial bombardments on Iran.

Media sources in Baku have intimated that this timely agreement is
directly related to ongoing US-Israeli-NATO war plans. Its timing
coincides with US naval deployments and war games in the Persian Gulf.

The airport and two military bases are slated to be "modernized to meet
NATO standards". Washington has confirmed in this regard that it would
"support the modernization of a military airport in the framework of
the Individual Partnership Action Plan (IPAP) signed between Azerbaijan
and NATO.

Meanwhile, the Defense Ministry of Azerbaijan released a statement to
the effect that "Azerbaijan' s territory will not be at the disposal of
any country for hostile acts against neighbours [Iran] " (See Mardom
Salari (Farsi), BBC translation, 5 April 2007).

This announcement by the Azeri Defense Ministry was in response to an
off-the-cuff statement by US Undersecretary of State Matthew Bryza, at a
press conference in Georgia (March 30) to the effect that "The United
States hopes for permission to use airfields in Azerbaijan for military
purposes." (emphasis added)

"A lot of planes overfly Georgia and Azerbaijan on the way to
Afghanistan. Should it prove necessary, we would like to be able to use
an airfield in Azerbaijan," the US diplomat said, answering a question
concerning the modernization of a military airfield in Azerbaijan with
the Americans' help. (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, April 2, 2007)

Maj. Eric Lehman, GSSOP Task Force commander (Left), briefs Mr. Matthew
Bryza, deputy
assistant secretary of state for Eurasian affairs(Center) and Ambassador
Richard Miles (Right)
during convoy ambush training July 29th 2006 at Krtsanisi National
Training Center about
25 kilometers south of Tbilisi, Georgia

According to Azerbaijani political scientist, Zardusht Alizade, the
NATO/US military agreement with the Baku government pertains to several
Azeri airfields, which could be used to receive and service US/NATO
aircraft:

"Baku may also help the United States with data on ballistic missile
defense'... Moreover, the words of the Azerbaijani authorities do not
always match their deeds, and the statement of the Defense Ministry may
be anything but the last word on the subject. "If the US Administration
appeals to Aliyev and the latter summons the courage to turn the request
down, all the better for him," Alizade said. "I do not really think that
he will want to peeve Washington." According to the political scientist,
the consequences of this step may be quite dire. Tehran has already
proclaimed its readiness to strike at strategic objects nearby which are
important for the United States. "Iranian capacities are not to be
underestimated. A single division of its armed forces can occupy all of
Azerbaijan without a second thought. I only hope that this is some sort
of political game and that the United States does not really intend to
strike at Iran," Alizade said" (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, April 2, 2007)
(emphasis added)

Strategic Caspian Sea Maritime Border with Iran

Azerbaijan is also strategic in view of its maritime border with Iran in
the Caspian sea. In this regard, the U.S. Navy is involved in supporting
the Azeri Navy, in the area of training. There is also an agreement to
provide US support to refurbish Azeri warships in the Caspian sea.

The US sponsored Caspian Guard Initiative was launched in 2003 to
"coordinate activities in Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan with those of U.S.
Central Command and other U.S government agencies to enhance Caspian
security." The initiative was implemented under the cover of preventing
narcotics trafficking and counter- terrorism, Its ultimate objective,
however, is to provide USCENTCOM with a strategic naval corridor in the
Caspian sea basin.

The US has also participated in joint Naval exercises with the Azeri
Army's 641st Special Warfare Naval Unit, headquartered at the Azeri
Naval Station outside Baku.

More generally, both the US and NATO are in the process of deepening
their military cooperation with Azerbaijan. In recent developments,
military-political consultations between the US and Azerbaijan are
scheduled to be held in Washington in the second half of April,
according to a US Embassy source in Baku. (APA News, 4 April 2007
<http://en.apa. az/news.php? id=23846> )

"the consultations will cover issues on strategic cooperation,
Azerbaijan-NATO relations, the mutual activity of both countries in Iraq
and Afghanistan and some other issues.[Iran] (ibid)

The timing of these consultations is crucial. They coincide
chronologically with a process of advanced military planning.

Azerbaijan could be the object of retaliatory strikes by Iran, if the
country's military bases are used by NATO-US forces as a launch pad for
waging war on Iran.

Media sources in Baku have suggested that retaliatory bombings by Iran
could include Azeri oil fields and oil and gas pipelines. The strategic
Baku-Ceyhan pipeline, which links the Caspian Sea to the Eastern
Mediterranean could also be a target. The Baku Ceyan pipeline is
controlled by an Anglo-American consortium led by British Petroleum
(BP).

In early April, Iran deployed troops and military hardware along the
Iranian-Azerbaijani border. According to an April 4 report of the
Azerbaijani news agency Turan:

"Military experts think that the deployment of troops and hardware
pursue defence ends. This means that the troops are being pushed forward
to repel attacks... The start of an information [propaganda] war is
obvious. An intelligence expert has told Turan that recent publications
in the media saying that Iran has drawn up a list of facilities in
Azerbaijan that will be bombed in case of a US attack [on Iran] are a
glaring example of this. Most likely, the reports were prepared and
passed to the mass media by the Iranian secret services to exert
psychological pressure on Baku. The goal is to deter Baku from
supporting Washington in a military conflict with Tehran. (Turan, 4
April 2007) (emphasis added)

The Iran War Theater's "Northern Front"

US and allied naval deployments are concentrated in the Persian Gulf and
the Eastern Mediterranean. The March NATO/US agreement with Baku, while
building upon previous military cooperation agreements, specifically
reinforces what might be described as a "Northern Front" whereby Azeri
military bases including airfields and naval facilities in the Caspian
sea would be used by NATO and US forces in the case of US sponsored
attacks on Iran.

If this were to occur, several Central Asian countries could be drawn
into the conflict, leading to a process of military escalation. The
latter could also extend into a ground war in which Iran would target
US, British and NATO facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan.
€ ¦© Copyright Michel Chossudovsky, Global Research, 2007

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15. Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE!
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:24 pm (PST)
Dear Armenians:

I will not stop unless a year goes by and there are NO REPORTS of
the CRIME of charging Armenian children money to attend Armenian plays!

Whenever there is a play, a speech, a performance, or a concert,
we must charge adults the full price. But the
children should be allowed in for free. TSRI!
Domsagner TSRI betk eh dank.

Be honest, when is the last time you gave up a nice seat at an Armenian
event because a teenager took it?

Everyone complains about a lack of attendance.
Well, here is the solution:

1). Humans under 25 are FREE!
2). Most under 25 are in school.
3). Paents will not attend if they have to shell out money for teens.
4). Parents won't go if they have to shell out $50 for
2 kids.
5). Children revitalize the community and older people love looking at them.
6). The "children" will hear Armenian being spoken...and will
have an incentive to learn this LIVING LANGUAGE.
7). We increase activity and attendance.
8). Ashkhoujh ou gensounag kaghout@ bidi ashkhoujh yev gensounag
kaghout mnah. Meradz kaghout@ bidi taghvi ye te yerdasartneroun
garevorouteun chi dah !
9). Ays nakhatasouteun@ gu krem vor dajig lrdesner@
kichmu uspaghavdz mnan. Barab khosker al usem vor iskabes
khentanan. And that is exactly what the Turkish government must
NEVER EVER know. Or it will be our demies and most
of all lrrdesner@ togh shad chamich uden dak hatsov, ha nina nina.
10). There is NO REASON to charge teens and children ticket
prices over $1. WHAT IS TH EINCENTIVE? We are PUNISHING with a
ticket price the poor parents who are the "most
Armenian" in spirit. We have them empty their wallets just
to keep their children Armenian.

What do you think?

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16. Armenian population maps: VAN 1914 vrs 1926. Bryce BLUE BOOK
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:39 pm (PST)
http://www.press. uchicago. edu/Images/ Chicago/hewsen23 3.html

See maps:
Right click, save, then open. ENLARGE

VAN 1914: 197,000 Armenians.
VAN 1926: 0 (zero)

Van 1926 IF NO GENOCIDE: 261,000 Armenians
Van 2007 if no genocide: 1, 311,000 Armenians

Van 2007 Muslim population: 851,000
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Mrs. Gazarian founded the Christian school at Van, and devoted many years to educating Armenian children. Her story, which is perhaps the first uncensored news of the cruelties inflicted by the Turks in Armenia, was told through Arsen K. Nakashian, an interpreter :
"I spent a month in Van while our school was the target of the Turks. I saw them kill, burn and persecute," she said. "I saw our town become a part of a barren waste. I saw Turks bury Armenian victims with the dogs, divide the women among them as wives and throw babies into the lake. The school was burned, the missionaries fled, and 35,000 of the 75,000 inhabitants of the Van district were killed or starved to death.
http://net.lib. byu.edu/~ rdh7/wwi/ 1915/bryce/ a03.htm
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17. HAROUT SASSOUNIAN ADDRESSES HAIGAZIAN UNIVERSITY STUDENTS
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:39 pm (PST)
AZG Armenian Daily #066, 11/04/2007
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HAROUT SASSOUNIAN ADDRESSES HAIGAZIAN UNIVERSITY STUDENTS
During his short trip to Lebanon, Mr. Harout Sassounian, President of the United Armenian Fund, Publisher of the California Courier, and Vice-Chair of the Lincy Foundation, had a special encounter with the Haigazian University Armenian students, who eagerly listened to the latest achievements related to the Armenian Cause.
Sassounian explained how Armenians should go beyond the question of the genocide recognition, and dwell on the issue of the Armenian Cause and demands in their entirety.
He motivated students to be more active and involved regarding the Armenian Cause and international issues, sharing with them his personal efforts and their positive outcomes.
After a dynamic question and answer period, Student Life Director, Antranik Dakessian thanked Mr. Sassounian for offering his precious time and rich experience with the Haigazian youth.
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18. Land Grabbed from Villagers by Oligarchs
Posted by: "David Boyajian" dboyajian@msn.com david_boyajian
Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:46 pm (PST)

HETQonline

Land Grabbed from Villagers

April 9, 2007

http://www.hetq. am/eng/economy/ 0704-armavir. html

A considerable portion of the land in the provincial region of Armavir has
been bought by officials and oligarchs. The Millennium Challenges program
implementation in this region is set to become a means for the fulfillment
of their needs.

Smbat Abgaryan, a resident of the village of Noravan in Armavir, has been
cultivating the land belonging to the Armavir Forest Service since 1993. He
had been regularly paying the required rent up to 2005. He had a contract
with the Armavir Forest Service because the land was considered a forest
zone and belonged to them. According to that contract, Abgaryan had rented
5.5 hectares of land. Later, based an agreement with the National Academy of
Sciences, Smbat planted American and Canadian fast-growing poplars on four
hectares of that land.
That forest is already seven years old. According to the contract, the trees
should have been cut and replanted. This program was started taking the
energy crisis into account, to prevent deforestation (for further
information on the fast-growing poplar project, click here).
Government Decree No. 1848, issued on December 9, 2004 , regarding the
change in status of utilization for the land in Armavir and the allocation
of land plots, became the basis for the rented land to be grabbed from
residents of Noravan. After the government decision, the provincial
administration of Armavir declared an auction.

"The provincial administration did not inform us and set up a fake auction,
selling off the land we rent. The purchasers are various officials. We know
their kind, as far of some of them are concerned. There used to be a forest
here, but it was cut down during the cold years - only the stumps remained.
Then we found out that the land was being rented out. We signed a contract
with the Forest Service and started cultivating the land. We turned it into
farmland - do you know how difficult it is to remove stumps? We have spent a
lot of money to make it arable land," said Smbat Abgaryan, who visited the
Hetq office with a group of Noravan residents. The table below shows the
names of people who had bought, during the auction, the land rented by the
villagers. None of these names are on the list by chance. These officials
have bought the plots of land for a low price, paying around 200 dollars per
hectare.
Name of Purchaser in Auction Real owner or sponsoring official Land area
Roza MkrtchyanShe is the mother-in-law of Finance Minister Vardan
Khachatryan39 ha
Mekhak MkhitaryanMember of Parliament 5.8 ha
Avetik Darbinyan Land surveyor for the Marz Administration, he is the
brother-in-law of MP Mekhak Mkhitaryan 5.85 ha
Gurgen HakobyanHe is the son of Parandzem Karapetyan, Deputy Provincial Head
of Armavir 5 ha
Artur MikayelyanHe is the cousin of Deputy Provincial Head Parandzem
Karapetyan 5 ha
Tigran HeroyanHe is the nephew of Armavir Provincial Head Albert Heroyan 2.7
ha
Hovhannes LazaryanThis land actually belongs to Armavir Mayor Ruben
Khlghatyan 5 ha
Gevorg Poghosyan Former Armavir Chief of Police 8 ha
Misak Ter-Poghosyan Owner of Armavir Furniture Factory 10.33 ha
Hrant Mkrtchyan Head of Provincial Healthcare Department Larisa Muradyan
2.25 ha
Volodya Shahverdyan Former Director of Armavir Forest Service 3 ha
Babken Arshakyan Husband of Larisa Muradyan, Head of Provincial Healthcare
Department 3 ha
Manvel Ghazaryan 24 ha
Razmik Avetisyan 3 ha
Araksi Yengibaryan 5 ha
Gnuni Yepremyan 2.25 ha
Seryoja Safaryan 7 ha

"In 1992, I was wounded during the Karabakh war and suffered a first-degree
disability. I got back on my feet a year later. In 1993, the director of the
Forest Service gave me two hectares of land to cultivate. It required a lot
of investment - my friends and relatives helped me. We got together and
cleared that land of stumps. I wasn't well, but we worked, removed it all
and then planted wheat. I have regularly made the payments every year, both
for the soil and the water. Then I found out that Misak had taken my land. I
haven't given up my land or left it, though. I still plant every year - if
anyone wants to come on my land, let them try. People want to occupy land
without a fight - they tried that with Karabakh and other places. And today,
one of those people purchased that land, the rich Misak, who bought his
son's freedom from the army - will his son some day tell my son to cultivate
and farm his land? Why should such a thing be allowed? Neither Misak nor
anyone else will take that land - whoever he may be. I wrote to Robert
Kocharyan and was told to come and sign that my complaint had been resolved.
I asked them what they had done to resolve the situation. Now I'm not paying
the taxes, because I don't know who to pay. How can they forcibly remove me?
I have sweated for that land. Let them try to forcibly remove me! Thanks be
to God - we may not have money, but we have grace, respect and honor. I have
two children. I want to sweat in order to support my children and not to beg
here and there," said Avetik Hovhannisyan.

The people of Noravan are convinced that Marzpet (Governor) Albert Heroyan
has had a major role to play in this story. "Yes, these are all part of the
marzpet's games. Member of Parliament Mekhak Gabrielyan has been an MP for
so long and has worked hard. He said that he hadn't asked for anything, but
the marzpet had called him and said that he was giving him 5.8 hectares as a
gift," added Avetik.
Smbat Abgaryan tried to "reestablish justice" through the judicial system.
"They don't even want to hear us out in court. Everything has already been
decided; it's just a show trial. Nobody wanted to listen to us in court - we
had uncovered their false documents and shown that the auction was fake with
forged signatures, but all in vain," said Smbat.
The residents of Noravan wrote letters to the President, Prosecutor General,
and Ombudsman. But all the letters were forwarded to Marzpet Heroyan, who
then replied to them. The marzpet said in his reply that everything had been
done within the law. Naturally, the "King" of the province would have
replied in this way. Evidence of the abuse of power by this official has
been continuously publicized over the past few years. Investigative
Journalists produced a television program aired three years ago which
presented some incidents of abuse, but law enforcement organs did nothing.
Albert Heroyan has held a number of posts since Soviet times and was only
relieved of his position two months ago; he know owns 400 hectares of land
in the provincial region of Armavir. This land should, in reality, belong to
the villagers.
It is obvious from the documents for the auction that it was conducted with
disregard for the law - deadlines were not been observed and the farmers
cultivating the land were not notified, even though they should have been
given priority for ownership of the land. This was enough for the court to
declare the auction void, but the verdict could not have been against the
Finance Minister or a member of parliament.
The worst part is that the province of Armavir is expected to see the
construction of irrigation pipelines and roads as part of the Millennium
Challenges program, but the region is one of those where officials and
oligarchs have taken over the villagers' land. In coming articles, Hetq will
focus more on these regions.
The villagers of Noravan continue to cultivate the land they have rented.
"Today at the Marz Administration they smiled sardonically and said, 'Do
whatever you want.' They say, 'Do you know what you're doing? You've taken
on the whole government, you think you can win?' All the same, they'll walk
onto that land over my dead body. The whole village knows that I would make
the payments regularly even during those dark years. We would sleep near the
artesian well so that we could water the trees. Now they've come and
privatized it all. I have two boys - one will go to the army this spring,
the other is mentally ill and has been relieved of military duty. What do
they want? They have jobs, high-ranking positions - do they want everything
for themselves? We cultivate land to support our families. If they're
farmers let them give up their positions and work on farms. When I read this
verdict it is more like a death sentence for me, not just a verdict in their
favor. I will keep this land if it costs me my life. I won't leave my
children hungry," said Smbat.

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1a. Re: Rwanda genocide exhibit to 'open very soon' From: Lady Bug
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1a. Re: Rwanda genocide exhibit to 'open very soon'
Posted by: "Lady Bug" lady1945bug@yahoo.com lady1945bug
Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:24 am (PST)
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Fr. Vazken Movsesian tells of his journey to his roots--in Rwanda. ...

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Armen <armsef@yahoo. com> wrote: Rwanda genocide exhibit to 'open very soon'
April 12 2007 at 12:40AM

New York - The United Nations has apologised for postponing the
opening of an exhibit marking the anniversary of the 1994 Rwanda
genocide over Turkish objections to a reference to the killing of
Armenians in Turkey during World War 1, the Rwandan ambassador said
on Wednesday.

"We were contacted by UN Under Secretary General (for public
information Kiyotaka Akasaka) who told me they are reviewing the text
(of the exhibit)," Rwanda's permanent UN representative Joseph
Nsengimana said. "He apologises. The exhibit will (officially) open
very soon."

The exhibit, which was to have been inaugurated by UN chief Ban Ki-
moon Monday, is meant to commemorate the 13th anniversary of the
Rwandan genocide during which Hutu extremists killed about 800 000
people, most of them ethnic minority Tutsis.

Farhan Haq, a UN spokesperson, said the controversy arose when a
Turkish diplomat walked by the exhibit as it was being put up last
week and complained about a reference to the killing of several
hundred thousand Armenians in Turkey during World War 1.

He said the reference was on a small panel with a quotation from
Raphael Lemkin, the Polish-born Jewish lawyer who coined the word
genocide in 1943, had earlier shown interest in the
Armenian "genocide" and campaigned in the League of Nations to ban
what he called "barbarity" and "vandalism".

Turkey, the successor of the Ottoman Empire, categorically denies
claims of genocide and says thousands of Turks and Armenians were
killed in civil strife during 1915-1917 when Armenians took up arms
for independence in eastern Anatolia and sided with Russian troops
invading the crumbling empire.

Much to Turkey's ire, many countries have recognised the killings as
genocide.

Haq said a review panel made up of officials of the UN departments of
public information and political affairs as well as those with
expertise in genocide affairs would now look over the photographs and
the text of the exhibit ahead of the inauguration.

"This is what they were supposed to have done," he said. "I am hoping
it will be very quick."

The exhibit is partly organised by Aegis Trust, a British-based
international organisation lobbying to prevent genocide worldwide.

- Sapa-AFP

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1b. Re: Rwanda genocide exhibit to 'open very soon'
Posted by: "Katie Bush" astrik7@yahoo.com astrik7
Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:42 am (PST)
i really would love to stay decent and moderate, and not say what the un can do with its apologies... in a few languages.
best,
i.

Armen <armsef@yahoo. com> wrote:
Rwanda genocide exhibit to 'open very soon'
April 12 2007 at 12:40AM

New York - The United Nations has apologised for postponing the
opening of an exhibit marking the anniversary of the 1994 Rwanda
genocide over Turkish objections to a reference to the killing of
Armenians in Turkey during World War 1, the Rwandan ambassador said
on Wednesday.

"We were contacted by UN Under Secretary General (for public
information Kiyotaka Akasaka) who told me they are reviewing the text
(of the exhibit)," Rwanda's permanent UN representative Joseph
Nsengimana said. "He apologises. The exhibit will (officially) open
very soon."

The exhibit, which was to have been inaugurated by UN chief Ban Ki-
moon Monday, is meant to commemorate the 13th anniversary of the
Rwandan genocide during which Hutu extremists killed about 800 000
people, most of them ethnic minority Tutsis.

Farhan Haq, a UN spokesperson, said the controversy arose when a
Turkish diplomat walked by the exhibit as it was being put up last
week and complained about a reference to the killing of several
hundred thousand Armenians in Turkey during World War 1.

He said the reference was on a small panel with a quotation from
Raphael Lemkin, the Polish-born Jewish lawyer who coined the word
genocide in 1943, had earlier shown interest in the
Armenian "genocide" and campaigned in the League of Nations to ban
what he called "barbarity" and "vandalism".

Turkey, the successor of the Ottoman Empire, categorically denies
claims of genocide and says thousands of Turks and Armenians were
killed in civil strife during 1915-1917 when Armenians took up arms
for independence in eastern Anatolia and sided with Russian troops
invading the crumbling empire.

Much to Turkey's ire, many countries have recognised the killings as
genocide.

Haq said a review panel made up of officials of the UN departments of
public information and political affairs as well as those with
expertise in genocide affairs would now look over the photographs and
the text of the exhibit ahead of the inauguration.

"This is what they were supposed to have done," he said. "I am hoping
it will be very quick."

The exhibit is partly organised by Aegis Trust, a British-based
international organisation lobbying to prevent genocide worldwide.

- Sapa-AFP

http://www.iol. co.za/index. php?
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2. Schwarzenegger proclaimed April 22-29 as “Days of Remembrance of the
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:38 am (PST)
Schwarzenegger proclaimed April 22-29 as € ¦’³Days of Remembrance of the Armenian Genocide€ ¦’´ 12.04.2007 13:23 GMT+04:00
/PanARMENIAN. Net/ The week of April 22nd through April 29th is proclaimed as € ¦’³Days of Remembrance of the Armenian Genocide€ ¦’´ in California, the PanARMENIAN. Net journalist was told in the Armenian National Committee of America. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger€ ¦’² s statement particularly says, € ¦’³Between the years 1915 and 1923, during the chaos of World War I, over one million Armenian men, women and children living within the Ottoman Empire's borders were killed; forcing hundreds of thousands of Armenians to flee to foreign countries after being stripped of their possessions, their national identities and their homeland. Scores fled to the United States, and California was fortunate to become home to one of the largest populations of Armenians outside the Republic of Armenia. Many of California's Armenian-American families are the descendents of these courageous genocide survivors, whose hope for a life independent war and violence was realized on our soil. Like their family
members before them, the Armenian-American community bravely flourished and contributed much to our state and nation. Documented as the first instance of genocide in the twentieth century, the Armenian Genocide remains unacknowledged to this day. I strongly echo the sentiments that all nations must examine their own painful histories, as the denial of genocide further wounds a nation's ability to heal. Though over ninety years have passed since these mass killings took place, present day atrocities resonate throughout the world. It is our responsibility to recognize the brutal slayings of so many innocents, remembering their suffering and vowing to help prevent future genocides. I join California's Armenian-American communities and all Armenians worldwide in remembering those who were killed and persecuted during the Armenian Genocide, and urge people throughout the world to never forget these horrific crimes against humanity.

Now, Therefore, I, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor of the State of California, do hereby proclaim the week of April 22nd through April 29th, 2007, as € ¦’³Days of Remembrance of the Armenian Genocide.€ ¦’´’´
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3a. Re: The Iran War Theater's "Northern Front"
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:39 am (PST)
Hallelujah! Finally the Armenians are beginning to think in strategic terms!

Ara <ara.gregorian@ gmail.com> wrote: What the Israeli-US-NATO coalition does not realize (or more cynically, does) is that by cozying up, training and catering to the Azerbaijani military complex, they are not only creating a dangerous expansion of the regional war theater, but actually setting the stage for future bloody warfare and instability for years to come. It is now becoming more imperative for Armenia to draw international attention and outrage to the dangers lying ahead and to strike up some solid military alliances with her willing neighbors, specifically Iran, since it seems that the West has all but abandoned us.

~Ara

The Iran War Theater's "Northern Front": Azerbaijan and the US Sponsored War on Iran

By Prof. Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, April 9, 2007

In a timely decision, Azerbaijan recently (mid-March) granted NATO the permission to use two of its military bases and an airport to "back up its peace-keeping operation in Afghanistan" including support for NATO's "supply route to Afghanistan" . NATO's special envoy Robert Simmons insists that the agreement has nothing to do with US plans to wage aerial bombardments on Iran.
Media sources in Baku have intimated that this timely agreement is directly related to ongoing US-Israeli-NATO war plans. Its timing coincides with US naval deployments and war games in the Persian Gulf.
The airport and two military bases are slated to be "modernized to meet NATO standards". Washington has confirmed in this regard that it would "support the modernization of a military airport in the framework of the Individual Partnership Action Plan (IPAP) signed between Azerbaijan and NATO.

Meanwhile, the Defense Ministry of Azerbaijan released a statement to the effect that "Azerbaijan' s territory will not be at the disposal of any country for hostile acts against neighbours [Iran] " (See Mardom Salari (Farsi), BBC translation, 5 April 2007).
This announcement by the Azeri Defense Ministry was in response to an off-the-cuff statement by US Undersecretary of State Matthew Bryza, at a press conference in Georgia (March 30) to the effect that "The United States hopes for permission to use airfields in Azerbaijan for military purposes." (emphasis added)
"A lot of planes overfly Georgia and Azerbaijan on the way to Afghanistan. Should it prove necessary, we would like to be able to use an airfield in Azerbaijan," the US diplomat said, answering a question concerning the modernization of a military airfield in Azerbaijan with the Americans' help. (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, April 2, 2007)

Maj. Eric Lehman, GSSOP Task Force commander (Left), briefs Mr. Matthew Bryza, deputy
assistant secretary of state for Eurasian affairs(Center) and Ambassador Richard Miles (Right)
during convoy ambush training July 29th 2006 at Krtsanisi National Training Center about
25 kilometers south of Tbilisi, Georgia

According to Azerbaijani political scientist, Zardusht Alizade, the NATO/US military agreement with the Baku government pertains to several Azeri airfields, which could be used to receive and service US/NATO aircraft:
"Baku may also help the United States with data on ballistic missile defense'... Moreover, the words of the Azerbaijani authorities do not always match their deeds, and the statement of the Defense Ministry may be anything but the last word on the subject. "If the US Administration appeals to Aliyev and the latter summons the courage to turn the request down, all the better for him," Alizade said. "I do not really think that he will want to peeve Washington." According to the political scientist, the consequences of this step may be quite dire. Tehran has already proclaimed its readiness to strike at strategic objects nearby which are important for the United States. "Iranian capacities are not to be underestimated. A single division of its armed forces can occupy all of Azerbaijan without a second thought. I only hope that this is some sort of political game and that the United States does not really intend to strike at Iran," Alizade said" (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, April
2, 2007) (emphasis added)
Strategic Caspian Sea Maritime Border with Iran
Azerbaijan is also strategic in view of its maritime border with Iran in the Caspian sea. In this regard, the U.S. Navy is involved in supporting the Azeri Navy, in the area of training. There is also an agreement to provide US support to refurbish Azeri warships in the Caspian sea.
The US sponsored Caspian Guard Initiative was launched in 2003 to "coordinate activities in Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan with those of U.S. Central Command and other U.S government agencies to enhance Caspian security." The initiative was implemented under the cover of preventing narcotics trafficking and counter- terrorism, Its ultimate objective, however, is to provide USCENTCOM with a strategic naval corridor in the Caspian sea basin.
The US has also participated in joint Naval exercises with the Azeri Army's 641st Special Warfare Naval Unit, headquartered at the Azeri Naval Station outside Baku.
More generally, both the US and NATO are in the process of deepening their military cooperation with Azerbaijan. In recent developments, military-political consultations between the US and Azerbaijan are scheduled to be held in Washington in the second half of April, according to a US Embassy source in Baku. (APA News, 4 April 2007)
"the consultations will cover issues on strategic cooperation, Azerbaijan-NATO relations, the mutual activity of both countries in Iraq and Afghanistan and some other issues.[Iran] (ibid)
The timing of these consultations is crucial. They coincide chronologically with a process of advanced military planning.
Azerbaijan could be the object of retaliatory strikes by Iran, if the country's military bases are used by NATO-US forces as a launch pad for waging war on Iran.
Media sources in Baku have suggested that retaliatory bombings by Iran could include Azeri oil fields and oil and gas pipelines. The strategic Baku-Ceyhan pipeline, which links the Caspian Sea to the Eastern Mediterranean could also be a target. The Baku Ceyan pipeline is controlled by an Anglo-American consortium led by British Petroleum (BP).

In early April, Iran deployed troops and military hardware along the Iranian-Azerbaijani border. According to an April 4 report of the Azerbaijani news agency Turan:
"Military experts think that the deployment of troops and hardware pursue defence ends. This means that the troops are being pushed forward to repel attacks... The start of an information [propaganda] war is obvious. An intelligence expert has told Turan that recent publications in the media saying that Iran has drawn up a list of facilities in Azerbaijan that will be bombed in case of a US attack [on Iran] are a glaring example of this. Most likely, the reports were prepared and passed to the mass media by the Iranian secret services to exert psychological pressure on Baku. The goal is to deter Baku from supporting Washington in a military conflict with Tehran. (Turan, 4 April 2007) (emphasis added)
The Iran War Theater's "Northern Front"
US and allied naval deployments are concentrated in the Persian Gulf and the Eastern Mediterranean. The March NATO/US agreement with Baku, while building upon previous military cooperation agreements, specifically reinforces what might be described as a "Northern Front" whereby Azeri military bases including airfields and naval facilities in the Caspian sea would be used by NATO and US forces in the case of US sponsored attacks on Iran.
If this were to occur, several Central Asian countries could be drawn into the conflict, leading to a process of military escalation. The latter could also extend into a ground war in which Iran would target US, British and NATO facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan.

? Copyright Michel Chossudovsky, Global Research, 2007

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4. Germen involvement in the Genocide (video 57 min.)
Posted by: "Noubar Poladian" noubarpoladian@yahoo.com noubarpoladian
Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:49 am (PST)
To watch this chronology of the involvement of Turkey's ally,Germany in the Genocide, tying the event to the Holocaust. (video 57 min.)
Click on:

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5a. Where Have All the Leaders Gone? by Lee Iacocca...!!!
Posted by: "Mark Chenian" markchenian@msn.com markchenian
Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:15 am (PST)

Lee Iacocca: Where Have All the Leaders Gone?
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By Lee Iacocca with Catherine Whitney
Had Enough? Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out! You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies. Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don't need it). The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for.

I've had enough. How about you? I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. My friends tell me to calm down. They say, "Lee, you're eighty-two years old. Leave the rage to the young people." I'd love to, as soon as I can pry them away from their iPods for five seconds and get them to pay attention. I'm going to speak up because it's my patriotic duty. I think people will listen to me. They say I have a reputation as a straight shooter. So I'll tell you how I see it, and it's not pretty, but at least it's real. I'm hoping to strike a nerve in those young folks who say they don't vote because they don't trust politicians to represent their interests. Hey, America, wake up. These guys work for us. Who Are These Guys, Anyway? Why are we in this mess? How did we end up with this crowd in Washington? Well, we voted for them, or at least some of us did. But I'll tell you what we didn't do. We didn't agree to suspend the Constitution. We didn't agree to stop asking questions or demanding answers. Some of us are sick and tired of people who call free speech treason. Where I come from that's a dictatorship, not a democracy. And don't tell me it's all the fault of right-wing Republicans or liberal Democrats. That's an intellectually lazy argument, and it's part of the reason we're in this stew. We're not just a nation of factions. We're a people. We share common principles and ideals. And we rise and fall together.

Where are the voices of leaders who can inspire us to action and make us stand taller? What happened to the strong and resolute party of Lincoln? What happened to the courageous, populist party of FDR and Truman? There was a time in this country when the voices of great leaders lifted us up and made us want to do better. Where have all the leaders gone?

The Test of a Leader
I've never been Commander in Chief, but I've been a CEO. I understand a few things about leadership at the top. I've figured out nine points, not ten (I don't want people accusing me of thinking I'm Moses). I call them the "Nine Cs of Leadership." They're not fancy or complicated. Just clear, obvious qualities that every true leader should have. We should look at how the current administration stacks up. Like it or not, this crew is going to be around until January 2009. Maybe we can learn something before we go to the polls in 2008. Then let's be sure we use the leadership test to screen the candidates who say they want to run the country. It's up to us to choose wisely.

So, here's my C list:

A leader has to show CURIOSITY. He has to listen to people outside of the "Yes, sir" crowd in his inner circle. He has to read voraciously, because the world is a big, complicated place. George W. Bush brags about never reading a newspaper. "I just scan the headlines," he says. Am I hearing this right? He's the President of the United States and he never reads a newspaper? Thomas Jefferson once said, "Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate for a moment to prefer the latter." Bush disagrees. As long as he gets his daily hour in the gym, with Fox News piped through the sound system, he's ready to go.

If a leader never steps outside his comfort zone to hear different ideas, he grows stale. If he doesn't put his beliefs to the test, how does he know he's right? The inability to listen is a form of arrogance. It means either you think you already know it all, or you just don't care. Before the 2006 election, George Bush made a big point of saying he didn't listen to the polls. Yeah, that's what they all say when the polls stink. But maybe he should have listened, because 70 percent of the people were saying he was on the wrong track. It took a "thumping" on election day to wake him up, but even then you got the feeling he wasn't listening so much as he was calculating how to do a better job of convincing everyone he was right.

A leader has to be CREATIVE, go out on a limb, be willing to try something different. You know, think outside the box. George Bush prides himself on never changing, even as the world around him is spinning out of control. God forbid someone should accuse him of flip-flopping. There's a disturbingly messianic fervor to his certainty. Senator Joe Biden recalled a conversation he had with Bush a few months after our troops marched into Baghdad. Joe was in the Oval Office outlining his concerns to the President, the explosive mix of Shiite and Sunni, the disbanded Iraqi army, the problems securing the oil fields. "The President was serene," Joe recalled. "He told me he was sure that we were on the right course and that all would be well. 'Mr. President,' I finally said, 'how can you be so sure when you don't yet know all the facts?'" Bush then reached over and put a steadying hand on Joe's shoulder. "My instincts," he said. "My instincts." Joe was flabbergasted. He told Bush,"Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough." Joe Biden sure didn't think the matter was settled. And, as we all know now, it wasn't. Leadership is all about managing change, whether you're leading a company or leading a country. Things change, and you get creative. You adapt. Maybe Bush was absent the day they covered that at Harvard Business School.

A leader has to COMMUNICATE. I'm not talking about running off at the mouth or spouting sound bites. I'm talking about facing reality and telling the truth. Nobody in the current administration seems to know how to talk straight anymore. Instead, they spend most of their time trying to convince us that things are not really as bad as they seem. I don't know if it's denial or dishonesty, but it can start to drive you crazy after a while. Communication has to start with telling the truth, even when it's painful. The war in Iraq has been, among other things, a grand failure of communication. Bush is like the boy who didn't cry wolf when the wolf was at the door. After years of being told that all is well, even as the casualties and chaos mount, we've stopped listening to him.

A leader has to be a person of CHARACTER. That means knowing the difference between right and wrong and having the guts to do the right thing. Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you want to test a man's character, give him power." George Bush has a lot of power. What does it say about his character? Bush has shown a willingness to take bold action on the world stage because he has the power, but he shows little regard for the grievous consequences. He has sent our troops (not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens) to their deaths. For what? To build our oil reserves? To avenge his daddy because Saddam Hussein once tried to have him killed? To show his daddy he's tougher? The motivations behind the war in Iraq are questionable, and the execution of the war has been a disaster. A man of character does not ask a single soldier to die for a failed policy.

A leader must have COURAGE. I'm talking about balls. (That even goes for female leaders.) Swagger isn't courage. Tough talk isn't courage. George Bush comes from a blue-blooded Connecticut family, but he likes to talk like a cowboy. You know, My gun is bigger than your gun. Courage in the twenty-first century doesn't mean posturing and bravado. Courage is a commitment to sit down at the negotiating table and talk.

If you're a politician, courage means taking a position even when you know it will cost you votes. Bush can't even make a public appearance unless the audience has been handpicked and sanitized. He did a series of so-called town hall meetings last year, in auditoriums packed with his most devoted fans. The questions were all softballs.

To be a leader you've got to have CONVICTION, a fire in your belly. You've got to have passion. You've got to really want to get something done. How do you measure fire in the belly? Bush has set the all-time record for number of vacation days taken by a U.S. President, four hundred and counting. He'd rather clear brush on his ranch than immerse himself in the business of governing. He even told an interviewer that the high point of his presidency so far was catching a seven-and-a- half-pound perch in his hand-stocked lake. It's no better on Capitol Hill. Congress was in session only ninety-seven days in 2006. That's eleven days less than the record set in 1948, when President Harry Truman coined the term do-nothing Congress. Most people would expect to be fired if they worked so little and had nothing to show for it. But Congress managed to find the time to vote itself a raise. Now, that's not leadership.

A leader should have CHARISMA. I'm not talking about being flashy. Charisma is the quality that makes people want to follow you. It's the ability to inspire. People follow a leader because they trust him. That's my definition of charisma. Maybe George Bush is a great guy to hang out with at a barbecue or a ball game. But put him at a global summit where the future of our planet is at stake, and he doesn't look very presidential. Those frat-boy pranks and the kidding around he enjoys so much don't go over that well with world leaders. Just ask German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who received an unwelcome shoulder massage from our President at a G-8 Summit. When he came up behind her and started squeezing, I thought she was going to go right through the roof.

A leader has to be COMPETENT. That seems obvious, doesn't it? You've got to know what you're doing. More important than that, you've got to surround yourself with people who know what they're doing. Bush brags about being our first MBA President. Does that make him competent? Well, let's see. Thanks to our first MBA President, we've got the largest deficit in history, Social Security is on life support, and we've run up a half-a-trillion- dollar price tag (so far) in Iraq. And that's just for starters. A leader has to be a problem solver, and the biggest problems we face as a nation seem to be on the back burner.

You can't be a leader if you don't have COMMON SENSE. I call this Charlie Beacham's rule. When I was a young guy just starting out in the car business, one of my first jobs was as Ford's zone manager in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. My boss was a guy named Charlie Beacham, who was the East Coast regional manager. Charlie was a big Southerner, with a warm drawl, a huge smile, and a core of steel. Charlie used to tell me, "Remember, Lee, the only thing you've got going for you as a human being is your ability to reason and your common sense. If you don't know a dip of horse**** from a dip of vanilla ice cream, you'll never make it." George Bush doesn't have common sense. He just has a lot of sound bites. You know, Mr.they'll-welcome- us-as-liberators -no-child- left-behind- heck-of-a- job-Brownie- mission-accompli shed Bush. Former President Bill Clinton once said, "I grew up in an alcoholic home. I spent half my childhood trying to get into the reality-based world, and I like it here." I think our current President should visit the real world once in a while.

The Biggest C is Crisis. Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down. On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. Where was George Bush? He was reading a story about a pet goat to kids in Florida when he heard about the attacks. He kept sitting there for twenty minutes with a baffled look on his face. It's all on tape. You can see it for yourself. Then, instead of taking the quickest route back to Washington and immediately going on the air to reassure the panicked people of this country, he decided it wasn't safe to return to the White House. He basically went into hiding for the day, and he told Vice President Dick Cheney to stay put in his bunker. We were all frozen in front of our TVs, scared out of our wits, waiting for our leaders to tell us that we were going to be okay, and there was nobody home. It took Bush a couple of days to get his bearings and devise the right photo op at Ground Zero. That was George Bush's moment of truth, and he was paralyzed. And what did he do when he'd regained his composure? He led us down the road to Iraq, a road his own father had considered disastrous when he was President. But Bush didn't listen to Daddy. He listened to a higher father. He prides himself on being faith based, not reality based. If that doesn't scare the crap out of you, I don't know what will.

A Hell of a Mess.

So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia, while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy. Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry out for leadership.

But when you look around, you've got to ask: "Where have all the leaders gone?" Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, competence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened. Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again. Now, that's just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you're going to do the next time.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when "the Big Three" referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it? Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.

I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn't elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bubblehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change? Had Enough? Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope. I believe in America. In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises, the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, the Kennedy assassination, the Vietnam War, the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I've learned one thing, it's this: You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to action for people who, like me, believe in America. It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake off the horse**** and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had enough.

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5b. Re: Where Have All the Leaders Gone? by Lee Iacocca...!!!
Posted by: "Vanessa Kachadurian" wittyhye@yahoo.com wittyhye
Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:05 pm (PST)
Great material, thank you for sharing.

I would like to add...Where have all the Leaders gone? To the pockets of Lobbyists like the Turkish Government, Pharmaceutical Companies and on and on. No one has balls anymore, just deep pockets.

Mark Chenian <markchenian@ msn.com> wrote:

Lee Iacocca: Where Have All the Leaders Gone?
Excerpt: Where Have All the Leaders Gone?
By Lee Iacocca with Catherine Whitney Had Enough? Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out! You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies. Congress responds to record deficits by passing
a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don't need it). The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for.
I've had enough. How about you? I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. My friends tell me to calm down. They say, "Lee, you're eighty-two years old. Leave the rage to the young people." I'd love to, as soon as I can pry them away from their iPods for five seconds and get them to pay attention. I'm going to speak up because it's my patriotic duty. I think people will listen to me. They say I have a reputation as a straight shooter. So I'll tell you how I see it, and it's not pretty, but at least it's real. I'm hoping to strike a nerve in those young folks who say they don't vote because they don't trust politicians to represent their interests. Hey, America, wake up. These guys work for us. Who Are These Guys, Anyway? Why are we in this mess? How did we end up with this crowd in Washington? Well, we voted for them, or at least some of us did. But I'll tell you what we didn't do. We
didn't agree to suspend the Constitution. We didn't agree to stop asking questions or demanding answers. Some of us are sick and tired of people who call free speech treason. Where I come from that's a dictatorship, not a democracy. And don't tell me it's all the fault of right-wing Republicans or liberal Democrats. That's an intellectually lazy argument, and it's part of the reason we're in this stew. We're not just a nation of factions. We're a people. We share common principles and ideals. And we rise and fall together.
Where are the voices of leaders who can inspire us to action and make us stand taller? What happened to the strong and resolute party of Lincoln? What happened to the courageous, populist party of FDR and Truman? There was a time in this country when the voices of great leaders lifted us up and made us want to do better. Where have all the leaders gone?
The Test of a Leader
I've never been Commander in Chief, but I've been a CEO. I understand a few things about leadership at the top. I've figured out nine points, not ten (I don't want people accusing me of thinking I'm Moses). I call them the "Nine Cs of Leadership." They're not fancy or complicated. Just clear, obvious qualities that every true leader should have. We should look at how the current administration stacks up. Like it or not, this crew is going to be around until January 2009. Maybe we can learn something before we go to the polls in 2008. Then let's be sure we use the leadership test to screen the candidates who say they want to run the country. It's up to us to choose wisely.
So, here's my C list:
A leader has to show CURIOSITY. He has to listen to people outside of the "Yes, sir" crowd in his inner circle. He has to read voraciously, because the world is a big, complicated place. George W. Bush brags about never reading a newspaper. "I just scan the headlines," he says. Am I hearing this right? He's the President of the United States and he never reads a newspaper? Thomas Jefferson once said, "Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate for a moment to prefer the latter." Bush disagrees. As long as he gets his daily hour in the gym, with Fox News piped through the sound system, he's ready to go.
If a leader never steps outside his comfort zone to hear different ideas, he grows stale. If he doesn't put his beliefs to the test, how does he know he's right? The inability to listen is a form of arrogance. It means either you think you already know it all, or you just don't care. Before the 2006 election, George Bush made a big point of saying he didn't listen to the polls. Yeah, that's what they all say when the polls stink. But maybe he should have listened, because 70 percent of the people were saying he was on the wrong track. It took a "thumping" on election day to wake him up, but even then you got the feeling he wasn't listening so much as he was calculating how to do a better job of convincing everyone he was right.
A leader has to be CREATIVE, go out on a limb, be willing to try something different. You know, think outside the box. George Bush prides himself on never changing, even as the world around him is spinning out of control. God forbid someone should accuse him of flip-flopping. There's a disturbingly messianic fervor to his certainty. Senator Joe Biden recalled a conversation he had with Bush a few months after our troops marched into Baghdad. Joe was in the Oval Office outlining his concerns to the President, the explosive mix of Shiite and Sunni, the disbanded Iraqi army, the problems securing the oil fields. "The President was serene," Joe recalled. "He told me he was sure that we were on the right course and that all would be well. 'Mr. President,' I finally said, 'how can you be so sure when you don't yet know all the facts?'" Bush then reached over and put a steadying hand on Joe's shoulder. "My instincts," he said. "My instincts." Joe was flabbergasted. He told
Bush,"Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough." Joe Biden sure didn't think the matter was settled. And, as we all know now, it wasn't. Leadership is all about managing change, whether you're leading a company or leading a country. Things change, and you get creative. You adapt. Maybe Bush was absent the day they covered that at Harvard Business School.
A leader has to COMMUNICATE. I'm not talking about running off at the mouth or spouting sound bites. I'm talking about facing reality and telling the truth. Nobody in the current administration seems to know how to talk straight anymore. Instead, they spend most of their time trying to convince us that things are not really as bad as they seem. I don't know if it's denial or dishonesty, but it can start to drive you crazy after a while. Communication has to start with telling the truth, even when it's painful. The war in Iraq has been, among other things, a grand failure of communication. Bush is like the boy who didn't cry wolf when the wolf was at the door. After years of being told that all is well, even as the casualties and chaos mount, we've stopped listening to him.
A leader has to be a person of CHARACTER. That means knowing the difference between right and wrong and having the guts to do the right thing. Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you want to test a man's character, give him power." George Bush has a lot of power. What does it say about his character? Bush has shown a willingness to take bold action on the world stage because he has the power, but he shows little regard for the grievous consequences. He has sent our troops (not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens) to their deaths. For what? To build our oil reserves? To avenge his daddy because Saddam Hussein once tried to have him killed? To show his daddy he's tougher? The motivations behind the war in Iraq are questionable, and the execution of the war has been a disaster. A man of character does not ask a single soldier to die for a failed policy.
A leader must have COURAGE. I'm talking about balls. (That even goes for female leaders.) Swagger isn't courage. Tough talk isn't courage. George Bush comes from a blue-blooded Connecticut family, but he likes to talk like a cowboy. You know, My gun is bigger than your gun. Courage in the twenty-first century doesn't mean posturing and bravado. Courage is a commitment to sit down at the negotiating table and talk.
If you're a politician, courage means taking a position even when you know it will cost you votes. Bush can't even make a public appearance unless the audience has been handpicked and sanitized. He did a series of so-called town hall meetings last year, in auditoriums packed with his most devoted fans. The questions were all softballs.
To be a leader you've got to have CONVICTION, a fire in your belly. You've got to have passion. You've got to really want to get something done. How do you measure fire in the belly? Bush has set the all-time record for number of vacation days taken by a U.S. President, four hundred and counting. He'd rather clear brush on his ranch than immerse himself in the business of governing. He even told an interviewer that the high point of his presidency so far was catching a seven-and-a- half-pound perch in his hand-stocked lake. It's no better on Capitol Hill. Congress was in session only ninety-seven days in 2006. That's eleven days less than the record set in 1948, when President Harry Truman coined the term do-nothing Congress. Most people would expect to be fired if they worked so little and had nothing to show for it. But Congress managed to find the time to vote itself a raise. Now, that's not leadership.
A leader should have CHARISMA. I'm not talking about being flashy. Charisma is the quality that makes people want to follow you. It's the ability to inspire. People follow a leader because they trust him. That's my definition of charisma. Maybe George Bush is a great guy to hang out with at a barbecue or a ball game. But put him at a global summit where the future of our planet is at stake, and he doesn't look very presidential. Those frat-boy pranks and the kidding around he enjoys so much don't go over that well with world leaders. Just ask German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who received an unwelcome shoulder massage from our President at a G-8 Summit. When he came up behind her and started squeezing, I thought she was going to go right through the roof.
A leader has to be COMPETENT. That seems obvious, doesn't it? You've got to know what you're doing. More important than that, you've got to surround yourself with people who know what they're doing. Bush brags about being our first MBA President. Does that make him competent? Well, let's see. Thanks to our first MBA President, we've got the largest deficit in history, Social Security is on life support, and we've run up a half-a-trillion- dollar price tag (so far) in Iraq. And that's just for starters. A leader has to be a problem solver, and the biggest problems we face as a nation seem to be on the back burner.
You can't be a leader if you don't have COMMON SENSE. I call this Charlie Beacham's rule. When I was a young guy just starting out in the car business, one of my first jobs was as Ford's zone manager in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. My boss was a guy named Charlie Beacham, who was the East Coast regional manager. Charlie was a big Southerner, with a warm drawl, a huge smile, and a core of steel. Charlie used to tell me, "Remember, Lee, the only thing you've got going for you as a human being is your ability to reason and your common sense. If you don't know a dip of horse**** from a dip of vanilla ice cream, you'll never make it." George Bush doesn't have common sense. He just has a lot of sound bites. You know, Mr.they'll-welcome- us-as-liberators -no-child- left-behind- heck-of-a- job-Brownie- mission-accompli shed Bush. Former President Bill Clinton once said, "I grew up in an alcoholic home. I spent half my childhood trying to get into the reality-based world, and I like it
here." I think our current President should visit the real world once in a while.
The Biggest C is Crisis. Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down. On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. Where was George Bush? He was reading a story about a pet goat to kids in Florida when he heard about the attacks. He kept sitting there for twenty minutes with a baffled look on his face. It's all on tape. You can see it for yourself. Then, instead of taking the quickest route back to Washington and immediately going on the air to reassure the panicked people of this country, he decided it wasn't safe to return to the White House. He basically went into hiding for the day, and he told Vice President Dick Cheney to stay
put in his bunker. We were all frozen in front of our TVs, scared out of our wits, waiting for our leaders to tell us that we were going to be okay, and there was nobody home. It took Bush a couple of days to get his bearings and devise the right photo op at Ground Zero. That was George Bush's moment of truth, and he was paralyzed. And what did he do when he'd regained his composure? He led us down the road to Iraq, a road his own father had considered disastrous when he was President. But Bush didn't listen to Daddy. He listened to a higher father. He prides himself on being faith based, not reality based. If that doesn't scare the crap out of you, I don't know what will.
A Hell of a Mess.

So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia, while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy. Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry out for leadership.
But when you look around, you've got to ask: "Where have all the leaders gone?" Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, competence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.
Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened. Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again. Now, that's just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you're going to do the next time.
Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when "the Big Three" referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it? Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.
I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn't elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bubblehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change? Had Enough? Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope. I believe in America. In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises, the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, the Kennedy assassination, the Vietnam War, the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I've learned one thing, it's this: You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it's building
a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to action for people who, like me, believe in America. It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake off the horse**** and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had enough.

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6a. Re: [TheArmenianGroup] Turkey's genocidal reasoning can be used agai
Posted by: "hovig bedros" hovhanes@googlemail.com joha1979
Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:16 am (PST)
a good book in german and french about the life and death and defence of the
armenians in van is written by Victor Gardon. A very enthralling roman about
this time!

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From: "van1915 www.armenya. com" <van1915@yahoo. com>
To: vanarmenya@yahoo. com
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:13:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [TheArmenianGroup] Turkey's genocidal reasoning can be used
against Turkomens
I agree and disagree.

I think you are being MUCH TOO KIND to TURKISH DENIAL!
It has crept into your writing! SHAKE IT OUT!

Excellent overall points! Agreed on those.
as of Armenian extraction. Some were friendly to Armenians, and most were
absolutely not involved in the Genocide. However, I do not know if Ankara
has poisoned them now...as it poisoned the Tebizond "Turkish" youth (85% Armenian,
I bet) who shot Hrant Dink.. However, do not fall into the Turkish trap. Let me explain.
Armenians throughout the Ottoman Turkish Empire --
INCLUDING IN VAN, ARMENIA, donated men to the OTTOMAN TURKISH ARMY.

Repeat, DONATED MEN...and donated THEIR POSSESSIONS of FOOD.
*Armenians of VAN lost all their petroleum, sugar, raisins, soap, copper,
European clothing and various other commodities, besides almost half their
remaining goods...**TAKEN AWAY BY TURKS! *

The whole thing about Armenians "rebelling" was largely a figment
of the Turkish imaginaton. Armenians suffered kidnappings, lawlessness,
confiscations, and double taxation (Local Kurdish
chieftans and distant Turks). *ARMENIANS WERE KILLED BECAUSE OF
THE DEMONIZATION OF THEM THAT WENT ON INT HE MINDS
OF THEIR KILLERS!*

Here is a bit concerning the ARMENIANS OF VAN
and how they DONATED MEN to the TURKISH OTTOMAN ARMY!

So, the truth is, the 1915 Genocide was
actually a 1914 Genocide...it started by enlisting the
Armenian men -- the best -- and liquidating them.

Here is the reading:
http://net.lib. byu.edu/~ rdh7/wwi/ 1915/bryce/
<http://net.lib. byu.edu/% 7Erdh7/wwi/ 1915/bryce/>
More specifically:
http://net.lib. byu.edu/~ rdh7/wwi/ 1915/bryce/ a02.htm#II
<http://net.lib. byu.edu/% 7Erdh7/wwi/ 1915/bryce/ a02.htm#II>
and an excerpt from the adjacent page:
*"The day after war had been declared by Germany against Russia, Turkey
declared a "state of war" in Van, and called all the young men between 21
and 45 to the colours, without distinction of race or religion. For the
needs of the Army the Government requisitioned all the goods and provisions
in the Market. In some cases they made partial payments, but afterwards they
gave promissory notes to all the owners, which were payable after the war.
This was a heavy loss to the Armenians, as the whole Market was practically
in their hands. They lost all their petroleum, sugar, raisins, soap, copper,
European clothing and various other commodities, besides almost half their
remaining goods."*
* READ ON...IF YOU DARE!*
*IT IS DEPRESSING-- -AS GENOCIDE, OF COURSE, SHOULD BE.*
http://net.lib. byu.edu/~ rdh7/wwi/ 1915/bryce/ a03.htm<http://net.lib. byu.edu/% 7Erdh7/wwi/ 1915/bryce/ a03.htm>
************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ****
Again, your point is excellent, but I just want to point out
the Turkish claim of rebellion is incorrect.
Armenians wer enot backstabbers, Rather, they were
1). backstabbed BY THE TURKS TWICE!
2). in some cases, yes there were Armenians in Russian ranks, growing up
as
ORPHANS from the massacres of the 1890's and 1909!
We sometimes forget how gargantuan the brutal and shockingly
horrible the massacres of the
1890's were! That was the emasculator. By 1914, the Armenians
were largely convinced they were stuck being the slave of the Turks,
or perhaps the "comrade."

VAN ZAKAREAN

*David Boyajian < dboyajian@msn. com>* wrote:

February 3, 2007 Turkey Could Emerge as a New Threat in Iraq by Mohammed
Salih

ARBIL - Growing confrontation between Iraqi Kurds and neighboring Turkey
presents a new threat >to a fragile calm in the north.
...
The aim, Erdogan said, was to crack down on guerrillas of the Kurdistan
Workers' Party (PKK) and >to protect the rights of ethnic Turkomens in
the
oil-rich city Kirkuk.
...

It is well-known that the Turkomens of Iraq get traning and llegal
caches of weapons, as well
as political support, from Turkey.
This makes theTurkomens rebels and agents of a foreign power (Turkey),
at least if we use the same specious reasoning that Turkey employs to justify its genocide
of Armenians in 1915. It would seem, therefore, that Iraq and Iraqi Kurds would be
justified - again using Turkey's OWN REASONING- in killing off all the Turkomens, or at
least deporting them en masse all into the desert with no food or water and let them rot
and die.Maybe Iraq and its Kurds should announce its intention to do that -
employing Turkey's
own reasoning - just for fun to see what Turkey says.

I don't see how Turkey can reasonably object.

Dave Boyajian

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7a. Re: Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:59 am (PST)
Very well then since you call me to task, I must respond.

Number one Fighter of Corruption (and incidentally, Authoritarianism >> Dictatorship) is Transparency.

Yeah! Transparency!

How?

Well, how about ...:
1) ... Enacting a law that all Officials from the President of the Republic all the way to Judges down to the most ordinary state functionaries fill in an annual form reporting:
~ ALL Assets
~ Sources of ALL Assets
~ ANY gift, material or otherwise worth more than an hour's wage - minimum wage.
~ Specifically ask whether any relatives - and in a family based Republic such as Armenia's that includes - wives, husbands, children, in-laws, cousins, and ...

2) ... Creating an official State Publication which publishes the above and avails a copy to every library and school in the land.

3) ... Assuring the Media may not all be owned by any one person or entity. That is may own more than a newspaper or a TV Station or Radio Station. Media has a PUBLIC Function, and any person or entity must accept this fact.

4) ... The Media must allocate a percentage to Public service. For example, EVERY TV Station must allocate a minimum number of hours to PUBLIC SERVICE PROGRAMS such as Parliamentarian Debates, etc etc. Every Edition of the Print must have a certain allocation for Public Debate Notices etc.

5) ... The Media must report quarterly all sources of income. If Artin Boghossian sends money from California to Yerevan Today, it must be reported clearly!

6) ... All State Functionaries, Judges, and other must RENOUNCE all other Ctizenships other than that of ROA. You can not be pledging your allegiance to USA and be Prime Minister of Armenia. NO TWO NATIONS OF THE WORLD HAVE IDENTICAL NATIONAL INTERESTS AT ALL TIMES. This is NOT A GENUINE GLOBAL VILLAGE! If I accept to be ROA Ambassador, Minister, Judge, Police Officer, my 100% Loyalty must be to the ROA and the Peoples of ROA. Make this binding on all. We do not want ex Prime Ministers being big shots in Los Angeles or Paris - abandoning Yerevan! That means from day one the official may act in his own interests otherwise. Public Service is a passion, and not means to getting to be millionaires!

7) ... Make a direct proportionality link between the highest paid to the lowest paid officials in any state entity. Mr. Minister may not earn 1,000 fold the clerical secretary in the Ministry!

8) ... Provide appropriate Pension Plans for ALL Officials.

I can think of many more. That's what I dream of all day when I am free to dream things! Lol.

The good thing about these suggestions are that they are easily executable. They send strong message that corruption is not tolerated. Activism will be encouraged. Democracy shall be strengthened. ROA may not be as rich as Azerbaijani Republic; however, it shall be a squeaky clean place promoting good governance. Seriously, being an official - or former official must not be a road map to the millionair's club.

NR

Artin Boghossian <artinb@rogers. com> wrote:
€ ¦ï»¿ Very well said David, Nader, Alex and Dennis and agreed. Now, give us some hope by way of discussion - how do we go about cleaning the mess? General guidelines along which one can act would be sufficient.

Artin
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From: Dennis R. Papazian
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,

Only people with low moral standards would be lenient. It is disgusting.

Dennis

boomba wrote: well said Nader.Alex
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From: Nader Rastegar
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does business in America,

Amen to this response. I am bewildered how lenient Members of this List are toward their own kind who steals. Is there an awareness that destitute Armenian women are being sold in Persian Gulf Sheikdoms because some thug stole Armenian Treasury Money and is buying up villas in Los Angeles Area?!

And a bloody conflict is looming large for all Armenians?!

I am puzzled by such leniency towards such theft.

David Boyajian <dboyajian@msn. com> wrote:

Look, Armenia is not in a position where it can afford as much
corruption as it has.

Armenia is very poor.

It is blockaded on two sides, and has an unreliable neighbor on its northern
border who is allied with Turkey and Azerbaijan.

Armenia needs all the help from its Diaspora that it can get yet Armenia's
high level officials often do not care whether the Diaspora has confidence
in how its (Diaspora's) money is being spent.

The US can afford corruption. So can Turkey. And so can oil rich
Azerbaijan. Armenia can't.

We don't need high level Armenian officials and their relatives stealing
money from the people of Armenia, raping the country and its forests,
sending Armenian women abroad to be prostutes, and stealing money from the
Diaspora and then coming to America and buying up things that even American
born Armenians cannot afford.

Armenian is unlike any country in the region, and its corruption is
therefore unnacceptable.

Corruption in Armenia is nothing less than treason and should be dealt with
as such.

Of course, when the officials who would prosecute the criminals are
themselves criminals, that means that there will be no prosecutions.

Dave Boyajian

From: "Hrant Sarkis Hrant Vartzbedian"
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Reply-To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Hetq.am: Prime Minister's brother does
business in America,
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:52:41 -0000

CORRUPTION.

corruption is widespread in the World, Armenia is no special place
where it thrives, check out:
http://www.unodc. org/unodc/ en/corruption. html and the links that it
leads too,You have to save and later read the .pdf file "The U.N. Anti-
Corruption Toolkit 3rd Edition, 2004" , it's found at:
http://www.unodc. org/pdf/crime/ corruption/ toolkit/corrupti on_un_anti_ c
orruption_toolkit_ sep04.pdf , check out page 508 of the report.
We as Armenians do not have to be ashamed of the level of corruption
within Armenia or associated with Armenian public figures, i agree
with Hagop, it is incomparable with Turkish official stand against
Armenia plus candid policy of its institutions, Army and
intelligence, what the Turks have been and are doing is a long term
plan to weaken Armenia and its demands, encourage immigration from
and make it dependable on Turkey as much as possible, opening the
border will make that dream come true for them but their Turkic pride
is one of the reasons it hasn't come true so far added to the threat
felt by some Armenian policy makers.
When Hetq reports corruption, it does so in the purpose of reporting
it, let us not dwell on their hidden agenda, the conspiracy theories
are endless, their reporting is based against corruption in Armenia,
it is where they are based and where they come from, let's call them
specialists in that field and not attack them because they are
thorough and dedicated to a single theme.
We can always get a different kind of reporting (mild) from other
sources, especially government supported sources, and it's the same
all around the world.
Overall I think Hetq is doing a marvelous job, exposing corruption
doesn't necessarily weaken the state, it awakens the people and makes
the corrupt more exposed, if those exposed are done wrong they can
always contest but if you will notice they rarely do but keep silent,
thinking maybe that the cloud will pass over.
http://www.hetq. am/eng/
In the case of the Prime Ministers brother for example, what more
would we need to support the allegations, a copy of the deed or title
would help of course, but in the News around us where do you find an
article or a claim thrown at you supported with documents, I guess
people don't have time to read, articles are read by headlines and
not the full body in most cases, some are propaganda, some
The situation in Armenia is no worse than it's neighbors, according
to "The 2005 Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index"
that you can find at www.transparency. org or on page 669 of the Time
Almanac 2007, we feel that way because we are extra sensetive to
anything that touches us or our country, maybe we feel it more
because of our small number.
Armenia is ranked 88th with a CPI Score of 2.9
Iceland 1st with 9.7
Canada 14th with 8.4
U.S. 17th with 7.6
Turkey at 69th with 3.5
Russia 128th with 2.4
Georgia 133rd with 2.3
Azerbaijan 137th with 2.2
Bangladesh & Chad with 1.7
Even if you don't trust those international sources it gives you an
insight to the situation.
A score of 5.0 is the number Transparency International considers the
borderline figure distinguishing countries that do or don't have a
serious corruption problem.
Also check out Foreign bribery stats and data at :
http://www.transpar ency.org/ policy_research/ surveys_indices/ bpi/bpi_2006
It will get much worse before it gets better, corruption rots the
roots but it not a lost cause, eventually it will return to norm
levels as it did in so many countries before, Soviets were infested
and it passed along to us, it remained in the mentality of the ruling
class, anybody who has been in Armenia will tell you they felt and
smelt the corruption, but our country is indeed getting better and
stronger.

Yours,

Hrant S. Vartzbedian

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Hagop Nalbandian"
wrote:

Mr. Rastegar,

I am impressed by the fact that they at least provide public
awareness, where mouthpiece venues do sweep under the rug.

I wish they would be less narrow in their focus. They make far too
much of what is becoming a slogan: € ¦Ã¢â’¢¬Å’³We are our worst enemies€ ¦Ã¢â’¢¬Â’½
etc. The foreign investment fraud article that I posted a short
while ago is the perfect example where the author, which is typical
of the staff at Hedq, puts the focus only on domestic violations and
violators, barely scratches the issue of the original bad set of
laws, and never touches upon the true origins of such corrupting laws.

.

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8. Re: Hurriyet - Sarafian -Kemal Bey]
Posted by: "Dennis R. Papazian" papazian@umich.edu
Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:02 am (PST)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Hurriyet - Sarafian -Kemal Bey
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:40:05 -0400
From: Marc Mamigonian <Marc@naasr.org>
To: STopalian@CG78. FR, armworkshop@ umich.edu

Is the English below (from the Hurriyet site) a translation or summary
of the Turkish (further down - this is the same as one of the articles
posted by S Topalian)? Is it a faithful translation/ summary? Is this
what Ara Sarafian actually said and in what context and to whom was it said?

Marc

*Armenian historian: Akdamar Church re-opening a "peace-offering" from
Turkey*

Armenian historian Ara Sarafian has commented on the mentality guiding
Armenian nationalists, noting that radicalism in the Armenian community
worked the same way it did in the Turkish community, and that many
Armenians had not grasped the significance of the re-opening of the
Akdamar Island Armenian Church on March 29.

Sarafian called the church's re-opening, which took place after a long
and expensive restoration process carried out by the Turkish government
"an important peace offering." According to Sarafian, the restoration of
the Akdamar Church represents a clear response to the many accusations
of "cultural genocide" lodged by the Armenian community outside of
Turkey. He also noted that the step taken in opening up the church had
caused surprise in this community.

*Akdamar bar€ ¦ýþt€ ¦ýr*

9 Nisan 2007

Sefa KAPLAN

Akdamar bar€ ¦ýþt€ ¦ýr*Gomidas Enstit€ ¦üs€ ¦ü Genel Direkt€ ¦ör€ ¦ü Ara Sarafian, T€ ¦ürk ve
Ermeni a€ ¦þýr€ ¦ý milliyet€ ¦çilerinin Akdamar Adas€ ¦ý'ndaki Surp Ha€ ¦ç Kilisesi'nin
a€ ¦çýl€ ¦ýþýn€ ¦ýn € ¦önemini kavrayamad€ ¦ýklar€ ¦ý n€ ¦ý savundu. Sarafian "A€ ¦çýl€ ¦ýþ bir
bar€ ¦ýþ teklifidir" dedi.*

TTK Ba€ ¦þkan€ ¦ý Prof. Yusuf Hala€ ¦ço€ ¦ðlu ile birlikte yapaca€ ¦ðý Harput
incelemeleri son anda iptal edilen Gomidas Enstit€ ¦üs€ ¦ü Genel Direkt€ ¦ör€ ¦ü
Ermeni tarih€ ¦çi Ara Sarafian, T€ ¦ürk ve Ermeni a€ ¦þýr€ ¦ý milliyet€ ¦çilerinin
zihninin ayn€ ¦ý € ¦þekilde € ¦çal€ ¦ýþt€ ¦ýðýn€ ¦ý belirterek, "Akdamar Adas€ ¦ý'ndaki Surp
Ha€ ¦ç Kilisesi'nin restore edilip a€ ¦çýlmas€ ¦ý € ¦önemli bir bar€ ¦ýþ teklifidir"
dedi. Sarafian, T€ ¦ürkiye'de Ermeni meselesi konusunda ordu ile h€ ¦ük€ ¦ümet
aras€ ¦ýnda g€ ¦ör€ ¦üþ farkl€ ¦ýl€ ¦ýklar€ ¦ý oldu€ ¦ðunu da iddia etti. Sarafian, a€ ¦çýl€ ¦ýþ
i€ ¦çin Ermenistan'dan gelecek heyetin Van'a direkt u€ ¦çu€ ¦þuna imk€ ¦án veren
h€ ¦ük€ ¦ümet karar€ ¦ýn€ ¦ýn, Genelkurmay'€ ¦ý n kar€ ¦þý € ¦çýkmas€ ¦ý € ¦üzerine iptal
edilmesinin bunun somut bir g€ ¦östergesi oldu€ ¦ðunu s€ ¦öyledi.

Ara Sarafian, T€ ¦ürk ve Ermeni a€ ¦þýr€ ¦ý milliyet€ ¦çilerinin Akdamar Adas€ ¦ý'ndaki
Surp Ha€ ¦ç Kilisesi'nin a€ ¦çýl€ ¦ýþýn€ ¦ýn € ¦önemini kavrayamad€ ¦ýklar€ ¦ý n€ ¦ý da
savunarak, bunun uzla€ ¦þma yolunda at€ ¦ýlm€ ¦ýþ son derece € ¦önemli bir ad€ ¦ým
oldu€ ¦ðunu belirtti. Bu kararlar€ ¦ýn arkas€ ¦ýnda Ba€ ¦þbakan Erdo€ ¦ðan'€ ¦ýn
bulundu€ ¦ðunu vurgulayan Sarafian, Ermenilere ait di€ ¦ðer k€ ¦ült€ ¦ür
varl€ ¦ýklar€ ¦ýn€ ¦ýn /_newsimages/ 3172365.jpgda restore edilip korunmas€ ¦ý
durumunda, T€ ¦ürkiye'nin Ermenilerin € ¦önemli bir k€ ¦ýsm€ ¦ýn€ ¦ýn deste€ ¦ðini
kazanabilece€ ¦ð ini de aktard€ ¦ý. Ermeni ulusalc€ ¦ýlar€ ¦ýn bir s€ ¦üredir k€ ¦ült€ ¦ürel
soyk€ ¦ýr€ ¦ým tezlerini i€ ¦þledi€ ¦ðini hat€ ¦ýrlatan Sarafian, Akdamar'daki
restorasyonunun, "k€ ¦ült€ ¦ürel soyk€ ¦ýr€ ¦ým" iddialar€ ¦ýna kar€ ¦þý verilmi€ ¦þ net bir
cevap olarak son derece € ¦önemli oldu€ ¦ðunu belirtti ve bu ad€ ¦ým€ ¦ýn Ermeni
Diasporas€ ¦ýnda € ¦þa€ ¦þk€ ¦ýnl€ ¦ýk yaratt€ ¦ýðýn€ ¦ý s€ ¦öyledi.

Sarafian, ge€ ¦çti€ ¦ðimiz sene Van M€ ¦üzesi'ni gezerken m€ ¦üzeyi bombo€ ¦þ g€ ¦örd€ ¦üðün€ ¦ü
vurgulayarak "Van'da sivil otoritelerin Ermeni kar€ ¦þýt€ ¦ý sergiyi kald€ ¦ýrmak
i€ ¦çin b€ ¦öyle bir y€ ¦önteme ba€ ¦þvurdu€ ¦ðu s€ ¦öyleniyordu. Do€ ¦ðru ise, bo€ ¦þ m€ ¦üze,
a€ ¦çýkl€ ¦ýk ve demokratikle€ ¦þ me s€ ¦üreci ya€ ¦þayan T€ ¦ürkiye'nin bir € ¦örne€ ¦ðini
te€ ¦þkil ediyor demektir" dedi.*

An€ ¦ýt m€ ¦üze*

--
Dennis R. Papazian, Ph.D.
Professor of History, Emeritus
Founding Director, Armenian Research Center
The University of Michigan-Dearborn
Dearborn, MI 48128-1491
9 Blueberry Drive
Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
201-505-1591, fax 201-505-1592

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9a. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE!
Posted by: "Dennis R. Papazian" papazian@umich.edu
Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:08 pm (PST)
I agree. We most often ignore our kids when it comes to Armenian
events, lunches, and dinners. $80 for a dinner ticket to some functions
drives both parents and children away.

dp

VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi wrote:

Dear Armenians:

I will not stop unless a year goes by and there are NO REPORTS of
the CRIME of charging Armenian children money to attend Armenian plays!

Whenever there is a play, a speech, a performance, or a concert,
we must charge adults the full price. But the
children should be allowed in for free. TSRI!
Domsagner TSRI betk eh dank.

Be honest, when is the last time you gave up a nice seat at an Armenian
event because a teenager took it?

Everyone complains about a lack of attendance.
Well, here is the solution:

1). Humans under 25 are FREE!
2). Most under 25 are in school.
3). Paents will not attend if they have to shell out money for teens.
4). Parents won't go if they have to shell out $50 for
2 kids.
5). Children revitalize the community and older people love looking at
them.
6). The "children" will hear Armenian being spoken...and will
have an incentive to learn this LIVING LANGUAGE.
7). We increase activity and attendance.
8). Ashkhoujh ou gensounag kaghout@ bidi ashkhoujh yev gensounag
kaghout mnah. Meradz kaghout@ bidi taghvi ye te yerdasartneroun
garevorouteun chi dah !
9). Ays nakhatasouteun@ gu krem vor dajig lrdesner@
kichmu uspaghavdz mnan. Barab khosker al usem vor iskabes
khentanan. And that is exactly what the Turkish government must
NEVER EVER know. Or it will be our demies and most
of all lrrdesner@ togh shad chamich uden dak hatsov, ha nina nina.
10). There is NO REASON to charge teens and children ticket
prices over $1. WHAT IS TH EINCENTIVE? We are PUNISHING with a
ticket price the poor parents who are the "most
Armenian" in spirit. We have them empty their wallets just
to keep their children Armenian.

What do you think?

VAN ZAKAREAN

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9b. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE!
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:03 pm (PST)
April 13, 2007
Dear Armenians:
I have one of the top 5 Armenian professors in the USA
on my side! Dr. Dennis Papazian,
Professor Emeritus
from University of Michigan, the Harvard of the
Midwest.
Anyone else going to get aboard this train?
LET THE CHILDREN IN FOR FREE!

Van Zakarean!
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"Dennis R. Papazian" <papazian@umich. edu> wrote:
I agree. We most often ignore our kids when it comes to Armenian events, lunches, and dinners. $80 for a dinner ticket to some functions drives both parents and children away.

dp

VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi wrote: Dear Armenians:

I will not stop unless a year goes by and there are NO REPORTS of
the CRIME of charging Armenian children money to attend Armenian plays!

Whenever there is a play, a speech, a performance, or a concert,
we must charge adults the full price. But the
children should be allowed in for free. TSRI!
Domsagner TSRI betk eh dank.

Be honest, when is the last time you gave up a nice seat at an Armenian
event because a teenager took it?

Everyone complains about a lack of attendance.
Well, here is the solution:

1). Humans under 25 are FREE!
2). Most under 25 are in school.
3). Paents will not attend if they have to shell out money for teens.
4). Parents won't go if they have to shell out $50 for
2 kids.
5). Children revitalize the community and older people love looking at them.
6). The "children" will hear Armenian being spoken...and will
have an incentive to learn this LIVING LANGUAGE.
7). We increase activity and attendance.
8). Ashkhoujh ou gensounag kaghout@ bidi ashkhoujh yev gensounag
kaghout mnah. Meradz kaghout@ bidi taghvi ye te yerdasartneroun
garevorouteun chi dah !
9). Ays nakhatasouteun@ gu krem vor dajig lrdesner@
kichmu uspaghavdz mnan. Barab khosker al usem vor iskabes
khentanan. And that is exactly what the Turkish government must
NEVER EVER know. Or it will be our demies and most
of all lrrdesner@ togh shad chamich uden dak hatsov, ha nina nina.
10). There is NO REASON to charge teens and children ticket
prices over $1. WHAT IS TH EINCENTIVE? We are PUNISHING with a
ticket price the poor parents who are the "most
Armenian" in spirit. We have them empty their wallets just
to keep their children Armenian.

What do you think?

VAN ZAKAREAN

============
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FREE ARMENIAN REVOLUTIONARY MUSIC
http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
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1. Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van) From: VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi
2. nashuatelegraph - Developer buys city church From: sebouhz_tashjian
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4. Armenian Genocide Video Clips/Flash Presentation From: Ara
5a. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE! From: Nader Rastegar
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1. Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van)
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:42 am (PST)
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fjm7v6XkLd4
Email me if you want the
PDF FILE of this song's lyrics in Armenian!

My grandmother -- an orphan from VAN --
learned this song in her ORPHANAGE!

My mother taught me!

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2. nashuatelegraph - Developer buys city church
Posted by: "sebouhz_tashjian" sebouhz_tashjian@yahoo.com.au sebouhz_tashjian
Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:43 am (PST)
"After waiting more than two years to clear legal challenges and
receive necessary religious blessings, a real estate developer has
purchased St. Francis Xavier Church, a building widely viewed as the
architectural jewel of the French Hill neighborhood.

The $1 million sale, finalized in December, officially ends more than
a century of ownership by the Roman Catholic Church. The deal clears
the way for developer Vatche Manoukian to donate the Chandler Street
property to the Armenian Orthodox Church..."

"he [Manoukian] had to obtain blessings from three leaders of the
Armenian Orthodox Church, Prolman said. Eventually, the Armenian
Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, the head of the church in Armenia
and the leader of the Eastern Diocese of America all came on board"

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The Telegraph

Developer buys city church

By ALBERT McKEON, Telegraph Staff
amckeon@nashuateleg raph.com

Published: Friday, Apr. 13, 2007

NASHUA – After waiting more than two years to clear legal challenges
and receive necessary religious blessings, a real estate developer
has purchased St. Francis Xavier Church, a building widely viewed as
the architectural jewel of the French Hill neighborhood.

The $1 million sale, finalized in December, officially ends more than
a century of ownership by the Roman Catholic Church. The deal clears
the way for developer Vatche Manoukian to donate the Chandler Street
property to the Armenian Orthodox Church, his attorney Andrew Prolman
said Thursday.

But Manoukian has to wait a year, until Dec. 22, to bequeath the
church to the leaders of his faith, Prolman said. The Internal
Revenue Service requires a year of ownership before Manoukian can
transfer the property as a donation, Prolman said.

"It's in a holding pattern right now," Prolman said. "It's for tax
purposes, and it also allows the Armenian Orthodox Church to get a
business plan together."

The sale shouldn't surprise anyone who has observed the multilayered
deliberations over the towering Norman basilica-style building.

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Manchester closed the church in 2003,
citing a dwindling parishioner base, low tithing and the nationwide
clergy shortage. A large group of parishioners initially protested
the shuttering, but it soonthem in the end.

While the group – known formally as the St. Francis Xavier Church
Foundation – took its protest to court, the Catholic diocese and
Manoukian entered a purchase-and- sales agreement in May 2004. The
parties had tried to conceal Manoukian's identity on the document,
but a black marker didn't entirely block off his name.

Manoukian, a landlord and developer, had to wait for the state
Supreme Court to resolve the dispute between the diocese and
protestors. The group argued parishioners – and not the diocese –
owned the building because it was their predecessors, French-Canadian
immigrant mill workers, who funded its construction by saving their
nickels and dimes.

The high court sided with the diocese in February 2006, giving
Manoukian the green light to buy the property.

But then he had to obtain blessings from three leaders of the
Armenian Orthodox Church, Prolman said. Eventually, the Armenian
Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, the head of the church in Armenia
and the leader of the Eastern Diocese of America all came on board,
he said.

In eventually donating the church, Manoukian has identified a
parishioner base that will make the building a vibrant place of
worship, Prolman said.

Manoukian is the controlling principal of Mile High Real Estate. He
has declined to comment on the transaction for more than two years
and didn't return a phone call Thursday. Prolman said Manoukian
prefers not to speak publicly about the sale.

The Chandler Street property is assessed at $1.6 million. The
purchase included the church building, an adjacent rectory that had
long ago held classes, a garage, and a parking lot used by BAE
Systems, Prolman said.

When the Catholic diocese deliberated the future of the church
earlier in the decade, estimates on repairing the roof and Vermont-
marble exterior walls – both diminished by harsh winters – started at
$1.5 million.

Manoukian has allowed a Latino Christian group to meet in the church
basement for some time, Prolman said.

Albert McKeon can be reached at 594-5832 or
amckeon@nashuateleg raph.com.

http://www.nashuate legraph.com/ apps/pbcs. dll/article?
AID=/20070413/ NEWS01/204130351 /-1/NEIGHBORS

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3a. Re: Where Have All the Leaders Gone? by Lee Iacocca...!!!
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:43 am (PST)
Remember that one importanat aspect of leadership is STATEMANSHIP.

Vanessa Kachadurian <wittyhye@yahoo. com> wrote:._,___

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4. Armenian Genocide Video Clips/Flash Presentation
Posted by: "Ara" ara.gregorian@gmail.com ara.gregorian
Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:57 am (PST)
[Best viewed online: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/armenian/ messages
<http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/armenian/ messages> ]

Armenian Genocide Video Clips/Flash Presentation :: ABC World News :
The Forgotten Genocide watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/abcworldne ws>

:: Armenia : Genocide Denied watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/genocidede nied>

:: BBC News : Armenia - The Betrayed watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/bbcnews>

:: Discovering My Father's Village : Edincik watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/discoverin gmyfathersvillag e>

:: Dr. Taner Akcam Interview watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/tanerakcam interview>

:: Germany and the Secret Genocide watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/germanyand thesecretgenocid e>

:: Innocents Betrayed : Calculated Genocide watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/innocentsb etrayed>

:: iWitness : The Genocide Project watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/iwitness>

:: Screamers : Turkish Denial watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/screamers>

:: TIME Europe Magazine : The Armenian Genocide watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/timemagazi ne>

:: Turkey : Facing up to the Past watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/facingupto thepast>

:: Twenty Voices : The Events watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/twentyvoic es>

:: Voices watch » <http://www.genocide events.com/ media/voices>

:: Voices from the Lake : The Secret Genocide watch »
<http://www.genocide events.com/ media/voicesfrom thelake>

www.GenocideEvents. com <http://www.genocide events.com/> - WORLDWIDE
Armenian Genocide Commemoration Events

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5a. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE!
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:59 am (PST)
Good job Van!

Whatever Professor Papazian be in for, I'll join too! Though I applaud the intent, I am baffled by this case.

NR

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:
April 13, 2007
Dear Armenians:
I have one of the top 5 Armenian professors in the USA
on my side! Dr. Dennis Papazian,
Professor Emeritus
from University of Michigan, the Harvard of the
Midwest.
Anyone else going to get aboard this train?
LET THE CHILDREN IN FOR FREE!

Van Zakarean!
------------ -------

"Dennis R. Papazian" <papazian@umich. edu> wrote:
I agree. We most often ignore our kids when it comes to Armenian events, lunches, and dinners. $80 for a dinner ticket to some functions drives both parents and children away.

dp

VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi wrote: Dear Armenians:

I will not stop unless a year goes by and there are NO REPORTS of
the CRIME of charging Armenian children money to attend Armenian plays!

Whenever there is a play, a speech, a performance, or a concert,
we must charge adults the full price. But the
children should be allowed in for free. TSRI!
Domsagner TSRI betk eh dank.

Be honest, when is the last time you gave up a nice seat at an Armenian
event because a teenager took it?

Everyone complains about a lack of attendance.
Well, here is the solution:

1). Humans under 25 are FREE!
2). Most under 25 are in school.
3). Paents will not attend if they have to shell out money for teens.
4). Parents won't go if they have to shell out $50 for
2 kids.
5). Children revitalize the community and older people love looking at them.
6). The "children" will hear Armenian being spoken...and will
have an incentive to learn this LIVING LANGUAGE.
7). We increase activity and attendance.
8). Ashkhoujh ou gensounag kaghout@ bidi ashkhoujh yev gensounag
kaghout mnah. Meradz kaghout@ bidi taghvi ye te yerdasartneroun
garevorouteun chi dah !
9). Ays nakhatasouteun@ gu krem vor dajig lrdesner@
kichmu uspaghavdz mnan. Barab khosker al usem vor iskabes
khentanan. And that is exactly what the Turkish government must
NEVER EVER know. Or it will be our demies and most
of all lrrdesner@ togh shad chamich uden dak hatsov, ha nina nina.
10). There is NO REASON to charge teens and children ticket
prices over $1. WHAT IS TH EINCENTIVE? We are PUNISHING with a
ticket price the poor parents who are the "most
Armenian" in spirit. We have them empty their wallets just
to keep their children Armenian.

What do you think?

VAN ZAKAREAN

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5b. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE!
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:14 pm (PST)
Well, there is a PLAY in CHICAGO by the TORONTO ARMENIANS
called "HAYEREN CHEM KIDEeR" ("I don't speak Armenian.")
The ticket price includes several dollars for TEENS.
I think TEENS, law school students, college students,
high school students, infants and children should get in
FOR FREE. I think the ARMENIAN COMMUNITIES on
EARTH are dying and need more vitality. More attendence
begets more attendance, more vitality begest more attendence,
more vitality begets more attendance, and more vitality
begets more vitality.

We are in a downward cycle in social events, but an upward cycle
in cyberspace. Attendance at Armenian plays is low, but
nearly every Armenian on MYSPACE.COM has an Armenian flag
and Armenian videos on their pages.

CYBERSPACE aside, the Armenians of the world need more
vitality.

More youth.

Let the youth in for FREE!

VAN ZAKAREAN
Nader Rastegar <ispahan1900@ yahoo.com> wrote:
Good job Van!

Whatever Professor Papazian be in for, I'll join too! Though I applaud the intent, I am baffled by this case.

NR

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:
April 13, 2007
Dear Armenians:
I have one of the top 5 Armenian professors in the USA
on my side! Dr. Dennis Papazian,
Professor Emeritus
from University of Michigan, the Harvard of the
Midwest.
Anyone else going to get aboard this train?
LET THE CHILDREN IN FOR FREE!

Van Zakarean!
------------ -------

"Dennis R. Papazian" <papazian@umich. edu> wrote:
I agree. We most often ignore our kids when it comes to Armenian events, lunches, and dinners. $80 for a dinner ticket to some functions drives both parents and children away.

dp

VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi wrote: Dear Armenians:

I will not stop unless a year goes by and there are NO REPORTS of
the CRIME of charging Armenian children money to attend Armenian plays!

Whenever there is a play, a speech, a performance, or a concert,
we must charge adults the full price. But the
children should be allowed in for free. TSRI!
Domsagner TSRI betk eh dank.

Be honest, when is the last time you gave up a nice seat at an Armenian
event because a teenager took it?

Everyone complains about a lack of attendance.
Well, here is the solution:

1). Humans under 25 are FREE!
2). Most under 25 are in school.
3). Paents will not attend if they have to shell out money for teens.
4). Parents won't go if they have to shell out $50 for
2 kids.
5). Children revitalize the community and older people love looking at them.
6). The "children" will hear Armenian being spoken...and will
have an incentive to learn this LIVING LANGUAGE.
7). We increase activity and attendance.
8). Ashkhoujh ou gensounag kaghout@ bidi ashkhoujh yev gensounag
kaghout mnah. Meradz kaghout@ bidi taghvi ye te yerdasartneroun
garevorouteun chi dah !
9). Ays nakhatasouteun@ gu krem vor dajig lrdesner@
kichmu uspaghavdz mnan. Barab khosker al usem vor iskabes
khentanan. And that is exactly what the Turkish government must
NEVER EVER know. Or it will be our demies and most
of all lrrdesner@ togh shad chamich uden dak hatsov, ha nina nina.
10). There is NO REASON to charge teens and children ticket
prices over $1. WHAT IS TH EINCENTIVE? We are PUNISHING with a
ticket price the poor parents who are the "most
Armenian" in spirit. We have them empty their wallets just
to keep their children Armenian.

What do you think?

VAN ZAKAREAN

============
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http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
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VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
VANArmenya: Tebi Moush-Sasoun
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http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
http://cdbaby. com/cd/vanarmeny a
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
VANArmenya: Tebi Moush-Sasoun
Enhanced AUDIO and VIDEO and DATA CD
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com

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6. ANCC 2 PRESS RELEASES
Posted by: "Artin Boghossian" artinb@rogers.com artinboghossian
Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:42 am (PST)

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From: ANCC National Office
To: ANCC, National Office
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:05 PM
Subject: ANCC 2 PRESS RELEASES

Armenian National Committee of Canada

130 Albert St., Suite 1007

Ottawa, ON

KIP 5G4

Tel. (613) 235-2622 Fax (613) 238-2622

E-mail:national.office@ anc-canada. com

www.anccanada. org

For Immediate Release

April 11, 2007 Contact: Kevork Manguelian

Tel. (613) 235-2622

ANCC Participates in Rwandan Genocide Commemoration

Ottawa--The Rwandan community of Greater Toronto commemorated the 13th anniversary of the 1994 Tutsi Genocide in Rwanda with a solemn gathering on April 7. The commemoration theme was "We Will Forgive But Not Forget".

The Armenian National Committee of Canada (ANCC) was invited to participate in the commemoration of the Rwanda Genocide which resulted in the death of countless innocent civilians.

In his opening remark, Aris Babikian, the executive director of the ANCC, said that he "considered it our privilege to participate in this solemn occasion and to address the assembled crowd to show our solidarity with a fellow victim nation of Genocide.

"It is ironic that at the dawn of a new century and after 92 years of the Armenian Genocide, we are gathered, as victim nations of Genocide and Holocaust to commemorate another Genocide-your people's Genocide-and to remind the international community of its obligation to eradicate the scourge of Genocide."

Mr. Babikian said: "Survivors of these heinous crimes must unite to remind the international community and our fellow human beings that such crimes will not be forgotten, denied or be allowed to be repeated."

In his comments, titled "Exposing the Denial Machine," Babikian said: "Once the denial machine is set into motion, the planners and executors of genocide get emboldened and feel confident that they have gotten away with their demonic plan of wiping out a whole race. They then proceed to blame the victims and the survivors for their plight.

"In all genocides the survivors are subjected to the denial machine one way or another. The denial can originate in individuals, organizations or even states," Babikian pointed out.

Denial of mass killings is to "deflect justice and to perpetuate the hatred cycle against the victims. Once the guilty part covers up its crime and gets away with it, it spreads falsehoods in its educational system, to indoctrinate future generations with hatred and animosity towards the victim nation. The denialist portrays the victims as the enemy of the state and of the nation. It injects the US against THEM concept into the mentality of its society," said the ANCC executive director.

Furthermore, by suppressing the truth the perpetrator discharges its responsibility. It also justifies its demonic action as a "righteous crusade" for the welfare of its own people. "With incredible chutzpah Turkey, since the early 1920s, has turned the tragedy of the Armenian Genocide upside down and has depicted itself as the victim! 'It was the Armenians who had committed genocide against the Turks,' blithely says Turkey," sarcastically concluded Babikian.

The executive director of ANCC assured the gathering that "Armenians all over the world believe in accountability and responsibility. The punishment of the guilty is imperative because it will help the civil society of the perpetrator to atone for the crimes of its leaders and to reconcile with the victim nation. As we have seen, without recognition of the crime and punishment of the guilty there can be no reconciliation. "

Gerry Caplan, the African Unite reporteur on the Rwandan Genocide talked about the French Government's crucial role in the genocide. He also gave a detailed account of the French Government's attempt to absolve its guilt through a sham judicial inquiry.

With heart wrenching testimonies and eyewitness accounts many survivors of the Rwandan Genocide recalled how they survived the 100 days orgy of killing. Many of them lost their entire families.

Leo Kabalisa, a Tutsi community leader, stated that his community's days of grief are over. "It is time for action, to help the survivors," he said and urged the assembly to support the various projects the community has initiated.

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The ANCC is the largest and the most influential Canadian-Armenian grassroots political organization. Working in coordination with a network of offices, chapters, and supporters throughout Canada and affiliated organizations around the world, the ANCC actively advances the concerns of the Canadian-Armenian community on a broad range of issues.

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7. Aegistrust.org is the group whose UN genocide exhibit was censored
Posted by: "David Boyajian" dboyajian@msn.com david_boyajian
Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:12 pm (PST)

This web page on aegistrust.org has several past news articles concerning
the Armenian genocide:

http://www.aegistru st.org/index. php?option= com_content& task=blogsection &id=5&Itemid= 88

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8a. Re: AHMADINEJAD TO OPEN FIRST STRETCH OF ARMENIAN GAS PIPELINE FROM
Posted by: "Vahe Pitchikian" pitchikian@yahoo.com pitchikian
Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:15 pm (PST)
Dear Hagob

Speaking of "established academia"...

About Germany they knew that a strong German Communist country is going to be formed, because Karl Marx was German Jew, and majority of the Jews of the day should naturally been Marxist. So I Believe They set Hitler up to destroy that possibility, by creating a false nationalistic government, Hitler actually said "I dont have anything against the jews, exept for they are all communist"

My research has lead me to Montauk project, All troubles start in those types of activities

http://www.world- famous.com/ MontaukStuff/ index.html

Hagop Nalbandian <hagopn@earthlink. net> wrote:
Dear Vahe,

This is fascinating stuff! The cadre of elite wrapped up the initial phases of Zionism and Nazism corroborates this. I~{!/~}ll have to dig up the names and their exact roles, but some names do come to mind who were direct participants in this.

Hitler himself was obviously an agent since the beginning as he bounced around from the extreme left to the extreme right.

This subject is almost forbidden in the established academia.

From: armenian@yahoogroup s.com [armenian@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Vahe Pitchikian
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:35 AM
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} AHMADINEJAD TO OPEN FIRST STRETCH OF ARMENIAN GAS PIPELINE FROM IRAN

Dear Hagop

Below is what Clifford Shack has written on the cause of genocide being the control of the area where the oil train should have been

http://www.geocitie s.com/cliff_ shack/Rothschild ianGenocide. html

Vahe Pichikian

Hagop Nalbandian <hagopn@earthlink. net> wrote:

Dear friends,

1) The Turkish article says that Russia~{!/~} s Gazprom ~{!0~}objects~ {!1~} to the project. Is this an exaggeration of typical Turkish propaganda, or does Gazprom want to monopolize Armenia~{!/~ }s gas supplies with the usual political strings attached?

2) If Iran saves Armenians from any monopoly, even a single monopoly, then all the better. The Georgian pipeline is about as trustworthy as Tala~{!/~}at~ {!/~}s ~{!0~}good word.~{!1~} I think a record was broken on the number of times this pipeline exploded and in which Armenian ~{!0~}opportunists~ {!1~} were implicated. I wonder what sort of treatment the Iranian pipeline will get.

************ ********* ********* ******

AHMADINEJAD TO OPEN FIRST STRETCH OF ARMENIAN GAS PIPELINE FROM IRAN

The New Anatolian, Turkey

March 20 2007

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his Armenian counterpart on Monday formally open the first stretch in Armenia of a natural gas pipeline.

Ahmadinejad and Armenian President Robert Kocharian will inaugurate the 40-kilometer (25-mile) section in the town of Meghri, just over the border from Iran.

Under the first stage of the project, Iran is to deliver up to 400 million cubic meters (14 billion cubic feet) of gas a year; when the pipeline is completed and extends to the capital, Yerevan, the volume could rise to 2.5 billion cubic meters (88 billion cubic feet) a year.

Rain and fog prevented a helicopter flight that was to transport Ahmadinejad, and he was expected to arrive later by road.

The project was launched in 2004 after more than a decade of negotiations.

Russia, which supplies most of Armenia's gas, had objected to the project. Armenian officials said last year they were discussing the prospect of Russia's natural-gas monopoly Gazprom purchasing the Armenian section of the pipeline from Iran.

Landlocked Armenia has developed its relations with Iran amid economic troubles caused by the closing of its borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan in the wake of the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh, a region of Azerbaijan occupied by Armenian and ethnic Armenian Karabakhi forces.

Iran also has sought projects and influence in other parts of the former Soviet Union, mostly in Central Asia.

Last year, Ahmadinejad opened an Iranian-financed tunnel improving connections between impoverished Tajikistan's north and the capital region. Tehran has focused mostly on transport and infrastructure projects and restoring historically close cultural ties.

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9a. The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Google Vi
Posted by: "boomba" mediterane@bigpond.com bglo689
Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:15 pm (PST)
anyone knows about Artin Penik who was he and what was his last words before he hi died?what was all about? since i can not understand turkish.Alex
http://video. google.fr/ videoplay? docid=-392525344 7481818118& q=armenian
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9b. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:47 pm (PST)
Horrid! As an objective observer with a keen sense for historical research (Prof. Papazian would do well to correct me, please!), some observations:
~ The voice is dubbed on the film!
~ For some one with such supposed burns all the way up under the chin, this guy speaks quite loud and clear! Maybe too loud and clear!!
~ Forenscially speaking, this guy did NOT die as he was talking!
~ Logically speaking, if he was against Armenians, his Turkish Masters would have wanted him alive and would fÃªte him all over the world and parade him before the US Congress via AIPAC's assistance!
~ He's buried and on the cross over his grave not a letter of Armenian Alphabet??!! Turks don't have identity and an alphabet! Armenians have had it for Centuries! If this guy was any Armenian at least on his grave he would have his name in Armenian too.
~ The name says it all. He was born in 1921! And his name ain't Armenian! The handful remaining Armenians after 1915 had to change names - hence Penik as a name!

I suppose one may discern a lot in it all!

NR

boomba <mediterane@bigpond. com> wrote:
anyone knows about Artin Penik who was he and what was his last words before he hi died?what was all about? since i can not understand turkish.Alex
http://video. google.fr/ videoplay? docid=-392525344 7481818118& q=armenian

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9c. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl
Posted by: "Ara" ara.gregorian@gmail.com ara.gregorian
Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:11 am (PST)

Here is a Wikipedia page on his background:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Artin_Penik
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Artin_Penik>

There is also a link to a Youtube video with english subtitles:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=uh2f2qsc5Yg
<http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=uh2f2qsc5Yg>

~A

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "boomba" <mediterane@ ...> wrote:

anyone knows about Artin Penik who was he and what was his last words
before he hi died?what was all about? since i can not understand
turkish.Alex
http://video. google.fr/ videoplay? docid=-392525344 7481818118& q=armenian
<http://video. google.fr/ videoplay? docid=-392525344 7481818118& q=armenian>

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10. EDITORIAL! NYTimes Turkey and the U.N.'s Cover-Up
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:28 pm (PST)

Note: forwarded message attached.

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11. Dr. Eric Weitz on the Armenian Genocide Part I
Posted by: "Artin Boghossian" artinb@rogers.com artinboghossian
Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:01 am (PST)
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=ObhjE3LtvfU& mode=related& search=

Professor of History at U of M and expert on history of genocide comments on aspects of the Armenian Genocide of 1915.

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12. Tankian and Garapedian Denounce Cancellation of UN Genocide Exhibiti
Posted by: "Ara" ara.gregorian@gmail.com ara.gregorian
Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:01 am (PST)
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Serj Tankian and Carla Garapedian Denounce Cancellation of UN Genocide
Exhibition Mentioning Armenians
LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Following the UN Secretary General's
request to remove a sentence referring to a million Armenians being
murdered during the Ottoman Empire from the Aegis Trust exhibition
"Lessons from Rwanda," and the exhibition's subsequent
cancellation, Serj Tankian and Carla Garapedian have issued the
following statement:

"We are very shocked by this decision by the Secretary General to
remove mention of a historical event which is well-documented by
thousands of official records of the United States and nations around
the world, including Turkey's wartime allies, Germany, Austria and
Hungary; by Ottoman court martial records; and by eyewitness accounts of
missionaries, diplomats and survivors; as well as decades of historical
scholarship. In the U.S., President Bush has called the events the
`forced exile and annihilation of approximately 1.5 million
Armenians.'

"Elie Wiesel says denial is the last stage of genocide – this
act of censorship by the Secretary General is effectively an act of
appeasement to the very forces in Turkey that led to the recent death of
Hrant Dink and the prosecution of Nobel Prize winner Orhan Pamuk. Other
writers and artists in Turkey are facing prison sentences today under
Article 301 for wanting to speak openly about this issue. What message
does this send to them? The reason why genocides have continued in the
last century – from the Armenian genocide, to the Holocaust,
Cambodia, Bosnia and Rwanda, to the genocide going on now in Darfur
– is because the international community has not intervened to stop
them. Sadly, the Secretary General's decision to stop any mention of
the antecedents to the Rwanda genocide is a blow to those who want to
stop genocide now."

Serj Tankian, songwriter, singer, poet, activist and lead singer of
System of a Down, appears in the film "Screamers," which traces
the history of genocide in the last century, from the Armenian genocide,
to the Holocaust, Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda and Darfur. He was invited by
the Aegis Trust to meet the Secretary General on Monday, along with
"Screamers" director, Carla Garapedian. Aegis is co-sponsoring a
screening of "Screamers" in the British Parliament, following
its theatrical run in the U.S. and screening in the U.S. Library of
Congress.

James Smith, Chief Executive of the Aegis Trust, wrote to Tankian and
Garapedian explaining why Aegis wouldn't submit to the Secretary
General's request, which followed a protest from the Turkish
government. The sentence in dispute: "Following World War 1, during
which one million Armenians were murdered in Turkey, Polish lawyer
Raphael Lemkin urged the League of Nations to recognize crimes of
barbarity as international crimes."

"Had we been asked to remove reference of atrocities to Jews because
Germany objected, we would have been equally resistant," said Smith.
"We can't apply one rule to some and not to others because the
political wind in the UN is blowing against the Armenians," he said.
Removing the sentence would amount to a "denial of elementary
facts."

Garapedian added, "Perhaps the Secretary General should visit the
Holocaust Museum in Washington DC, where another sentence is engraved on
the wall – `Who remembers the Armenians?' That was
Hitler's answer to why he could get away with murdering the Jews.
Hitler used the Armenian genocide as a blueprint for the Holocaust. The
Secretary General should also visit the Kigali Memorial Centre in
Rwanda, which has become the focal point for national remembrance and
education about the 1994 genocide. There, too, the Armenian genocide is
commemorated. No one there is trying to bury the truth."

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13a. Fwd: Noubar please e-mail this to your lists. Thanks - Armen
Posted by: "Noubar Poladian" noubarpoladian@yahoo.com noubarpoladian
Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:06 am (PST)

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13b. Re: [TheArmenianGroup] Fwd: Noubar please e-mail this to your lists
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:07 am (PST)
I wished this guy had a real name. real Identity. I know Noubar well enough not to doubt this. But why is there not a real name attached to it. We have had many on this List who speak of their own experiences - the last of which was that of Van!

If you want to reach Non-Armenians, and retouch the Armenian Hearts, nothing shall be as effective as that!

Believe it or not, though I'm in London now, I have already put out BIG THICK Candles on my window panes with flags of Armenia.

I stick a paper label April 1915 on my chest and walk out. It has been quite a topic with folks all the time! I remind all the REAL HOLOCAUST Deniers are the ones who deny the Armenian Genocide - the Ugly Witch of State Department, the US Secretary of State & the Israeli War Machine! Not the Iranian president who simply has questioned the extent of the WWII Holocaust, the SECOND Holocaust of 20th Century!

So far so good!

NR

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From: Armenhirant@ aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:12:50 EDT
Subject: Noubar please e-mail this to your lists. Thanks - Armen
To: noubarpoladian@ yahoo.com

Dear Friends

Over the past couple of years, in the month of April,?I have written a letter of commemoration about the Genocide?addressed to non Armenian friends?using themes from my own family history: an incident, a recollection, ?grandma, grandpa,?language, etc.?
I have received very positive feedback. Year over year the circle has expanded and ?I'll do the same this year.
The most appealing factor to the receiver is the personal touch, and it serves several purposes. I think it's effective compared to reading a column in the newspaper.
?
Just a thought, if 5,000?Armenians each write to a dozen non Armenian friends, then 60,000 non Armenians will commemorate with us by just sharing the?information and emotions?expressed in the e-mails.
?
It is achievable when you consider that more than 22,000 people signed on PBS petition last year,?a task which was much more difficult than what is proposed. Devote a few minutes to honour the memory of the victims and write a note to your non Armenian friends.
Ask your Armenian friends to do the same.
?
Sincerely,

Son of an Armenian Genocide surviver

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Posted by: "Noubar Poladian" noubarpoladian@yahoo.com noubarpoladian
Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:08 am (PST)

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Messages In This Digest (15 Messages)
1a. Re: Dr. Eric Weitz on the Armenian Genocide Part I From: Nader Rastegar
2a. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl From: Nader Rastegar
2b. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl From: Gerald Gerjekian
3a. Re: Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van) From: Nader Rastegar
3b. Re: Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van) From: VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi
3c. Re: Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van) From: Nader Rastegar
4. A Must see film: Journey To Armenia From: Charlotte
5. 40 Days of Musa Dagh: sample (Sylvester Stallone adaptation is not g From: VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi
6. Nevada Governor's Proclamation From: Artin Boghossian
7. In Chicago, Ara Tekian describes the journey of a lifetime: climbing From: Noubar Poladian
8. Egypt and Armenia discuss Iran's nuclear programme From: Nader Rastegar
9. What will you do in April? From: Artin Boghossian
10. PBS/FRONTLINE: "NEWS WAR" From: yousuf_yacoub
11. COMMEMORATION OF THE 92nd ANNIVERSARY OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE TO BE From: Ara Ashjian
12. Fwd: FW: From Avak Serpazan From: Ara Ashjian
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1a. Re: Dr. Eric Weitz on the Armenian Genocide Part I
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:55 am (PST)
This is great! Whomever thought this up to get this professor to be interviewed, did a good job.

Ten more such thing, then a "seminar" can be set up!
Part II is:
<http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=PYEoJBHuNtk& mode=related& search=>

Artin Boghossian <artinb@rogers. com> wrote:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=ObhjE3LtvfU& mode=related& search=

Professor of History at U of M and expert on history of genocide comments on aspects of the Armenian Genocide of 1915.

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2a. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:41 am (PST)
I am not sure what to say about this wikipedia page. This reads more like a Turkish Foreign Ministry advertising page! Something is wrong!

Plus, it puzzled me even more that Armenian Church arranged all Services etc - but could not inscribe the guy's name in Armenian on his Khatchar, gravestone?? !!

This is too slippery for me to accept it as is!

Ara <ara.gregorian@ gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a Wikipedia page on his background: http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Artin_Penik
There is also a link to a Youtube video with english subtitles: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=uh2f2qsc5Yg
~A

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "boomba" <mediterane@ ...> wrote:

anyone knows about Artin Penik who was he and what was his last words before he hi died?what was all about? since i can not understand turkish.Alex
http://video. google.fr/ videoplay? docid=-392525344 7481818118& q=armenian

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2b. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl
Posted by: "Gerald Gerjekian" ggerjekian@comcast.net keghi52
Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:31 pm (PST)
I agree with Mr. Rastegar.
At first glance, it just does not add up.
I have seen a few pictures and live television coveraged of Hrant Dink's funeral and every stone I have seen in Bolis has Armenian writing on it.

G. Nishan Gerjekian
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Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Google Video

I am not sure what to say about this wikipedia page. This reads more like a Turkish Foreign Ministry advertising page! Something is wrong!

Plus, it puzzled me even more that Armenian Church arranged all Services etc - but could not inscribe the guy's name in Armenian on his Khatchar, gravestone?? !!

This is too slippery for me to accept it as is!

Ara <ara.gregorian@ gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a Wikipedia page on his background: http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Artin_Penik
There is also a link to a Youtube video with english subtitles: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=uh2f2qsc5Yg
~A

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "boomba" <mediterane@ ...> wrote:

anyone knows about Artin Penik who was he and what was his last words before he hi died?what was all about? since i can not understand turkish.Alex
http://video. google.fr/ videoplay? docid=-392525344 7481818118& q=armenian
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3a. Re: Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van)
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:57 am (PST)
If I am not intruding in your private affairs, how did your grandmother get to be an orphan, Van Zakarean? It struck me in my heart that she got to be an orphan.

And if you care, if it would not be too demanding, can you transcribe the Armenian lyrric in Latin Letters?

Thanks,

Nader R

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fjm7v6XkLd4
Email me if you want the
PDF FILE of this song's lyrics in Armenian!

My grandmother -- an orphan from VAN --
learned this song in her ORPHANAGE!

My mother taught me!

VAN ZAKAREAN

============
VAN ZAKAREAN
FREE ARMENIAN REVOLUTIONARY MUSIC
http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
http://cdbaby. com/cd/vanarmeny a
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
VANArmenya: Tebi Moush-Sasoun
Enhanced AUDIO and VIDEO and DATA CD
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3b. Re: Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van)
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:46 pm (PST)

Merci for your interest, Nader jun.

I am sending you a PDF file separately with more information.

My grandmother was 2, from a very large, large, large
family. Kheyli bozorg, ziad bozorg, (Farsi)
shad lhoshor (Armenian).

Her grandfather was KRIKOR KAYA (Krikor the Alderman)
whcih meant her had an official responsibility as a leader within the Ottoman
Turkish system, as did many Armenians.

One day, they came and asked for him to come to a
special meeting just a few hundred yards from
their hom enear Van. Official Turkish military or police.

Krikor's wife was with a neighbor Turk, who either asked her to come
feeling guilty, as she knew the plan, or just for a daily tea.

A shot was heard. A bullet throught he brain.

"Alas, Krikor Kaya..." said the Turkish woman.

The Armenian family of my grandmother was then methodically
dissected. My grandmother' s sister (8 or 12?) was "sold" into
slavery (kidnapped/abducted ) for a Kurd or Turk. An
older sister or aunt fled to what is now Armenia (Yerevan).

The rest f the family was destroyed.

She was sent to an orphanage in Lebanon at the age of two.
She never learned of knew of the tender touch of a parent.
She died, and I always remember she had separation anxiety
and social problems which infected my family.
She hated what TURKS had done to her family with such passion
that one Thanksgiving she was told the turkey on the
table was called Turkey, and she smiled and jabbed a
knife into the enormous Turkey.

I will never forget the fury and the twisted smile on
her face.

Her family and life was turned upside down due to
a government decision of undersexed, impudent,
myopic, unfathomably evil so-called,
alleged "Turks" and their automatons from every corner
of the wonderful "Ottoman" Empire.
One knife through her and her 5 children and dozens of great
grandhildren and grandchildren would never be alive to
talk about the Crime of the Century...
and pass on these songs.

And the Turks call it the "BATTLE OF VAN!"

More like the MASSACRE of VAN with some courageous
self-resistance.

The 1914 VAN ARMENIANS had already donated all their young men
to the OTTOMAN TURKISH ARMY. Those men
NEVER RETURNED.

Everywhere the plan was the same.

Conscript then liquidate the men.
Annihilate the leadership.
Dissect the women and children.
GENOCIDE.

VAN ZAKAREAN

Nader Rastegar <ispahan1900@ yahoo.com> wrote:
If I am not intruding in your private affairs, how did your grandmother get to be an orphan, Van Zakarean? It struck me in my heart that she got to be an orphan.

And if you care, if it would not be too demanding, can you transcribe the Armenian lyrric in Latin Letters?

Thanks,

Nader R

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fjm7v6XkLd4
Email me if you want the
PDF FILE of this song's lyrics in Armenian!

My grandmother -- an orphan from VAN --
learned this song in her ORPHANAGE!

My mother taught me!

VAN ZAKAREAN

============
VAN ZAKAREAN
FREE ARMENIAN REVOLUTIONARY MUSIC
http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
http://cdbaby. com/cd/vanarmeny a
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
VANArmenya: Tebi Moush-Sasoun
Enhanced AUDIO and VIDEO and DATA CD
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com

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FREE ARMENIAN REVOLUTIONARY MUSIC
http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
http://cdbaby. com/cd/vanarmeny a
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
VANArmenya: Tebi Moush-Sasoun
Enhanced AUDIO and VIDEO and DATA CD
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com

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3c. Re: Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van)
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:31 pm (PST)
This story is the stuff legends are spun out of! Such a story must be told and re-told lest such inhumanity may be allowed to be forgotten - and again and again such crimes be committed against humanity!

One thing I admire Jews for very much is their determination "Never Again!" Though in this case along this process the victim has become more criminal than the original one!

If I were you, I would put whatever family photos you have and make a short documentary film and say this story in your own words with your own self as the narrator.

Start off with saying I am Van Zakarean! This is MY Story! One of the million and half OTHER Stories.

Play your grand Ma's lyrics. You would be honoring her Memory! And the Memory of a WHOLE People so needlessly and so brutally destroyed and so tragically DENIED JUSTICE for a whole Century!

Mark my words, your voice shall be heard! It gives folks like I to make sure of that!

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:

Merci for your interest, Nader jun.

I am sending you a PDF file separately with more information.

My grandmother was 2, from a very large, large, large
family. Kheyli bozorg, ziad bozorg, (Farsi)
shad lhoshor (Armenian).

Her grandfather was KRIKOR KAYA (Krikor the Alderman)
whcih meant her had an official responsibility as a leader within the Ottoman
Turkish system, as did many Armenians.

One day, they came and asked for him to come to a
special meeting just a few hundred yards from
their hom enear Van. Official Turkish military or police.

Krikor's wife was with a neighbor Turk, who either asked her to come
feeling guilty, as she knew the plan, or just for a daily tea.

A shot was heard. A bullet throught he brain.

"Alas, Krikor Kaya..." said the Turkish woman.

The Armenian family of my grandmother was then methodically
dissected. My grandmother' s sister (8 or 12?) was "sold" into
slavery (kidnapped/abducted ) for a Kurd or Turk. An
older sister or aunt fled to what is now Armenia (Yerevan).

The rest f the family was destroyed.

She was sent to an orphanage in Lebanon at the age of two.
She never learned of knew of the tender touch of a parent.
She died, and I always remember she had separation anxiety
and social problems which infected my family.
She hated what TURKS had done to her family with such passion
that one Thanksgiving she was told the turkey on the
table was called Turkey, and she smiled and jabbed a
knife into the enormous Turkey.

I will never forget the fury and the twisted smile on
her face.

Her family and life was turned upside down due to
a government decision of undersexed, impudent,
myopic, unfathomably evil so-called,
alleged "Turks" and their automatons from every corner
of the wonderful "Ottoman" Empire.
One knife through her and her 5 children and dozens of great
grandhildren and grandchildren would never be alive to
talk about the Crime of the Century...
and pass on these songs.

And the Turks call it the "BATTLE OF VAN!"

More like the MASSACRE of VAN with some courageous
self-resistance.

The 1914 VAN ARMENIANS had already donated all their young men
to the OTTOMAN TURKISH ARMY. Those men
NEVER RETURNED.

Everywhere the plan was the same.

Conscript then liquidate the men.
Annihilate the leadership.
Dissect the women and children.
GENOCIDE.

VAN ZAKAREAN

Nader Rastegar <ispahan1900@ yahoo.com> wrote:
If I am not intruding in your private affairs, how did your grandmother get to be an orphan, Van Zakarean? It struck me in my heart that she got to be an orphan.

And if you care, if it would not be too demanding, can you transcribe the Armenian lyrric in Latin Letters?

Thanks,

Nader R

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fjm7v6XkLd4
Email me if you want the
PDF FILE of this song's lyrics in Armenian!

My grandmother -- an orphan from VAN --
learned this song in her ORPHANAGE!

My mother taught me!

VAN ZAKAREAN

============
VAN ZAKAREAN
FREE ARMENIAN REVOLUTIONARY MUSIC
http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
http://cdbaby. com/cd/vanarmeny a
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
VANArmenya: Tebi Moush-Sasoun
Enhanced AUDIO and VIDEO and DATA CD
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com

.

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4. A Must see film: Journey To Armenia
Posted by: "Charlotte" charlotte.2762@sbcglobal.net charlotte.2762
Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:46 pm (PST)

"Journey To Armenia" by Robert Guediguian

at Canada Square, 2198 Yonge Street (South of Eglinton)
Show times: 7: 10 pm and 9:55 pm

Toronto Star has a GOOD review...

Sat Apr 14 : 7:10 PM 9:55 PM
Sun Apr 15 : 7:10 PM 9:55 PM
Mon Apr 16 : 7:10 PM 9:55 PM

http://www.thestar. com/artsentertai nment/article/ 202615

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5. 40 Days of Musa Dagh: sample (Sylvester Stallone adaptation is not g
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:46 pm (PST)
Here: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=p54a23H9kaw

40 Days of Musa Dagh -- Original low-budget version
: youtube sample Thanks SARKY MOURADIAN.
ps
(Sylvester Stallone adaptation is not
guaranteed but we hope he will go forward)
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http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
http://cdbaby. com/cd/vanarmeny a
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
VANArmenya: Tebi Moush-Sasoun
Enhanced AUDIO and VIDEO and DATA CD
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com

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6. Nevada Governor's Proclamation
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:49 pm (PST)

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7. In Chicago, Ara Tekian describes the journey of a lifetime: climbing
Posted by: "Noubar Poladian" noubarpoladian@yahoo.com noubarpoladian
Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:49 pm (PST)
In Chicago, Ara Tekian describes the journey of a lifetime: climbing Ararat

by Gary Rejebian

CHICAGO, IL – Some people dream of going to the moon. But for two prominent Armenians already at the peak of their careers, the journey of a lifetime led them to the summit of Mt. Ararat. In an engaging talk at the AGBU Chicago Center on March 4, medical education specialist Dr. Ara Tekian, a professor at the University of Illinois-Chicago, described the pilgrimage that he and epidemiologist Haroutune Armenian (President of the American University of Armenia [AUA]) made to Ararat last August, delivering a riveting presentation illustrated by more than 300 images. The two professors were joined by Dr. Armenian’s wife Sona, Dr. Varduhi Petrosyan (assistant professor of Public Health at AUA) and her husband Arsen Krikoryan, and Dr. Arthur Melkonyan (a former professor of Public Health at AUA). For Tekian, who in his childhood began drawing Ararat and even dreamed of discovering Noah’s Ark, the sojourn to the summit had become especially compelling in the last dozen years
during which he had made annual trips to Armenia to teach a course at AUA. He and Dr. Armenian thus decided the best way to celebrate the 15th anniversary of both Armenia’s independence and the founding of AUA was “to raise the Armenian flag on Mt. Ararat.” For the group of six Armenians making their way through eastern Turkey, however, not only the climb but the trip there and back became a spiritual journey. Coming to the mountain required a more than 500-mile drive to and from Yerevan – all to reach a destination that was less than 50 miles away as the crow flies. Regional politics are, of course, in the driver’s seat for the entry into Turkey from Armenia, with the group having only two options to reach Ararat from Yerevan: either travel through Iran, or take their selected route north to Georgia to double back along the sealed Armenian-Turkish border, which would afford them the chance to visit the ruins of three of the most significant locations in Armenian history.
Their pilgrimage began six months prior with extensive training to prepare for the strenuous climb.

You need to brainwash yourself that it’s possible…

“The commitment to climb Mt. Ararat is both mental and physical,” Tekian commented. “Mentally, you need to brainwash yourself that it’s possible. Then, physically, you need to be in great shape.” Tekian began dieting and exercising daily. He took a cardiac stress test. His colleagues suggested “spending a night in your garden,” so the cosmopolitan Beirut-born academician could decide whether he could endure camping outdoors in the rocky terrain. During the Chicago lecture, Tekian gleefully showed a photo of the bathroom facility at the first campsite: a hole in the ground behind a lean-to tarp. (Higher up, he says, “it’s all barren and there is no place to hide.”) Meanwhile, Sona Armenian secured an official government permit for the climb – a process that takes at least three months – and made arrangements with a tour company that provided a guide, a van from the town of Dogubeyazit (the only starting point allowed by the Turkish government), and horses for the first two
stages of the ascent to 10,560 and 13,800 feet, where there were campsites along the way. They had a different Kurdish guide for each elevation and campsite. The final hike started at 2:00 a.m. and they were at the peak (17,040 feet) at 6:30 a.m. Once at the summit, “the sense of achievement and pride was overwhelming,” Tekian said. “You feel so blessed and empowered – we were no longer looking upward to see the peak: we were at the peak. The first thing I did was to thank God for giving me the strength and opportunity to realize this dream. I prayed for my [late] parents who had always inspired me to visit historic Armenia one day. I prayed that my sisters, niece, nephew, and close friends could one day climb this mountain. So that was the first five minutes.” “We had plans to dance an Armenian folk dance and to drink the Armenian cognac that Arthur had carried all the way up, but we only had some iyran (yogurt diluted with water) because of the altitude. The temperature
was minus 30 Fahrenheit, and our fingers were freezing in the wind. We stayed only 20 minutes. You can see three countries from the peak: we spotted Turkey and Iran, but it was foggy over Armenia so we could not see Yerevan.” Tekian explained that descending the mountain is more difficult than climbing; their return took them almost 12 hours. Along their way, they encountered two other groups: a large group of Iranians descending at the second campsite (13,800 ft), and another six Britons camping an extra day for acclimatization. On the way home, the group continued tracing their cultural roots by visiting four illustrious relics in Armenia’s glorious past: the ruins of the 1st-century royal capital of Ani, the Varagavank monastery (former repository for a fragment of Christ’s crucifixion cross) and the Holy Cross Church of Aghtamar at Van, and the once cultured, diverse and wealthy city of Kars. While not expecting to find any breath of Armenian life among 1,000-year-old
ruins, the natural and especially the man-made desecration to the sites stirred passions in them for all that had been lost in the Armenian culture.

Among the ruins of Ani

“After seeing the most beautiful churches in Ani totally destroyed, we were repulsed by the lack of effort to save these precious historical monuments,” Tekian lamented. “Ani has for centuries been a ghost town, but since the area is declared a Turkish military zone, no excavations can be done. The Turkish government has not taken any measure to protect this world treasure. Negligence and vandalism have taken a heavy toll on Ani’s monuments.” Indeed, on four consecutive occasions from 1996 to 2002, the World Monuments Fund listed Ani among the “100 Most Endangered Sites” on its World Monuments Watch. Only one other site ever, in Serbia, had been listed as many times. Especially in the last 30 years, the Armenian monuments of Turkey have also been subjected to cultural cleansing of their Armenian origins. “There was no mention either at the gate of Ani or in the directory of the history of Ani that this city had been the capital of Armenia a thousand years ago. It was almost
unreal to see so many churches renamed as mosques, and their Armenian identities just obliterated. This is the moment that your ‘Armenian-ness’ comes to a climax: when you decide you need to do something – anything – to protect your rich heritage.” In the end, having reached a pinnacle and nadir in feelings about his ethnic identity, would Tekian say the trip was really worth a mere 20 minutes of wind-chilled ecstasy followed by desolation and heartbreak? “This trip was a spiritual journey, climbing a sacred mountain and visiting some of the most important religious centers in Western Armenia. It was a pilgrimage for me to trace my roots,” Tekian reflected. “Dreams do come true! Finally I climbed Mt. Ararat, and when the journey was over, I was a different person. I acquired such strength that gave me confidence, courage, and determination that there is nothing impossible in life. I now believe you can conquer any height and overcome any difficulty in life if you have the
determination.”

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Dr. Ara Tekian’s first presentation on climbing Ararat was delivered in Armenian in Geneva, Switzerland, last February. Schedule permitting, he welcomes invitations to give this talk elsewhere. E-mail him at tekian@uic.edu, or call (708) 445-0311.
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8. Egypt and Armenia discuss Iran's nuclear programme
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9. What will you do in April?
Posted by: "Artin Boghossian" artinb@rogers.com artinboghossian
Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:32 pm (PST)
When asked "What will you do in April", an Armenian elementary school principal responded:

"I encourage the students and Faculty to Celebrate Armenian Heritage Week - in Armenian and English including American/Home Room teachers!!

This year (I took the idea from France...), Classrooms N, K, 1- 6 - eight in total - will transform into a HAYASDANEE MAYRAKAGHAKNER and represent each capital city of Armenia - historical and current (Dikranagerd, Erebouni, Yerevan, Ani, Sis from Cilicia etc.). The classrooms will be decorated with artifacts, posters, maps, names, photos of prominent - past and present - Armenians who had roles in the life of the aforementioned cities.

Students of the classrooms will be the Tour Guides to "enlighten" the visitors about the city represented. Each visitor/student will have a Passport that will be "stamped" with a symbol of the visited city."

Artin

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10. PBS/FRONTLINE: "NEWS WAR"
Posted by: "yousuf_yacoub" yousuf_yacoub@yahoo.com yousuf_yacoub
Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:32 pm (PST)
PBS/FRONTLINE: "NEWS WAR"

On March 27, PBS/FRONTLINE broadcast "NEWS WAR," which included a
three-minute segment on slain Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant
Dink.
The program, which was part of a four-part series, examined
persecuted,
imprisoned and assassinated journalists in 2006. Photographs used in
broadcast were provided by the Armenian National Institute (ANI). To
watch the program online, go to:

http://www.pbs. org/frontlinewor ld/stories/ newswar/video2. html#.

For more information on Hrant Dink, including media reports and more,
please visit the Hrant Dink Resource Page on the Assembly's Web site
at:

http://www.aaainc. org/httpdocs/ hrantdink. htm.

The Armenian Assembly is the largest Washington-based nationwide
organization promoting public understanding and awareness of Armenian
issues. It is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt membership organization.

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11. COMMEMORATION OF THE 92nd ANNIVERSARY OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE TO BE
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:34 pm (PST)
COMMEMORATION OF THE 92nd ANNIVERSARY OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE TO BE HELD AT THE WISCONSIN STATE CAPITOL APRIL 24

On Tuesday, April 24, 2007, the Armenian National Committee of Wisconsin, State Representatives Mark Honadel, Jeff Stone and Robin Vos and State Senators Mary Lazich, John Lehman and Jeff Plale are hosting a reception and program to commemorate the 92nd Anniversary of the Armenian Genocide. This event will be held from 9:45 to 10:45 AM in the Assembly Parlor at the Wisconsin State Capitol, 2 E. Main St, Madison, WI 53702. The program will feature remarks from Representative Robin Vos, Senator John Lehman and Zohrab Khaligian, representing the Armenian National Committee of Wisconsin.
The event hosted annually by the ANC of WI gives the Armenian American community an opportunity to thank the members of the Wisconsin State Assembly and State Senate for adopting Armenian Genocide Resolution, which designates April 24 of each year as "Wisconsin Day of Remembrance for the Armenian Genocide of 1915 to 1923" and to continue to educate and promote awareness of Armenia and Armenian issues, particularly the Armenian Genocide.
The State Assembly had adopted Assembly Resolution 42 (AR 42) on May 2, 2000, while the State Senate adopted Senate Resolution 14 on March 7, 2002, thereby reaffirming the Armenian Genocide as a fact of history. The Armenian National Committee of Wisconsin has organized a commemorative event at the Wisconsin State Capitol every April (with the exception of 2006), since the Assembly adopted AR 42.
In addition to the State Capitol event, a joint memorial service will be held at 7:00 PM on Tuesday, April 24, at St. Mesrob Armenian Church in Racine, 4605 Erie St, Racine, WI 53402. The memorial service will include the participation of all four Armenian churches in Wisconsin: St. Hagop and St. Mesrob in Racine, St. John the Baptist in Greenfield and Holy Resurrection in South Milwaukee.
To note, the Armenian National Committee of Wisconsin is a part of the largest and most influential Armenian American grassroots political organization. Working in coordination with a network of offices, chapters and supporters throughout the United States and affiliated organizations around the world, the ANCA actively advances the concerns of the Armenian American community on a broad range of issues.
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12. Fwd: FW: From Avak Serpazan
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:34 pm (PST)
Dear Friends,

Defying many difficulties and security problems, a large number of the Armenians of Baghdad participated in Holy Week services and Easter celebrations. Attached some pictures of Easter Celebration at St. Gregory the Illuminator Cathedral near Tayaran Sq. in Baghdad.

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Messages In This Digest (15 Messages)
1a. Re: What will you do in April? From: Nader Rastegar
2a. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl From: boomba
2b. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl From: VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi
2c. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl From: hovig bedros
3a. Re: From Avak Serpazan From: Ara
3b. Re: From Avak Serpazan From: Ara Ashjian
4a. My Sardarabad performance on KCET (Los Angeles) From: Ara
4b. Re: My Sardarabad performance on KCET (Los Angeles) From: alalan@aol.com
5a. Re: Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van) From: VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi
5b. Re: Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van) From: Nader Rastegar
6a. On Mother's Karasoonk...!!! From: Mark Chenian
6b. Re: On Mother's Karasoonk...!!! From: Appo Jabarian
7a. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE! From: Dennis R. Papazian
8. BEARING WITNESS : COMMEMORATION OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE From: nahadagay1915
9. Take APRIL 24th OFF FROM WORK. Call the PRESS to cover the event. From: VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi
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1a. Re: What will you do in April?
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:09 am (PST)
Great! Send the content to us all. Maybe for next year we can do bigger things!

Artin Boghossian <artinb@rogers. com> wrote: When asked "What will you do in April", an Armenian elementary school principal responded:

"I encourage the students and Faculty to Celebrate Armenian Heritage Week ? in Armenian and English including American/Home Room teachers!!

This year (I took the idea from France...), Classrooms N, K, 1- 6 - eight in total - will transform into a HAYASDANEE MAYRAKAGHAKNER and represent each capital city of Armenia - historical and current (Dikranagerd, Erebouni, Yerevan, Ani, Sis from Cilicia etc.). The classrooms will be decorated with artifacts, posters, maps, names, photos of prominent - past and present - Armenians who had roles in the life of the aforementioned cities.

Students of the classrooms will be the Tour Guides to ?enlighten? the visitors about the city represented. Each visitor/student will have a Passport that will be ?stamped? with a symbol of the visited city."

Artin

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2a. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl
Posted by: "boomba" mediterane@bigpond.com bglo689
Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:51 am (PST)
we all should know how crude turkish propaganda is.Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Gerjekian
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Google Video

I agree with Mr. Rastegar.
At first glance, it just does not add up.
I have seen a few pictures and live television coveraged of Hrant Dink's funeral and every stone I have seen in Bolis has Armenian writing on it.

G. Nishan Gerjekian
----- Original Message -----
From: Nader Rastegar
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Google Video

I am not sure what to say about this wikipedia page. This reads more like a Turkish Foreign Ministry advertising page! Something is wrong!

Plus, it puzzled me even more that Armenian Church arranged all Services etc - but could not inscribe the guy's name in Armenian on his Khatchar, gravestone?? !!

This is too slippery for me to accept it as is!

Ara <ara.gregorian@ gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a Wikipedia page on his background: http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Artin_Penik
There is also a link to a Youtube video with english subtitles: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=uh2f2qsc5Yg
~A

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "boomba" <mediterane@ ...> wrote:

anyone knows about Artin Penik who was he and what was his last words before he hi died?what was all about? since i can not understand turkish.Alex
http://video. google.fr/ videoplay? docid=-392525344 7481818118& q=armenian
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2b. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:44 am (PST)
Don't say that too loudy!
Shhhh!
They think they are convincing people!
Please let them continue with their joke
propaganda and joke websites
sans correction!.

DO NOT let them know that the
world is laughing and shaking their
heads at their denials!

VAN ZAKAREAN (giggling)

boomba <mediterane@bigpond. com> wrote:
we all should know how crude turkish propaganda is.Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Gerjekian
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Google Video

I agree with Mr. Rastegar.
At first glance, it just does not add up.
I have seen a few pictures and live television coveraged of Hrant Dink's funeral and every stone I have seen in Bolis has Armenian writing on it.

G. Nishan Gerjekian
----- Original Message -----
From: Nader Rastegar
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Google Video

I am not sure what to say about this wikipedia page. This reads more like a Turkish Foreign Ministry advertising page! Something is wrong!

Plus, it puzzled me even more that Armenian Church arranged all Services etc - but could not inscribe the guy's name in Armenian on his Khatchar, gravestone?? !!

This is too slippery for me to accept it as is!

Ara <ara.gregorian@ gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a Wikipedia page on his background: http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Artin_Penik
There is also a link to a Youtube video with english subtitles: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=uh2f2qsc5Yg
~A

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "boomba" <mediterane@ ...> wrote:

anyone knows about Artin Penik who was he and what was his last words before he hi died?what was all about? since i can not understand turkish.Alex
http://video. google.fr/ videoplay? docid=-392525344 7481818118& q=armenian

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FREE ARMENIAN REVOLUTIONARY MUSIC
http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
http://cdbaby. com/cd/vanarmeny a
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
VANArmenya: Tebi Moush-Sasoun
Enhanced AUDIO and VIDEO and DATA CD
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2c. Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK, Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Googl
Posted by: "hovig bedros" hovhanes@googlemail.com joha1979
Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:07 am (PST)
Hi Van Zakarean,
how are u?
I like your writings! And also the vids which you spread. But the music is
little bit too modern for me, i like it more old fashioned.

But im listening it now! Thanks.
Im just curios about you. Are you an young guy or an some would say "a older
boy" :D ?
I start with me, im anune hovig'e. I am born in Heidelberg/Germany my mum is
from Syria (Haleb) and my dad is an armenian/aramaen( syriac) from
Midyat/Turkey. Because of my private situation my armenish language is not
that good. But iam trying to improve it. I am an economy/financial business
student in the last year before my diploma.
I have done some armenian projects on the web and outside. If you are
interested i am a board member of the german-armenian studentsclub "HAIK" in
Germany! www.haiknet. de There you can also find a picture of me. Only if
you are curios. The website is not that finished and dont looks good.

Ok, why i am writing you? I have in my mind a new project and want to
explain it to you, that's why i am curios about you. But i want to inform me
before i tell something. (past history makes me to do this, i hope you
understand)

Your Sincerely

Hovig
well impressed of your activity!

2007/4/15, VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi <vanarmenya@yahoo. com>:

Don't say that too loudy!
Shhhh!
They think they are convincing people!
Please let them continue with their joke
propaganda and joke websites
sans correction!.
DO NOT let them know that the
world is laughing and shaking their
heads at their denials!>

VAN ZAKAREAN (giggling)

*boomba <mediterane@bigpond. com>* wrote:

we all should know how crude turkish propaganda is.Alex

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gerald Gerjekian <ggerjekian@comcast. net>
*To:* armenian@yahoogroup s.com
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:46 PM
*Subject:* Re: {Armenian group} Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK,
Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Google Video

I agree with Mr. Rastegar.
At first glance, it just does not add up.
I have seen a few pictures and live television coveraged of Hrant Dink's
funeral and every stone I have seen in Bolis has Armenian writing on it.

G. Nishan Gerjekian

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Nader Rastegar <ispahan1900@ yahoo.com>
*To:* armenian@yahoogroup s.com
*Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:52 AM
*Subject:* Re: {Armenian group} Re: The Last Words of Artin PENIK,
Armenian Terrorism, ASALA - Google Video
I am not sure what to say about this wikipedia page. This reads more
like a Turkish Foreign Ministry advertising page! Something is wrong!
Plus, it puzzled me even more that Armenian Church arranged all Services
etc - but could not inscribe the guy's name in Armenian on his Khatchar,
gravestone?? !!
This is too slippery for me to accept it as is!
*Ara <ara.gregorian@ gmail.com>* wrote:

Here is a Wikipedia page on his background:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Artin_Penik
There is also a link to a Youtube video with english subtitles:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=uh2f2qsc5Yg
~A
--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "boomba" <mediterane@ ...> wrote: anyone knows about Artin Penik who was he and what was his last words
before he hi died?what was all about? since i can not understand
turkish.Alex
http://video. google.fr/ videoplay? docid=-392525344 7481818118& q=armenian

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FREE ARMENIAN REVOLUTIONARY MUSIC
http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
http://cdbaby. com/cd/vanarmeny a
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
VANArmenya: Tebi Moush-Sasoun
Enhanced AUDIO and VIDEO and DATA CD
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com

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3a. Re: From Avak Serpazan
Posted by: "Ara" ara.gregorian@gmail.com ara.gregorian
Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:52 am (PST)

Dear Ara,

Since photos or file attachments do not get posted either online on the
group page or in the emails sent to the group, may I suggest that group
members upload pictures or files to the group's photo album or files
pages: http://ph.groups. yahoo.com/ group/armenian/ photos
<http://ph.groups. yahoo.com/ group/armenian/ photos> and provide a link
in their posting. This way we may all be able to share.

Thanks.
~A

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, Ara Ashjian <ara_ashjian@ ...> wrote:

Dear Friends,

Defying many difficulties and security problems, a large number of the
Armenians of Baghdad participated in Holy Week services and Easter
celebrations. Attached some pictures of Easter Celebration at St.
Gregory the Illuminator Cathedral near Tayaran Sq. in Baghdad.

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3b. Re: From Avak Serpazan
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:29 am (PST)
Dear Ara,
I agree with you. But isn't it hard to carry out practically? ?
With regards,
Ara

Ara <ara.gregorian@ gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ara,
Since photos or file attachments do not get posted either online on the group page or in the emails sent to the group, may I suggest that group members upload pictures or files to the group's photo album or files pages: http://ph.groups. yahoo.com/ group/armenian/ photos and provide a link in their posting. This way we may all be able to share.
Thanks.
~A

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, Ara Ashjian <ara_ashjian@ ...> wrote:

Dear Friends,

Defying many difficulties and security problems, a large number of the Armenians of Baghdad participated in Holy Week services and Easter celebrations. Attached some pictures of Easter Celebration at St. Gregory the Illuminator Cathedral near Tayaran Sq. in Baghdad.

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4a. My Sardarabad performance on KCET (Los Angeles)
Posted by: "Ara" ara.gregorian@gmail.com ara.gregorian
Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:54 am (PST)
My Sardarabad

Sunday, April 15, 4:00pm

CHANNEL 28 (KCET)
Ara Gevorkian performs at the Sardarabad Monument in Armenia. KCET
presents a Musical Program presented by Robert Kachadourian and Sarkis
Berberyan remembering the Armenian Genocide. Music by Ara Gevorkian.
Vocalist Daniel Decker.

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4b. Re: My Sardarabad performance on KCET (Los Angeles)
Posted by: "alalan@aol.com" alalan@aol.com anahidmatevosian
Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:55 pm (PST)

Thanks for positing the event!
Bless you......... it made my Sunday
anahid

My Sardarabad

Sunday, April 15, 4:00pm
CHANNEL 28 (KCET)
Ara Gevorkian performs at the Sardarabad Monument in Armenia.

KCET presents a Musical Program presented by Robert Kachadourian and Sarkis
Berberyan remembering the Armenian Genocide. Music by Ara Gevorkian. Vocalist
Daniel Decker.

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5a. Re: Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van)
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:36 am (PST)
Dear Nader:

Good idea! You are a fine gentleman and a kind person.
I will do that this year. Not this month, but this year.
I will discuss the history with my
mother, and document it.
It is a brilliant idea.

It is sad to dwell, but when there is active
denial, and too much focus on
"1.5 million" (abstract) and not enough about
"the one person" (concrete), ther eneeds
to be more focus, then, on the "one person."

When I am done I will send it to you all!

VAN ZAKAREAN

Nader Rastegar <ispahan1900@ yahoo.com> wrote:
This story is the stuff legends are spun out of! Such a story must be told and re-told lest such inhumanity may be allowed to be forgotten - and again and again such crimes be committed against humanity!

One thing I admire Jews for very much is their determination "Never Again!" Though in this case along this process the victim has become more criminal than the original one!

If I were you, I would put whatever family photos you have and make a short documentary film and say this story in your own words with your own self as the narrator.

Start off with saying I am Van Zakarean! This is MY Story! One of the million and half OTHER Stories.

Play your grand Ma's lyrics. You would be honoring her Memory! And the Memory of a WHOLE People so needlessly and so brutally destroyed and so tragically DENIED JUSTICE for a whole Century!

Mark my words, your voice shall be heard! It gives folks like I to make sure of that!

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:

Merci for your interest, Nader jun.

I am sending you a PDF file separately with more information.

My grandmother was 2, from a very large, large, large
family. Kheyli bozorg, ziad bozorg, (Farsi)
shad lhoshor (Armenian).

Her grandfather was KRIKOR KAYA (Krikor the Alderman)
whcih meant her had an official responsibility as a leader within the Ottoman
Turkish system, as did many Armenians.

One day, they came and asked for him to come to a
special meeting just a few hundred yards from
their hom enear Van. Official Turkish military or police.

Krikor's wife was with a neighbor Turk, who either asked her to come
feeling guilty, as she knew the plan, or just for a daily tea.

A shot was heard. A bullet throught he brain.

"Alas, Krikor Kaya..." said the Turkish woman.

The Armenian family of my grandmother was then methodically
dissected. My grandmother' s sister (8 or 12?) was "sold" into
slavery (kidnapped/abducted ) for a Kurd or Turk. An
older sister or aunt fled to what is now Armenia (Yerevan).

The rest f the family was destroyed.

She was sent to an orphanage in Lebanon at the age of two.
She never learned of knew of the tender touch of a parent.
She died, and I always remember she had separation anxiety
and social problems which infected my family.
She hated what TURKS had done to her family with such passion
that one Thanksgiving she was told the turkey on the
table was called Turkey, and she smiled and jabbed a
knife into the enormous Turkey.

I will never forget the fury and the twisted smile on
her face.

Her family and life was turned upside down due to
a government decision of undersexed, impudent,
myopic, unfathomably evil so-called,
alleged "Turks" and their automatons from every corner
of the wonderful "Ottoman" Empire.
One knife through her and her 5 children and dozens of great
grandhildren and grandchildren would never be alive to
talk about the Crime of the Century...
and pass on these songs.

And the Turks call it the "BATTLE OF VAN!"

More like the MASSACRE of VAN with some courageous
self-resistance.

The 1914 VAN ARMENIANS had already donated all their young men
to the OTTOMAN TURKISH ARMY. Those men
NEVER RETURNED.

Everywhere the plan was the same.

Conscript then liquidate the men.
Annihilate the leadership.
Dissect the women and children.
GENOCIDE.

VAN ZAKAREAN

Nader Rastegar <ispahan1900@ yahoo.com> wrote:
If I am not intruding in your private affairs, how did your grandmother get to be an orphan, Van Zakarean? It struck me in my heart that she got to be an orphan.

And if you care, if it would not be too demanding, can you transcribe the Armenian lyrric in Latin Letters?

Thanks,

Nader R

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fjm7v6XkLd4
Email me if you want the
PDF FILE of this song's lyrics in Armenian!

My grandmother -- an orphan from VAN --
learned this song in her ORPHANAGE!

My mother taught me!

VAN ZAKAREAN

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http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
http://cdbaby. com/cd/vanarmeny a
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
VANArmenya: Tebi Moush-Sasoun
Enhanced AUDIO and VIDEO and DATA CD
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com

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5b. Re: Forgotten MUSIC VIDEO: Vana Godoradze (Destruction of Van)
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:20 pm (PST)
You are a talented artist. I'm sure you'll do just fine! Sign on Papazian as Historian and Nalbandian as musical consultants! I'll be the critic!

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote: Dear Nader:

Good idea! You are a fine gentleman and a kind person.
I will do that this year. Not this month, but this year.
I will discuss the history with my
mother, and document it.
It is a brilliant idea.

It is sad to dwell, but when there is active
denial, and too much focus on
"1.5 million" (abstract) and not enough about
"the one person" (concrete), ther eneeds
to be more focus, then, on the "one person."

When I am done I will send it to you all!

VAN ZAKAREAN

Nader Rastegar <ispahan1900@ yahoo.com> wrote:
This story is the stuff legends are spun out of! Such a story must be told and re-told lest such inhumanity may be allowed to be forgotten - and again and again such crimes be committed against humanity!

One thing I admire Jews for very much is their determination "Never Again!" Though in this case along this process the victim has become more criminal than the original one!

If I were you, I would put whatever family photos you have and make a short documentary film and say this story in your own words with your own self as the narrator.

Start off with saying I am Van Zakarean! This is MY Story! One of the million and half OTHER Stories.

Play your grand Ma's lyrics. You would be honoring her Memory! And the Memory of a WHOLE People so needlessly and so brutally destroyed and so tragically DENIED JUSTICE for a whole Century!

Mark my words, your voice shall be heard! It gives folks like I to make sure of that!

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:

Merci for your interest, Nader jun.

I am sending you a PDF file separately with more information.

My grandmother was 2, from a very large, large, large
family. Kheyli bozorg, ziad bozorg, (Farsi)
shad lhoshor (Armenian).

Her grandfather was KRIKOR KAYA (Krikor the Alderman)
whcih meant her had an official responsibility as a leader within the Ottoman
Turkish system, as did many Armenians.

One day, they came and asked for him to come to a
special meeting just a few hundred yards from
their hom enear Van. Official Turkish military or police.

Krikor's wife was with a neighbor Turk, who either asked her to come
feeling guilty, as she knew the plan, or just for a daily tea.

A shot was heard. A bullet throught he brain.

"Alas, Krikor Kaya..." said the Turkish woman.

The Armenian family of my grandmother was then methodically
dissected. My grandmother' s sister (8 or 12?) was "sold" into
slavery (kidnapped/abducted ) for a Kurd or Turk. An
older sister or aunt fled to what is now Armenia (Yerevan).

The rest f the family was destroyed.

She was sent to an orphanage in Lebanon at the age of two.
She never learned of knew of the tender touch of a parent.
She died, and I always remember she had separation anxiety
and social problems which infected my family.
She hated what TURKS had done to her family with such passion
that one Thanksgiving she was told the turkey on the
table was called Turkey, and she smiled and jabbed a
knife into the enormous Turkey.

I will never forget the fury and the twisted smile on
her face.

Her family and life was turned upside down due to
a government decision of undersexed, impudent,
myopic, unfathomably evil so-called,
alleged "Turks" and their automatons from every corner
of the wonderful "Ottoman" Empire.
One knife through her and her 5 children and dozens of great
grandhildren and grandchildren would never be alive to
talk about the Crime of the Century...
and pass on these songs.

And the Turks call it the "BATTLE OF VAN!"

More like the MASSACRE of VAN with some courageous
self-resistance.

The 1914 VAN ARMENIANS had already donated all their young men
to the OTTOMAN TURKISH ARMY. Those men
NEVER RETURNED.

Everywhere the plan was the same.

Conscript then liquidate the men.
Annihilate the leadership.
Dissect the women and children.
GENOCIDE.

VAN ZAKAREAN

Nader Rastegar <ispahan1900@ yahoo.com> wrote:
If I am not intruding in your private affairs, how did your grandmother get to be an orphan, Van Zakarean? It struck me in my heart that she got to be an orphan.

And if you care, if it would not be too demanding, can you transcribe the Armenian lyrric in Latin Letters?

Thanks,

Nader R

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fjm7v6XkLd4
Email me if you want the
PDF FILE of this song's lyrics in Armenian!

My grandmother -- an orphan from VAN --
learned this song in her ORPHANAGE!

My mother taught me!

VAN ZAKAREAN

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6a. On Mother's Karasoonk...!!!
Posted by: "Mark Chenian" markchenian@msn.com markchenian
Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:51 am (PST)

Dear friends.

Exactly 40 days ago, we lost a mother. My Mother, eternally closed her eyes, at noon, on January 14, on the historic Armenian New Year's Day, in Heliopolis, Egypt. My two sisters, Sirvart and Armine were with her, soon joined by Sirvart's children, my cousin Berge and wife Sona and their family. From Los Angeles, I was able to follow part of the last right's service by phone. Describing my mother's last facial expression, Sona said; "Shad kohounag oo khaghagh ardahaidootiamp devav eer herajeshde". She was buried in The Armenian Cemetery in Heliopolis, in her favorite dress, a gift of my brother; holding in her hands a khachkar, that my cousin Berge brought from Armenia last September.

We also lost, another survivor of The Armenian Genocide, the living witnesses of a failed attempt of a crime against humanity, the heroic generation that against all odds, over the last 90 years, survived, produced and nourished us.

Today, 40 days later, we are here for her memory, and with this hokejash to "Celebrate Her Life". A life, that at best had a very sketchy beginning. My mother never knew who her parents were and when exactly she was born. No names, no documents, no trace of her coming to this earth. What she knew and told me was what her saviors, the missionaries who named her Araxy, told her.

It was unfortunate that because of her long term poor health, she was unable to travel and meet you all. With your permission I will attempt to present her through my personal prism.

I estimate that she must have been a few months old when she was miraculously found, meticulously wrapped in baby clothing, the way a mother would do, and placed behind a tree covered with shrubs and leaves on the side of a road. I would venture and speculate that her parents, sensing the eventuality of their tragic destiny, hid her, to spare her from the same barbaric end, preferring her to die in the heart of mother nature. She was told that they found her in the Kharpert region. According to missionary memoirs and historians of the period, the mass deportations of the Armenians of the area started in late June and went through the first two weeks of July in 1915. Hence, my best guess is that, she must have been around 89 years old. This baby, like many others, through the German missionary network, survived and a few years later found herself in an orphanage in Antelias, today's Lebanon.

Soon after the end of the First World War, in late 1918, this 4 years old young girl, is moved to Greece, where there was an established orphanage with a school for Armenian orphans. At around age of 9/10, she was scheduled to be sent to America, when one of her teachers suggests that Egypt will be a better destination for her, were there were good schools for her to get an education. I estimate that around 1923/24 she landed in Port Said, and soon after she was in Cairo at a girls orphanage.

In those days, the orphans were taught Armenian and a trade. My mother ended up in the sawing school. One of her instructors, Digeen Eugenie, who apparently was a well know wedding gown specialist, almost adopted her; taught her the skills of pattern making and sawing, in her salon. As a child, I remember very vividly some of the beautiful wedding gowns that she worked on. I probably touched those gowns way before their respective brides and grooms did.

In 1939, through one of her fellow workers at the salon, my future aunt, also named Araxy, she met my father Manoug, and soon after they were married. She had 4 children, myself, my sister Sirvart, brother Varoujan/Marcus, and sister Armine. In her young age, this mother of four, was widowed, and the whole responsibility and the care of the family fell on her shoulders. Not quite a teenager yet, I could see and feel how hard she struggled to survive and take care of her children.

With all these daily difficulties, she always found time for her lifelong passion, reading. She read the Armenian Bible the mother of all translations, and the literature of our giants, Mashdots, Khorenatsi, Nareg, Shnorhali, and from more recent times, Apovian, Baronian, Dzerents, Medzarents, Varoujan, just to name a few, cover to cover, over and over again, through her 90 years. She also read our history, specially the early years of the 20th century, with her heroes like Antranig, and as she read, she would often pause and sing the songs dedicated to them, as if to communicate with them and signal that she survived and with her readings, she was keeping their memory alive.

Looking back, I cannot help but think that, probably throughout her life, through her readings and prayers, she was looking for the answer to the question that she had to God. How could The Armenian Nation, with her Golden Literature as proof to unquestionable commitment to God, be subjected to the biggest crime of humanity? I hope that now in heaven and closer to God, she was able to ask that question directly and received the answer, the answer that eluded her for a life time.

Looking forward, every year, on April 24, as we commemorate the loss of over one and a half million victims of the Disaster, let us also memorialize this heroic generation, that after dutifully completing their missions on earth, now they are joining their parents in heaven, the parents, that most of them did not even know.

As for today, my mother is looking down on us, with great satisfaction that this hokejash, The Celebration Of Her Life, was held in this cultural center, named after one of her literary heroes, Raffi. Special thanks to the Board of Directors for making this "sanctuary" available for her.

Later, when this Celebration will be over and we depart, she will turn her eyes over to Mount Ararad and Armenia, the Historic Armenia. Her lifelong dream was to visit her roots, but unfortunately her physical condition did not allow her. But now with a full view from the theatre of heavens, spread in front of her is the Stage, her Armenia, our Armenia, from Kharpert to Artsakh, from Ani to Dikranagerd. She will continue to read our history and sing our songs, waiting for the day, that, in the words of the poet, dedicated to Salty Lake Van's Yearning, .. "Vaneh Inchkan Taghtsod Menah, Your Sevanin Mishd Miyana....and goes on ... " Yes Gesbassem Tegooz Tarer, Took Shadatsek Hezoratsek, Veratartsek Zis Der Ganknek" ... and finally, "Choors Kharnek Mer Sevanin, Vor Yes Tarnam Nera Hamin". Lake Van's yearning was the yearning of my mother's generation.. .

Before ending, my mother would have liked for me to thank my two sisters, Armine and saintly Sirvart, who for the last quarter century, dedicated her life for the well being of our mother.

And now, I would like to thank my unparalleled wife Juliette for everything that she did for the last thirty plus years for my mother, for the last 40 days, and for all the logistics of today.

On behalf of the Chenian families spread over three continents, I thank you all for coming today to share our "Celebration Of A Life". And all of us for our collective loved ones, lets remember the words of another poet, ..Yete Hishadags Tarami, Akh Ayn Aden Yes Ge Mernem", "... If my memory fades, alas that's when I die".

And finally, please allow me for all our departed loved ones, to wish in Armenian, "Hoghe Veraneen tetev Ella, Yev Asdvadz Hokineen Loossavore". And I would like to conclude with my mothers very last words before her ascend to heaven, witnessed by my sisters, "Havadk, Hooys, Ser, Yev Khaghaghootiun" , Faith, Hope, Love and Peace.

God Bless Us All.

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6b. Re: On Mother's Karasoonk...!!!
Posted by: "Appo Jabarian" appojabarian@yahoo.com appojabarian
Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:20 pm (PST)
Very touching living memory indeed!

I sympathize with you and all your loved ones.

Appo Jabarian

--- Mark Chenian <markchenian@ msn.com> wrote:

Dear friends.

Exactly 40 days ago, we lost a mother. My Mother,
eternally closed her eyes, at noon, on January 14,
on the historic Armenian New Year's Day, in
Heliopolis, Egypt. My two sisters, Sirvart and
Armine were with her, soon joined by Sirvart's
children, my cousin Berge and wife Sona and their
family. From Los Angeles, I was able to follow part
of the last right's service by phone. Describing my
mother's last facial expression, Sona said; "Shad
kohounag oo khaghagh ardahaidootiamp devav eer
herajeshde". She was buried in The Armenian Cemetery
in Heliopolis, in her favorite dress, a gift of my
brother; holding in her hands a khachkar, that my
cousin Berge brought from Armenia last September.
We also lost, another survivor of The Armenian
Genocide, the living witnesses of a failed attempt
of a crime against humanity, the heroic generation
that against all odds, over the last 90 years,
survived, produced and nourished us.
Today, 40 days later, we are here for her memory,
and with this hokejash to "Celebrate Her Life". A
life, that at best had a very sketchy beginning. My
mother never knew who her parents were and when
exactly she was born. No names, no documents, no
trace of her coming to this earth. What she knew and
told me was what her saviors, the missionaries who
named her Araxy, told her.
It was unfortunate that because of her long term
poor health, she was unable to travel and meet you
all. With your permission I will attempt to present
her through my personal prism.

I estimate that she must have been a few months old
when she was miraculously found, meticulously
wrapped in baby clothing, the way a mother would do,
and placed behind a tree covered with shrubs and
speculate that her parents, sensing the eventuality
of their tragic destiny, hid her, to spare her from
the same barbaric end, preferring her to die in the
heart of mother nature. She was told that they found
her in the Kharpert region. According to missionary
memoirs and historians of the period, the mass
deportations of the Armenians of the area started in
late June and went through the first two weeks of
July in 1915. Hence, my best guess is that, she must
have been around 89 years old. This baby, like many
others, through the German missionary network,
survived and a few years later found herself in an
orphanage in Antelias, today's Lebanon.
Soon after the end of the First World War, in late
1918, this 4 years old young girl, is moved to
Greece, where there was an established orphanage
with a school for Armenian orphans. At around age of
9/10, she was scheduled to be sent to America, when
one of her teachers suggests that Egypt will be a
better destination for her, were there were good
schools for her to get an education. I estimate that
around 1923/24 she landed in Port Said, and soon
after she was in Cairo at a girls orphanage.
In those days, the orphans were taught Armenian and
a trade. My mother ended up in the sawing school.
One of her instructors, Digeen Eugenie, who
apparently was a well know wedding gown specialist,
almost adopted her; taught her the skills of pattern
making and sawing, in her salon. As a child, I
remember very vividly some of the beautiful wedding
gowns that she worked on. I probably touched those
gowns way before their respective brides and grooms did.
In 1939, through one of her fellow workers at the
salon, my future aunt, also named Araxy, she met my
father Manoug, and soon after they were married. She
had 4 children, myself, my sister Sirvart, brother
Varoujan/Marcus, and sister Armine. In her young
age, this mother of four, was widowed, and the whole
responsibility and the care of the family fell on
her shoulders. Not quite a teenager yet, I could see
and feel how hard she struggled to survive and take
care of her children.
With all these daily difficulties, she always found
time for her lifelong passion, reading. She read the
Armenian Bible the mother of all translations, and
the literature of our giants, Mashdots, Khorenatsi,
Nareg, Shnorhali, and from more recent times,
just to name a few, cover to cover, over and over
again, through her 90 years. She also read our
history, specially the early years of the 20th
century, with her heroes like Antranig, and as she
read, she would often pause and sing the songs
dedicated to them, as if to communicate with them
and signal that she survived and with her readings,
she was keeping their memory alive.
Looking back, I cannot help but think that, probably
throughout her life, through her readings and
prayers, she was looking for the answer to the
question that she had to God. How could The Armenian
Nation, with her Golden Literature as proof to
unquestionable commitment to God, be subjected to
the biggest crime of humanity? I hope that now in
heaven and closer to God, she was able to ask that
question directly and received the answer, the
answer that eluded her for a life time.
Looking forward, every year, on April 24, as we
commemorate the loss of over one and a half million
victims of the Disaster, let us also memorialize
this heroic generation, that after dutifully
completing their missions on earth, now they are
joining their parents in heaven, the parents, that
most of them did not even know.
As for today, my mother is looking down on us, with
great satisfaction that this hokejash, The
Celebration Of Her Life, was held in this cultural
center, named after one of her literary heroes,
Raffi. Special thanks to the Board of Directors for
making this "sanctuary" available for her.
Later, when this Celebration will be over and we
depart, she will turn her eyes over to Mount Ararad
and Armenia, the Historic Armenia. Her lifelong
dream was to visit her roots, but unfortunately her
physical condition did not allow her. But now with a
full view from the theatre of heavens, spread in
front of her is the Stage, her Armenia, our Armenia,
from Kharpert to Artsakh, from Ani to Dikranagerd.
She will continue to read our history and sing our
songs, waiting for the day, that, in the words of
the poet, dedicated to Salty Lake Van's Yearning, ..
"Vaneh Inchkan Taghtsod Menah, Your Sevanin Mishd
Miyana....and goes on ... " Yes Gesbassem Tegooz
Tarer, Took Shadatsek Hezoratsek, Veratartsek Zis
Der Ganknek" ... and finally, "Choors Kharnek Mer
yearning was the yearning of my mother's
generation.. .
Before ending, my mother would have liked for me to
thank my two sisters, Armine and saintly Sirvart,
who for the last quarter century, dedicated her life
for the well being of our mother.
And now, I would like to thank my unparalleled wife
Juliette for everything that she did for the last
thirty plus years for my mother, for the last 40
days, and for all the logistics of today.

On behalf of the Chenian families spread over three
continents, I thank you all for coming today to
share our "Celebration Of A Life". And all of us for
our collective loved ones, lets remember the words
of another poet, ..Yete Hishadags Tarami, Akh Ayn
Aden Yes Ge Mernem", "... If my memory fades, alas
that's when I die".

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7a. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE!
Posted by: "Dennis R. Papazian" papazian@umich.edu
Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:20 pm (PST)
Many functions in the Armenian community have the same price for
children as for adults. The net result is that the parents don't come
or have to pay, let's say $80.00 for a banquet for an eight year old
child, or in some cases they come alone.

At best it keeps people away at worse it breaks up family life. Plus,
when the kids get older, that have not developed an interest in Armenian
functions.

dp

Nader Rastegar wrote:

Good job Van!

Whatever Professor Papazian be in for, I'll join too! Though I
applaud the intent, I am baffled by this case.

NR

*/"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com>/* wrote:
April 13, 2007
Dear Armenians:
I have one of the top 5 Armenian professors in the USA
on my side! Dr. Dennis Papazian,
Professor Emeritus
from University of Michigan, the Harvard of the
Midwest.
Anyone else going to get aboard this train?
LET THE CHILDREN IN FOR FREE!

Van Zakarean!
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*/"Dennis R. Papazian" <papazian@umich. edu>/* wrote:
I agree. We most often ignore our kids when it comes to
Armenian events, lunches, and dinners. $80 for a dinner
ticket to some functions drives both parents and children away.

dp
VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi wrote:

Dear Armenians:

I will not stop unless a year goes by and there are NO REPORTS of
the CRIME of charging Armenian children money to attend
Armenian plays!
Whenever there is a play, a speech, a performance, or a concert,
we must charge adults the full price. But the
children should be allowed in for free. TSRI!
Domsagner TSRI betk eh dank.
Be honest, when is the last time you gave up a nice seat at
an Armenian
event because a teenager took it?
Everyone complains about a lack of attendance.
Well, here is the solution:

1). Humans under 25 are FREE!
2). Most under 25 are in school.
3). Paents will not attend if they have to shell out money
for teens.
4). Parents won't go if they have to shell out $50 for
2 kids.
5). Children revitalize the community and older people love
looking at them.
6). The "children" will hear Armenian being spoken...and will
have an incentive to learn this LIVING LANGUAGE.
7). We increase activity and attendance.
8). Ashkhoujh ou gensounag kaghout@ bidi ashkhoujh yev gensounag
kaghout mnah. Meradz kaghout@ bidi taghvi ye te yerdasartneroun
garevorouteun chi dah !
9). Ays nakhatasouteun@ gu krem vor dajig lrdesner@
kichmu uspaghavdz mnan. Barab khosker al usem vor iskabes
khentanan. And that is exactly what the Turkish government must
NEVER EVER know. Or it will be our demies and most
of all lrrdesner@ togh shad chamich uden dak hatsov, ha nina
nina.
10). There is NO REASON to charge teens and children ticket
prices over $1. WHAT IS TH EINCENTIVE? We are PUNISHING with a
ticket price the poor parents who are the "most
Armenian" in spirit. We have them empty their wallets just
to keep their children Armenian.

What do you think?

VAN ZAKAREAN
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9. Take APRIL 24th OFF FROM WORK. Call the PRESS to cover the event.
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:30 am (PST)
If it is convenient, call local newspaper reporters and have
them interview your family for the day. it is what newspapers
are all about! START NOW!

I am taking the day off.
Are you?

VAN ZAKAREAN
P.S. You will lose money but
the discipline will pay off and you will
save alot more than you lost. Sometimes you
win (gain) when you lose (sacrifice).

PPS
Do not take the day off if it will
cost you your job
or your grade, of course. We have
enough angry people in the world.

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1a. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE! From: Vahe Tilbian
1b. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE! From: Dennis R. Papazian
1c. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE! From: VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi
2. Toronto Events for April 24th From: Charlotte
3. New York Times Editorial on Turkish actions to stop United Nations e From: Jake
4. Armenian Weekly Insert: Armenians and the Left Symposium From: Artin Boghossian
5a. Fwd: editorial From: noubarpoladian
5b. NY Times Letters the Editor: Turks and Armenians, Still Not Eye to E From: Ara
6. What Will change Parliamentary Electrions & How Elections will be From: Noubar Poladian
7a. Re: reply to Nader From: Nader Rastegar
8. Fwd: [iraqiarmenians] Fwd: FW: From Avak Serpazan(resending photoes) From: raffi baltaian
9. Fwd: Extreme poverty in Armenia From: noubarpoladian
10. (And Hillary?) Next US PRESIDENT, father Muslim, wastes not time in From: VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi
11. The Call to Arms of Serop Aghpiur: Tsri minchev Mayis 328! From: VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi
12. Sassounian's column of April 19, 2007: N.Y. Times Deals a Knock Out From: Ara Ashjian
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1a. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE!
Posted by: "Vahe Tilbian" vahet@yahoo.com vahet
Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:16 am (PST)
My 2 cents worth:
Dzur nesdink shidag khosink! Is the reason why only a handfull of
youth show up to Armenian events really connected to money? Allow me
to digress:

I have lived in, what are known as 2 small Armenian communities - my
first and current one in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, and the other
Vancouver BC Canada for 5 years. My opinions are pretty much formed
by my experiences in Canada (There are very few Armenians left in
Ethiopia right now anyway). As a member of the ACYOC it was decided
that we organise a free dinner/dance just for the youth to get them
together, get them into an Armenian Youth environment and eventually
bring them into community work. I repeat - the dinner was ABSOLUTELY
FREE - advertised by mail, e-mail, telephone and personal
invitations - only 16 people showed up, if i remember correctly and
8 of us were already ACYOC executives. Sad?

Do we really think that the youth not showing up to Armenian events,
not showing up to church, is all because of ticket prices? I would
think that the percentage is very small. Which Armenian parent will
refuse to pay 25 dollars for their kid to be brought up Armenian if
they themselves relaly do care about being Armenian? (I know i will
probably get a tongue lashing from this) The youth today, especially
born and or living in the western world have better things to worry
about. Nearly everyone in highschool and university works part time
but the money earned goes to bigger and better things. But who am i
to judge and think that someone else should spend 5 dollars, 10
dollars, 25 dollars for their heritage, for their church, for their
school for their agoump?! It is not my place to say where other
people's money should be spent but what is the reason that the youth
do not even show up for free events when it has been advertised by
mail, e-mail, telephone AND personally approaching and inviting
them? Even April 24, one of the most important dates for Armenians,
THE reason why we still call ourselves Armenians - no one below the
age of 40 shows up - again this is purely based on communities i
have lived in) "who wants to go listen to some old guy talk?" i'm
sure a lot of us have heard this before.

Small communities and parishes rely almost 100% on donations from
the community members and by organising events. I do agree that
children and adults should not pay the same amount - obviously this
would deter almost everyone from attending. But my point is that
abolishing ticket prices for youth will not all of a sudden fill up
the picnic field, the barahantes serah or the church with hundreds
of youth because that is not the main reason. Let us think about
what is keeping our youth away from all things Armenian (of course
not all of them ar staying away) Maybe it is important to start a
dialogue to see what the problems are, what needs to be changed for
the youth to be involved more.

Abolishing ticket prices, although will be perceeved as a good
gesture, will not encourage the teenagers and youth to show up. So
if the main reason for this suggestion is to pull the youth into the
Armenian community there has to be some other implementation. I wish
i knew what this should be - it just seems like some youth can't be
bothered, they don't care anymore what ARMENIAN means and have
completely assimilated into the culture they are living in. and then
there are those of us who cannot get enough. It is so sad to see
that what the Turks started in the late 1890's is still continuing
today. They tried to kill us off, make us disappear - they did not
succeed then but i am beginning to get scared that eventually they
will succeed in making all Armenians disappear if we all don't do
something about it. Let us teach our kids about Armenia and our
language. Let us visit our Hayrenik.

That's my 2 cents worth.
Vahe Tilbian
Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Dennis R. Papazian" <papazian@.. .>
wrote:

Many functions in the Armenian community have the same price for
children as for adults. The net result is that the parents don't
come or have to pay, let's say $80.00 for a banquet for an eight year old
child, or in some cases they come alone.
At best it keeps people away at worse it breaks up family life.
Plus, when the kids get older, that have not developed an interest in
Armenian functions.

dp

Nader Rastegar wrote:

Good job Van!

Whatever Professor Papazian be in for, I'll join too! Though I
applaud the intent, I am baffled by this case.

NR

*/"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@ ...>/* wrote:

April 13, 2007
Dear Armenians:
I have one of the top 5 Armenian professors in the USA on my side! Dr. Dennis Papazian,
Professor Emeritus from University of Michigan, the Harvard of the
Midwest.
Anyone else going to get aboard this train? LET THE CHILDREN IN FOR FREE!

Van Zakarean!
------------ -------
*/"Dennis R. Papazian" <papazian@.. .>/* wrote:

I agree. We most often ignore our kids when it comes to
Armenian events, lunches, and dinners. $80 for a dinner
ticket to some functions drives both parents and children away.

dp

VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi wrote:

Dear Armenians:

I will not stop unless a year goes by and there are NO
REPORTS of the CRIME of charging Armenian children money to attend
Armenian plays!
Whenever there is a play, a speech, a performance, or a
concert, we must charge adults the full price. But the
children should be allowed in for free. TSRI!
Domsagner TSRI betk eh dank.
Be honest, when is the last time you gave up a nice
seat at an Armenian event because a teenager took it?
Everyone complains about a lack of attendance.
Well, here is the solution:

1). Humans under 25 are FREE!
2). Most under 25 are in school.
3). Paents will not attend if they have to shell out
money for teens.
4). Parents won't go if they have to shell out $50 for
2 kids.
5). Children revitalize the community and older people
love looking at them.
6). The "children" will hear Armenian being
spoken...and will have an incentive to learn this LIVING LANGUAGE.
7). We increase activity and attendance.
8). Ashkhoujh ou gensounag kaghout@ bidi ashkhoujh yev gensounag
kaghout mnah. Meradz kaghout@ bidi taghvi ye te
yerdasartneroun garevorouteun chi dah !
9). Ays nakhatasouteun@ gu krem vor dajig lrdesner@
kichmu uspaghavdz mnan. Barab khosker al usem vor
iskabes khentanan. And that is exactly what the Turkish
government must NEVER EVER know. Or it will be our demies and most
of all lrrdesner@ togh shad chamich uden dak hatsov, ha
nina nina.
10). There is NO REASON to charge teens and children
ticket prices over $1. WHAT IS TH EINCENTIVE? We are PUNISHING
with a ticket price the poor parents who are the "most
Armenian" in spirit. We have them empty their wallets
just to keep their children Armenian.
What do you think?

VAN ZAKAREAN
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Messages in this topic (9)
1b. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE!
Posted by: "Dennis R. Papazian" papazian@umich.edu
Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:20 am (PST)
I think we are talking about two different things, although I agree
with your general analysis. I am speaking about dragging my kids to
events, not about events which they would attend on their own volition.
When a ticket price for a banquet is $80, I don't drag very hard.

Of course the real problem is multifaceted and difficult.

dp

Vahe Tilbian wrote:

My 2 cents worth:
Dzur nesdink shidag khosink! Is the reason why only a handfull of
youth show up to Armenian events really connected to money? Allow me
to digress:

I have lived in, what are known as 2 small Armenian communities - my
first and current one in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, and the other
Vancouver BC Canada for 5 years. My opinions are pretty much formed
by my experiences in Canada (There are very few Armenians left in
Ethiopia right now anyway). As a member of the ACYOC it was decided
that we organise a free dinner/dance just for the youth to get them
together, get them into an Armenian Youth environment and eventually
bring them into community work. I repeat - the dinner was ABSOLUTELY
FREE - advertised by mail, e-mail, telephone and personal
invitations - only 16 people showed up, if i remember correctly and
8 of us were already ACYOC executives. Sad?
Do we really think that the youth not showing up to Armenian events,
not showing up to church, is all because of ticket prices? I would
think that the percentage is very small. Which Armenian parent will
refuse to pay 25 dollars for their kid to be brought up Armenian if
they themselves relaly do care about being Armenian? (I know i will
probably get a tongue lashing from this) The youth today, especially
born and or living in the western world have better things to worry
about. Nearly everyone in highschool and university works part time
but the money earned goes to bigger and better things. But who am i
to judge and think that someone else should spend 5 dollars, 10
dollars, 25 dollars for their heritage, for their church, for their
school for their agoump?! It is not my place to say where other
people's money should be spent but what is the reason that the youth
do not even show up for free events when it has been advertised by
mail, e-mail, telephone AND personally approaching and inviting
them? Even April 24, one of the most important dates for Armenians,
THE reason why we still call ourselves Armenians - no one below the
age of 40 shows up - again this is purely based on communities i
have lived in) "who wants to go listen to some old guy talk?" i'm
sure a lot of us have heard this before.
Small communities and parishes rely almost 100% on donations from
the community members and by organising events. I do agree that
children and adults should not pay the same amount - obviously this
would deter almost everyone from attending. But my point is that
abolishing ticket prices for youth will not all of a sudden fill up
the picnic field, the barahantes serah or the church with hundreds
of youth because that is not the main reason. Let us think about
what is keeping our youth away from all things Armenian (of course
not all of them ar staying away) Maybe it is important to start a
dialogue to see what the problems are, what needs to be changed for
the youth to be involved more.
Abolishing ticket prices, although will be perceeved as a good
gesture, will not encourage the teenagers and youth to show up. So
if the main reason for this suggestion is to pull the youth into the
Armenian community there has to be some other implementation. I wish
i knew what this should be - it just seems like some youth can't be
bothered, they don't care anymore what ARMENIAN means and have
completely assimilated into the culture they are living in. and then
there are those of us who cannot get enough. It is so sad to see
that what the Turks started in the late 1890's is still continuing
today. They tried to kill us off, make us disappear - they did not
succeed then but i am beginning to get scared that eventually they
will succeed in making all Armenians disappear if we all don't do
something about it. Let us teach our kids about Armenia and our
language. Let us visit our Hayrenik.

That's my 2 cents worth.
Vahe Tilbian
Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

--- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Dennis R. Papazian" <papazian@.. .>
wrote:
Many functions in the Armenian community have the same price for
children as for adults. The net result is that the parents don't come
or have to pay, let's say $80.00 for a banquet for an eight year old
child, or in some cases they come alone.
At best it keeps people away at worse it breaks up family life. Plus,
when the kids get older, that have not developed an interest in Armenian functions.

dp

Nader Rastegar wrote:

Good job Van!

Whatever Professor Papazian be in for, I'll join too! Though I
applaud the intent, I am baffled by this case.

NR

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@ ...>/* wrote:

April 13, 2007
Dear Armenians:
I have one of the top 5 Armenian professors in the USA on my side! Dr. Dennis Papazian,
Professor Emeritus from University of Michigan, the Harvard of the Midwest.
Anyone else going to get aboard this train?
LET THE CHILDREN IN FOR FREE!
Van Zakarean!
------------ -------

I agree. We most often ignore our kids when it comes to
Armenian events, lunches, and dinners. $80 for a dinner children away.

dp

VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi wrote:

I will not stop unless a year goes by and there are NO

REPORTS of the CRIME of charging Armenian children money to attend
Armenian plays! Whenever there is a play, a speech, a performance, or a concert,
we must charge adults the full price. But the children should be allowed in for free. TSRI!
Domsagner TSRI betk eh dank. Be honest, when is the last time you gave up a nice
seat at an Armenian event because a teenager took it?Everyone complains about a lack of attendance.
Well, here is the solution:
1). Humans under 25 are FREE!
2). Most under 25 are in school.
3). Paents will not attend if they have to shell out money for teens.
4). Parents won't go if they have to shell out $50 for 2 kids.
5). Children revitalize the community and older people love
looking at them.
6). The "children" will hear Armenian being spoken...and will
have an incentive to learn this LIVING LANGUAGE.
7). We increase activity and attendance.
8). Ashkhoujh ou gensounag kaghout@ bidi ashkhoujh yev gensounag
kaghout mnah. Meradz kaghout@ bidi taghvi ye te yerdasartneroun
garevorouteun chi dah !
9). Ays nakhatasouteun@ gu krem vor dajig lrdesner@
kichmu uspaghavdz mnan. Barab khosker al usem vor iskabes
khentanan. And that is exactly what the Turkish
government must NEVER EVER know. Or it will be our demies and most of all lrrdesner@ togh shad chamich uden dak hatsov, ha nina
nina.
10). There is NO REASON to charge teens and children
ticket prices over $1. WHAT IS TH EINCENTIVE? We are PUNISHING
with a ticket price the poor parents who are the "most
Armenian" in spirit. We have them empty their wallets just
to keep their children Armenian. What do you think?

VAN ZAKAREAN

============
VAN ZAKAREAN
http://www.isound. com/vanarmenya
Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
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VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
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============
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Please pass this link to your friends.
It plays ARMENIAN SPIRIT MUSIC for about 30 minutes.
Enjoy free Armenian music, radio-style:
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VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
VANArmenya: Tebi Moush-Sasoun
Enhanced AUDIO and VIDEO and DATA CD
VANArmenya@yahoogro ups.com
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1c. Re: Proposal: ABOLISH CHILD TICKETS: Let youth in FREE OF CHARGE!
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:04 pm (PST)
I enjoyed reading your comments.
They really made me open up, here. Aloow me to just vent.
Sorry in advance to those I offend.

Only 16 people showed up!? OUCH! Tsavali!

Well, I agree with both of you.

Two different but inter-related problems, we have.

I was talking about things like a Saturday night
dance or a play or a concert where the adults
would number "30" with adult tickets and no
children would be brought. If child tickets
were "free" than "40 adults" plus "18 children"
would arrive, thus making it 58 people (nearly
double) with no added cost!

There is a huge difference between letting children
in for free at a DINNER DANCE (wher plates cost money)
and letting children in at a PLAY OR CONCERT
where an empty SRAH does not look good and
one full of children does not rise costs.

Let me also reemphasize that a quick visit to
MYSPACE.COM reveals that Armenian children
from America, Africa, Europe, etc,
are quite proud of being Armenian.

Getting them to socialize outside of
cyberspace is another issue. Perhaps a
talent show or a computer video game competition
would attract the youth. Young people are
sometimes snobbier than older people.

Maybe they want to spend the weekend on
the couch watching baseball instead of
listening to Arabic music at a dance.

I, too, get itchy when I hear "some old man"
talk, unless he is a Professor or a wise man.
I think having women speak more might be
a solution. Another solution is to make presentations
more alive--such as using powerpoint or
multimedia. And why do we need to be
talked to? How about an open microphone hour?

WHAT WE LACK IN THE ARMENIAN COMMUNITY
IS PEOPLE WHO ALLOW THINGS TO CHANGE.
CONSERVATIVE SNOT ONLY DOMINATE BUT
OPPRESSIVELY RULE THE COMMUNITY. THUS,
LIBERAL FREE THINKERS LIKE MYSELF MUST
DO ALL THE WORK THAT THEY DO AS PART OF
SMALL INDEPENDENTLY FUNCTIONING ENTITIES
KNOWN AS FAMILY AND CLOSE FRIENDS.

And there is nothing wrong with that. Who says I
need to go dance to Arabic music to be Armenian?
I prefer Van, Armenian music, and Gomidas-transcribed
music. And yet, I like ANY MUSIC in Armenian.

Even if I hate it--since I'd rather they listen to
Armenian music in Armenian with non-Armenian qualities to it
than listen tot he same music that is NOT IN Armenian.

HUMANS take too pasisonately to music. REMEMBER "DISCO
DEMOLITION NIGHT" in the 1970's? Armenians have a touch
of "GENOCIDE ANGER" and "PENNILESS REFUGEE ANGER"
all bottled up in there, too.

The YOUTH KNOW of that anger, but do not want to hear a
speech for 90 minutes. They prefer the crazy man with the
questions in the back...or the Turks who say
"genocide is lie." In fact, the omnipresent, ubiquitous TURKS
of the internet who DENY the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE are more
stimulating to Armenians to remain Armenian than are
any Armenian speechifiers.

HUMANS just do not want to sit and hear a
speaker. Bit a bard, with a guitar-like instrument.. .hmm...
a presentation that entertains --
we love it. Yes, indeed, the youth want something
that has to do with sex, drugs and rock and roll
AND ARMENIA. The SYSTEM OF A DOWN
concerts are SOLD OUT! How about some
handouts and some discussion. How about
NOT READING A SPEECH?

FOOD is important, too.
How about an ARMENIAN COOKING NIGHT!
Bring these supplies and we will show you how
to make TRCHOTS (Armenian cracked wheat
Bulghur Parsely Maghdanos etc. Vanetsie salad--
NOT Tabuleh (Arabic) but TRCHOTS (Van, Armenian))

Who is hungry, already?
See? We ar enot unlike animals!
We like FOOD and SHOW!

And INTELLIGENCE is the BEST, too!
We need more Professor PAPAZIANs,
more SASSOUNIANs and
JABARIANs and less boring Professors like
someone I won't say and
boring editors who never change their papers.

(No offense--I am talking
about speaking style. I actually like all 5 of these
wonderful people--3 named and 2 not-named).

We need more INTELLIGENT PASSION and less
ROTE MEMORIZATION. We also need LESS
RECKLESS PASSION and more CONSTRUCTIVE
PASSION.

Maybe VISITING ARMENIA is the best answer.
I hear it is better there now--less bribery and beggars.

Too bad we cannot say VISIT CONSTANTINOPLE or
VISIT BEIRUT or VISIT GLENDALE: our communities
there are no longer what we hoped. The truth is
we are down to our last city (Yerevan) and, unfortunately,
our last three dialects, it looks like. (Four, if you count
the badarak!)

The TURKS are just BUYING TIME while we wither away.

But wait. Are we withering away? Culturally-- yes and no.
Politically -- yes and no.

20 years ago (or even 5) we did not have RESOURCES
like MYSPACE.COM and
armenianlyrics. org (or .com)
and www.hamovhotov. com and
www.havesov. com and www.anca.org

We are METAMORPHOSIZING and my
point was THAT EVERY INDIVIDUAL COUNTS.

Each child leads to a new family.

Hayerenov al betk eh khosink.
Ov bidi ludzeh ays microsofti kak
fonteru khntir@ vor turuteamp hayerenov krenk
u gartank? Or should we use the alphabet
HAGOP DILACHAR (Armenian linguist)
invented for the TURKS?

VAN ZAKAREAN
P.S.

Trivia question:
Which is older? ARMENIAN MESROBIAN SCRIPT
or LATIN/ROMAN SCRIPT?

The answer may surprise you.
It is the LATIN/ROMAN SCRIPT!
26 letters verus 38.

Armenian is a NEW APHABET!
Just 1500 years old. An infant!

"Dennis R. Papazian" <papazian@umich. edu> wrote:
I think we are talking about two different things, although I agree with your general analysis. I am speaking about dragging my kids to events, not about events which they would attend on their own volition. When a ticket price for a banquet is $80, I don't drag very hard.

Of course the real problem is multifaceted and difficult.

dp

Vahe Tilbian wrote:
My 2 cents worth: Dzur nesdink shidag khosink! Is the reason why only a handfull of youth show up to Armenian events really connected to money? Allow me to digress: I have lived in, what are known as 2 small Armenian communities - my first and current one in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, and the other Vancouver BC Canada for 5 years. My opinions are pretty much formed by my experiences in Canada (There are very few Armenians left in Ethiopia right now anyway). As a member of the ACYOC it was decided that we organise a free dinner/dance just for the youth to get them together, get them into an Armenian Youth environment and eventually bring them into community work. I repeat - the dinner was ABSOLUTELY FREE - advertised by mail, e-mail, telephone and personal invitations - only 16 people showed up, if i remember correctly and 8 of us were already ACYOC executives. Sad? Do we really think that the youth not showing up to Armenian events, not
showing up to church, is all because of ticket prices? I would think that the percentage is very small. Which Armenian parent will refuse to pay 25 dollars for their kid to be brought up Armenian if they themselves relaly do care about being Armenian? (I know i will probably get a tongue lashing from this) The youth today, especially born and or living in the western world have better things to worry about. Nearly everyone in highschool and university works part time but the money earned goes to bigger and better things. But who am i to judge and think that someone else should spend 5 dollars, 10 dollars, 25 dollars for their heritage, for their church, for their school for their agoump?! It is not my place to say where other people's money should be spent but what is the reason that the youth do not even show up for free events when it has been advertised by mail, e-mail, telephone AND personally approaching and inviting them? Even April 24,
one of the most important dates for Armenians, THE reason why we still call ourselves Armenians - no one below the age of 40 shows up - again this is purely based on communities i have lived in) "who wants to go listen to some old guy talk?" i'm sure a lot of us have heard this before. Small communities and parishes rely almost 100% on donations from the community members and by organising events. I do agree that children and adults should not pay the same amount - obviously this would deter almost everyone from attending. But my point is that abolishing ticket prices for youth will not all of a sudden fill up the picnic field, the barahantes serah or the church with hundreds of youth because that is not the main reason. Let us think about what is keeping our youth away from all things Armenian (of course not all of them ar staying away) Maybe it is important to start a dialogue to see what the problems are, what needs to be changed for the
youth to be involved more. Abolishing ticket prices, although will be perceeved as a good gesture, will not encourage the teenagers and youth to show up. So if the main reason for this suggestion is to pull the youth into the Armenian community there has to be some other implementation. I wish i knew what this should be - it just seems like some youth can't be bothered, they don't care anymore what ARMENIAN means and have completely assimilated into the culture they are living in. and then there are those of us who cannot get enough. It is so sad to see that what the Turks started in the late 1890's is still continuing today. They tried to kill us off, make us disappear - they did not succeed then but i am beginning to get scared that eventually they will succeed in making all Armenians disappear if we all don't do something about it. Let us teach our kids about Armenia and our language. Let us visit our Hayrenik. That's my 2 cents worth.
Vahe Tilbian Addis Ababa, Ethiopia --- In armenian@yahoogroup s.com, "Dennis R. Papazian" <papazian@.. .> wrote:

Many functions in the Armenian community have the same price for children as for adults. The net result is that the parents don't

come

or have to pay, let's say $80.00 for a banquet for an eight year

old

child, or in some cases they come alone. At best it keeps people away at worse it breaks up family life.

Plus,

when the kids get older, that have not developed an interest in

Armenian

functions. dp Nader Rastegar wrote:

Good job Van! Whatever Professor Papazian be in for, I'll join too! Though I applaud the intent, I am baffled by this case. NR */"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@ ...>/* wrote: April 13, 2007 Dear Armenians: I have one of the top 5 Armenian professors in the USA on my side! Dr. Dennis Papazian, Professor Emeritus from University of Michigan, the Harvard of the Midwest. Anyone else going to get aboard this train? LET THE CHILDREN IN FOR FREE! Van Zakarean! ------------ ------- */"Dennis R. Papazian" <papazian@.. .>/* wrote: I agree. We most often ignore our kids when it comes to Armenian events, lunches, and dinners. $80 for a dinner ticket to some functions drives both parents and

children away.

dp VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi wrote:

Dear Armenians: I will not stop unless a year goes by and there are NO

REPORTS of

the CRIME of charging Armenian children money to attend Armenian plays! Whenever there is a play, a speech, a performance, or a

concert,

we must charge adults the full price. But the children should be allowed in for free. TSRI! Domsagner TSRI betk eh dank. Be honest, when is the last time you gave up a nice

seat at

an Armenian event because a teenager took it? Everyone complains about a lack of attendance. Well, here is the solution: 1). Humans under 25 are FREE! 2). Most under 25 are in school. 3). Paents will not attend if they have to shell out

money

for teens. 4). Parents won't go if they have to shell out $50 for 2 kids. 5). Children revitalize the community and older people

love

looking at them. 6). The "children" will hear Armenian being

spoken...and will

have an incentive to learn this LIVING LANGUAGE. 7). We increase activity and attendance. 8). Ashkhoujh ou gensounag kaghout@ bidi ashkhoujh yev

gensounag

kaghout mnah. Meradz kaghout@ bidi taghvi ye te

yerdasartneroun

garevorouteun chi dah ! 9). Ays nakhatasouteun@ gu krem vor dajig lrdesner@ kichmu uspaghavdz mnan. Barab khosker al usem vor

iskabes

khentanan. And that is exactly what the Turkish

government must

NEVER EVER know. Or it will be our demies and most of all lrrdesner@ togh shad chamich uden dak hatsov, ha

nina

nina. 10). There is NO REASON to charge teens and children

ticket

prices over $1. WHAT IS TH EINCENTIVE? We are PUNISHING

with a

ticket price the poor parents who are the "most Armenian" in spirit. We have them empty their wallets

just

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2. Toronto Events for April 24th
Posted by: "Charlotte" hye.class@yahoo.ca hye.class
Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:16 am (PST)
This is a listing of events that I know of in commemoration of April 24,
2007 if anyone knows of more feel free to add thanks.
Charlotte

APRIL 24 ARMENIAN
GENOCIDE CHURCH COMMEMORATION
Tue, April 24, 2007 at 08:00pm
Saint Gregory - The
Illuminator Armenian Catholic Church
100 Northdale Rd.
North York, ONT M2L 2M1

TORONTO ARMENIAN
CANDLELIGHT VIGIL
Thu, April 26, 2007 at 07:00pm
Queens Park
Queens Park
Toronto, ONT M7A 1A8

SCREAMERS FEATURING
SYSTEM OF A DOWN
May 04 - May 11, 2007
07:00pm
Canada Square
2190 Yonge St.
Toronto, ONT M4S 2C6

ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
COMMEMORATION
Sun, April 22, 2007 at 03:00pm
Armenian Community
Centre of Toronto
45 Hallcrown Place
Toronto, ONT M2J 4Y4

2ND ANNUAL ARMENIAN
MEMORIAL FAITH BUILD
Sat, April 14, 2007 at 09:00am
Armenian Memorial
Faith Build
8 Elsinore Path
Toronto, ONT M8V 4G8

THE VOICE OF THE
CARAVANS
Fri, April 20, 2007 at 08:00pm
Lecturer Perouz Seferian
Alex Manoogian
Cultural Centre
930 Progress Ave.
Scarborough, ONT M1G 3T5

ANC EUROPE UPDATE
Fri, April 20, 2007 at 08:30pm
Lecturer Ms. Hilda Choboian
Armenian Community
Centre of Toronto
45 Hallcrown Place
North York, ONT M2J 4Y4

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3. New York Times Editorial on Turkish actions to stop United Nations e
Posted by: "Jake" jakeg@armeniandiocese.org jakegdiocese
Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:22 am (PST)
PRESS OFFICE
Department of Communications
Diocese of the Armenian Church of America (Eastern)
630 Second Avenue, New York, NY 10016
Contact: Jake Goshert, Media Relations Specialist
Tel: (212) 686-0710 Ext. 160; Fax: (212) 779-3558
E-mail: jakeg@armeniandioce se.org
Website: www.armenianchurch. net

April 16, 2007
____________ _______

The Communications Office of the Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
(Eastern) brings to your attention the attached Op/Ed from The New York
Times. It is provided in the attached PDF format.

The Op/Ed, from the New York Times Editorial Board, concerns actions by the
government of Turkey to stop an exhibit at the United Nations dealing with
the Rwandan genocide. It all admonishes Turkey's government for their
attempts to deny the genocide, which The New York Times points out:

".every time they try to censor discussion of the Armenian genocide, they
only bring wider attention to the subject and link today's democratic Turkey
with the now distant crime."

The 20th Century began with the Armenian Genocide and it ended with the
Rwandan Genocide. Sadly, the 21st Century began with a Genocide that rages
on in Darfur. For humanity's sake, it is the prayer of the Church that
Genocide, of any race or people, be abandoned. There is little likelihood
that we can marshal the will to stop today's Genocides unless we can be
honest about those of our recent past. The Diocese congratulates The New
York Times Editorial Board's courage in addressing this issue and we repeat
our call to all men and women of good will to engage in fair, open and
constructive dialogue in the hope for conciliation and reconciliation of all
peoples.

-- 4/16/07

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4. Armenian Weekly Insert: Armenians and the Left Symposium
Posted by: "Artin Boghossian" artinb@rogers.com artinboghossian
Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:26 pm (PST)

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Subject: Armenian Weekly Insert: Armenians and the Left Symposium

Armenians and the Left Symposium Takes on Pressing Issues in Armenia and Turkey

By Andy Turpin

Armenian Weekly On-Line, Volume 73, Number 15, April 14, 2007

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (A.W.)-On March 31, less than a year after the hugely sucessful Armenians and the Left (AATL) conference in New York, scores of activists, students and intellectuals from across the Northeast converged at Harvard University for a one-day symposium organized by AATL. Co-sponsored by Harvard's Center for Middle Eastern Studies, the symposium featured leading Armenian journalists and media critics, groundbreaking environmental activists working in Armenia today, and outspoken proponents of meaningful Armeno-Turkish dialogue.

The panelists criticized the ruling elites-oligarchs and plutocrats-in Armenia, whose complicity in perpetuating endemic corruption has created enormous inequality and has placed Armenia's very sustainability at risk. They also took aim at the Turkish state which has created an environment of impunity for vigilantism, as was recently seen in the assassination of the Istanbul based Armenian journalist and human rights activist, Hrant Dink. Members of the audience engaged in active dialogue during lively and heated question and answer sessions, which were often as substantial as the presentations themselves.

Conceived by the ARF USA-Eastern Region, the series of public forums and conferences organized under Armenians and the Left strive to present Armenian issues in a global, progressive context. They are meant to appeal to all those-Armenian and non-Armenian- who have an activist mindset and an appreciation for what binds the various plight of dispossessed groups, and are alarmed at the menacing trends that are threatening the world and its people.

Panel I

Oligarchs, Social Injustices and Media in Armenia

A panel on "Media and Social Injustice in Armenia," moderated by Antranig Kasbarian, featured Armenia's foremost investigative journalist Edik Baghdasaryan of Hetq (www.hetq.am) , Khatchig Mouradian of the Armenian Weekly, professor Gayane Torosyan of the State University of New York and Steve Kurkjian of the Boston Globe as discussant.

Dr. Gayane Torosyan, assistant professor in the Department of Communication Arts at the State University of New York-Oneonta, spoke first." The so-called public sphere in Armenia is strongly dominated by various political parties and interest groups instead of being a truly public place for societal discourse, she said.

Torosyan said that a major factor was the monopolization of the media industry by businesses. "Instead of paying for advertising on TV, radio or newspapers, the most successful businesses choose to buy, bribe or influence those media in bulk to turn them into their mouthpieces. "

A successful Armenian businessman, she continued, could buy the entire Armenian media several times over for much less money than the cost of a Super-Bowl ad.

Torosyan quoted a recent report issued by the European Journalism Center in the Netherlands that assessed the plight of Armenian journalists; it said "that the biggest enemy of journalists in Armenia is the lowering of professional standards." She added, "The public trust towards media is hard to gain and easy to lose, with that trust vanishing day by day."

Torosyan then explained how journalism has been forced to transition and evolve since the fall of Soviet Union, primarily through professional method trainings exported from the U.S. and Europe. "The core of that transition of the new practices was the concept of objectivity, " she said, adding that it can be difficult to break the cultural trends that are still ingrained from the Soviet period. She quipped, "Is Armenian media democratic? In principle, yes, but the notion of objectivity should be viewed as the cornerstone of interventions into post-Communist media."

She explained that some, bolder Armenian journalists are trying to enact the Western style and act as watchdogs, but that there is fear of retaliation. "The shyer ones are simply respecting authority and using that as their hindrance," she said. "The low self-esteem among Armenian journalists can only be cured with assertivity, honesty, patience to avoid selling themselves to the highest bidder, and finally becoming an institution on their own."

Khatchig Mouradian, editor of the Armenian Weekly and former editor of the Lebanese-Armenian newspaper Aztag Daily, spoke next. He prefaced his remarks, titled "Free, But Not Independent, " by sharing an anecdote about negligent writers in Armenia once publicizing Peter Balakian's acclaimed book The Burning Tigris, as the misnomer The Burning Tigress. "I wanted to give this example to follow up on the professor's remarks on being thorough when dealing with news reports, trying to be objective, and gathering as much information as possible," he explained. "Or at least trying to deal with the information in a decent way."

During the Soviet period, he said, "There was a lack of interest for empirical truth and definitely no space whatsoever for investigative journalism. In the 80s and early 90s, however, we always speak about the Golden Age of Armenian journalism and media. This has been reflected also in other countries of the former Soviet bloc."

Yet, what contributed to the media's decline soon after independence was the gradual inability of the newspapers, radio and TV stations to sustain themselves. "They first came under the influence of the state, and eventually the influence of the state and oligarchs."

"The real investigative journalists in Armenia are the readers," he said, "[who] realize that they can't trust the media and that what they have to do is read different sources of information and to try to come up with a conclusion" of what's really going on.

Recounting a remark by another Armenian editor on the issue, Mouradian quoted him as saying, "The amount of money I receive for printing one article about a specific leader in Armenia is much more than actually increasing my subscribers by 200."

"I don't want to give the impression that the media is utterly controlled like in some totalitarian countries," he clarified. "The main problem is that different forms of pressure exist and there are different ways of self-censorship for personal gain."

He characterized the underlying problem among Armenian journalists. "They're free to say anything, but they're not independent and they're definitely not socially responsible. For them, being free is being free of moral obligation and social responsibility. "

Making a quick comparison with Diasporan newspapers, Mouradian noted that they "are controlled by political parties, churches and cultural organizations. There is very little criticism and a lot of collective silence."

He then discussed the options for countering these trends, pointing to blogs and online publications like Hetq for inspiration. "There has been an increasing number of blogs dealing with social, political and economic issues in Armenia. They create this very essential small space where people can interact, get information, news, and give insight that is not sponsored by this or that leader. . These can provide readers with alternatives. "

The final speaker of the panel was veteran Armenian journalist Edik Baghdasaryan, editor of HETQ Online and head of the Investigative Journalists of Armenia NGO.

Panel moderator Antranig Kasbarian translated his remarks from Armenian to English.

Baghdasaryan opened by saying, "The current circulation of Armenian newspapers is 40,000; meanwhile the population of Armenia is said to be three million. There's a disconnect here." He continued, "Ninety-five percent of these newspapers are circulated in the Yerevan environs. This means that essentially hundreds of villages outside of Yerevan and in Karabakh, have not seen a newspaper in years."

Baghdasaryan said that the majority of Armenians rely on TV for their news and information. "The public television station is viewed essentially as the property of the President of the Republic of Armenia," he added. "According to those news reports, everything in Armenia is just fine. Based on the facts from those channels, every day new factories are opening, every day presidents of other countries come and go, and every day there are new concerts."

He said that this purveyance of a distorted reality was greatly affecting the well-being and morale of the Armenian people. "In this programming, no Armenians are shown to exist outside of Yerevan. People feel isolated outside of Yerevan. They despair. They feel no one addresses even their existence."

He clarified, "This phenomenon applies to TV as well as newspapers. The people of Armenia are found in an information blockade."

Baghdasaryan said that the TV media in Armenia are under the supervision of the government. "There are private owners, but they purchase these networks at the behest of the government. The supervision of TV media often becomes a detailed affair. The presidential apparatus or administration will manage and micromanage who gets interviewed in the government, and how much time and space will be given to opposition voices."

He shared why this is reflective of a more dangerous, "more painful" cultural trend, against those who speak out with different views. "The media is gradually losing its influence within Armenia," he said. "In the United States, every so often a scandal will come out in the media and it will force people to resign from their positions amidst scandal. Unfortunately in Armenia these sorts of publications have no effect whatsoever."

He challenged journalists and citizens to speak out with hard facts and follow through. "The papers are constantly talking in general terms about corruption in Armenia. But they don't speak with specific forms of evidence. The problem is that when you start introducing certain forms of evidence, the state prosecutor's office is obliged to act on it." And so far, it has been unwilling to do so.

A very dynamic question and answer session followed. Baghdasaryan expressed enormous disappointment with the recent, large-scale investment of the Armenian-American Gerard Cafesjian in Armenia's media sector, decrying how the extremely banal nature of his programming without any role for monitoring Armenia's centers of power was only reinforcing the decaying influence of the press and the growing apathy of the Armenian public. Answering a question by the Armenian Mirror-Spectator, Baghdasaryan said, "No one has done more damage to the media [in Armenia] than Gerard Cafesjian. You have to see his broadcasts to understand [what I am talking about]."

Baghdasaryan also talked, with examples, about the importance of Diaspora pressure in the fight against corruption. Following up on this comment, Mouradian noted that Diasporan Armenians are actively involved in e-mail campaigns to obtain genocide recognition or to try and influence Turkey to democratize, respect human rights and the rights of minorities, etc., but they rarely engaged in similar actions to democratize and fight corruption in Armenia. He stressed the need for a coordinated effort to assist Armenia not only financially but in becoming more democratic at the same time.

Panel II

Environmental Politics and Energy Needs

A panel on the fragile state of Armenia's environmental conditions and energy needs, titled "Environmental Politics in Armenia" and moderated by Jeff Masarjian, featured president of Armenian Forests NGO Jeffrey Tufenkian, nuclear power industry expert Robert Kalantari, and founding director of Armenian Environmental Network Ursula Kazarian.

Jeffrey Tufenkian, president of the Armenian Forests NGO, spoke about the environmental zero-hour that Armenia is in right now.

"It feels kind of like we have our finger in the dyke. There are huge problems coming from every corner of the environmental front in Armenia," he said.

Describing the republic's lack of facilities, he said, "Besides deforestation and desertification we have solid waste issues. There's not one proper solid waste disposal facility in the whole country. Trash is being burned openly. Sewage waste, and to some degree toxic waste from industry, is going untreated into rivers and lakes. Again, there's not one proper waste sewage treatment facility in the country."

Tufenkian explained that these problems were no longer side effects of an energy crisis but the overt results of rampant corruption and slight of policy. "The current problem is based much more on a few wealthy oligarchs and other powerful people who are taking in trucks into the forest and taking out truckloads of trees. They're hiring local people, but it's a much more systematic illegal business operation."

"That's not to say they don't have permits," he continued. "They have permits for sanitary cutting, getting the dead trees out of the forest. But they're taking that one permit for getting dead trees out of the forest and using it for these healthy valuable trees in multiple places."

If you project at the current rates of destruction, in a few short years Armenia could be almost forestless, he said. "We see a lot of cutting and no new growth."

Speaking about other qualities of life that were at stake in this tipping of the balance, he explained, "Deforestation is not just losing trees. This is home for precious biodiversity. Over half of the six thousand different plants and animals of the Caucasus region are in Armenia. .We lose the forest, we lose habitat."

"We're moving to Armenia becoming a desert. Over 80 percent of land surveyed is under desertification. Myself, I've seen scorpions and snakes in Yerevan. It's literally a process you can see happening."

Tufenkian praised the past victories of environmental NGOs but reasserted the need both for more environmental activism and stronger anti-corruption measures to combat a political leadership that has no accountability to the public and the ravages of those who seek to profit off the land.

He ended by saying of the upcoming May 12 elections, "One of the biggest reasons for someone to vote is so that somebody doesn't steal their vote. There's a huge problem with that kind of corruption."

Robert Kalantari, an electrical engineer with 25 years experience in the nuclear industry, spoke about alternative energy solutions for Armenia with a succinct assessment of the current situation.

"Reliable electric power, as we all know, is vital to national security," he said. "You need electric power to be a country. Metzamor [Armenia's sole nuclear power plant] supplies 40 percent of Armenia's power needs."

He outlined the use of thermal energy produced from fossil fuels, which has a very negative environmental impact. "Burning oil has to be trucked in. That gets very expensive. You need lots of oil, thousands of gallons an hour."

Given Armenia's politics and budget, he said, this option was the least reliable, despite the recent pipelines in place from Russia and Iran. "When you pipe, you're at the mercy of foreign governments. Right now we have one friendly government, Iran."

He praised the low output/low risk but also high-cost option of wind power. "Armenia has the potential for wind farms. . [It] has actually completed the first wind farm in the Caucasus. It is in its early stages and it's costly."

Regarding solar power, he said that large amounts of sunlight, which are not always available in Armenia, are needed, and that solar panel production is toxic to workers, although it's currently used primarily in Korea.

Geothermal energy is another option, Kalantari said. "Armenia should have some potential for geothermal. But we have to do further research on where to put these plants. .Funding has been provided, believe it or not, for the construction of a 150-megawatt geothermal plant in the Sunik Marz. Supposedly it will be completed by 2009."

He appeared to be most in favor of maintaining or increasing Armenia's use of nuclear power, due to its higher output and lower long-term cost ratio. He weighed the consequences of nuclear energy, beginning with the bad news. "Armenia is right now storing all their waste on site. Russia is not taking it right now. That's a concern."

Assuaging possible concerns about the presently used Metzamor plant, he said, "It is not a Chernobyl-style reactor, and I want to emphasize that. The Armenian reactor is not an RBMK, the one that exploded. It's scheduled to be closed in 2016, that's the end of a 30-year life."

Kalantari defended the use of Metzamor as logical power source for the moment. "If you shut down Metzamor, it's going to be a major blow to the country's resistance [to the energy crisis]. . Metzamor must continue to operate until there's an alternative, and we hope that alternative is in the near future. 2016 is around the corner."

Kalantari ended his remarks with a stress on the use of all options. But he reiterated that decisions must be made on future polices. "Armenia needs to include all viable options for safe and reliable power. But you can't build these plants overnight. Every option has pros and cons to be discussed. Cost would be a major issue, same with construction time."

The final panelist to discuss environmental issues, specifically the role of activism, was Ursula Kazarian, director of the Armenian Environmental Network NGO.

She initiated her remarks by universalizing the issue of Armenia and the environment. "Armenia is not specific in environmental problems," she said. "We can learn so much from other countries that have had similar issues and have done many things to improve their situation. And we do have a unique resource at our disposal in having the Diaspora. Most countries that have these problems don't have such an active Diaspora, the human capital to make things better."

She said the sectors in Armenia that need the most emphasis and support are public health, transparency and economic development. "The truth is, the environment is extremely and intricately connected to our everyday lives."

Kazarian added, "When you read in a newspaper, for instance, that in Yerevan there is a large rainstorm and the next day a hundred people go to the hospital, that's connected. Why? Because the pipes broke and the water was contaminated. People drank the water and got sick."

Kazarian also praised the great potential for environmental activism in Armenia, provided ordinary people are given real information on how crucial the issues are to their well-being. She said, "Once they know that their water is contaminated, they get active. They don't want to be sick."

She concluded by suggesting low impact farming techniques and training initiatives that could be implemented in Armenia given enough grassroots and government support. "A lot of times we talk about economic development versus the environment. That doesn't have to be the case."

During the question and answer session, Edik Baghdasaryan noted that the environmental NGOs do not lobby political parties in Armenia, which is why none of the parties give any priority to environmental issues in their platform. The panelists acknowledged that fact.

Many questions also concerned Armenia's energy needs and the situation with the Medzamor plant.

Panel III

Asymmetry of Power, Recognition Politics and Coalition Building

During the final plenary session, moderated by Dikran Kaligian, professors Peter Balakian of Colgate University, Halil Berktay of Sabanci University in Turkey and Henry Theriault of Worcester State College explored the controversy of how Armenians and Turks can honestly deal with the legacy of the Armenian Genocide and Turkey's ongoing, violent campaign to deny it.

In tribute to Hrant Dink, a clip based on a poem titled "Letter to Hrant," written by Khatchig Mouradian, was shown.

Henry Theriault, director of the Center for Human Rights at Worcester State College, spoke first about the under-discussed dynamics of Armenian-Turkish relations.

Professor Theriault opened by indicating that reconciliation cannot be the goal of Armeno-Turkish dialogue, as this presupposes a relationship that was once horizontal and equitable, whereas Turks up to the present have preserved a dominating one. Theriault also warned of allowing recognition of the Armenian Genocide to become primarily a means for reforming contemporary Turkish society. While that aim is important, he noted that it cannot supplant the more profound need for restitution and reparation for the victim group.

"There's nothing that can ever make us, in my opinion, feel OK about the Armenian Genocide," he said. "We can deal with it better, but it's a part of history that we have to accept. That's true from the Armenian and the Turkish perceptive."

He continued, "It doesn't mean they [Turks] can't move forward, and it doesn't mean there can't be very positive social changes that make sure that it can't happen again and that they begin to repair the damage to the relationship with Armenians, but it's still going to be difficult. And I think that is as it should be. That's part of what keeps us aware of how horrible genocide is. You can't ever really get over it. There is no way to say I'm sorry, there is no way to resolve it."

Theriault compared the assassination of Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant Dink to that of American civil rights movement leaders. "We have to understand that he was not standing up to stand above Turkish society. He was standing up to be equal. To be treated as an equal human being, with the right to say what he wanted to say..."

Professor Theriault's presentation focused on ways in which failure to recognize the power imbalance in the Turkish and Armenian relationship has undercut dialogue efforts while supporting the maintenance of a Turkish-over- Armenian dominance relation itself. Armeno-Turkish dialogue efforts over the past decade have taken various forms, from informal e-mail discussions to academic conferences. Yet, all have shared the same structural assumption: Armenian and Turkish participants, taken as representatives of their respective communities, are treated as equivalent parties in a balanced structure. Theriault stated that this assumption ignores the basic nature of the Armenian-Turkish relationship, which has been and remains a dominance relationship. He argued that meaningful positive change in Armeno-Turkish relations can occur only if the dominance issue takes a central focus.

"Armenians and Turks today exist in a dominance relationship, " he continued. He traced its roots to the long-held Ottoman millet system that placed Armenians as second-class citizens in the Ottoman Empire. "This gave way to a period of hyper-domination in the form of the Armenian Genocide, in which it wasn't just control and power that were the issue, it was such a total domination of Armenians that it became eliminating Armenians from the land."

The post-Genocide era, he said, has served to consolidate the hyper-domination hierarchy evidenced during the Genocide. "The Genocide has never been dealt with, which is maybe what the movement towards dialogue is about, to deal with how the Genocide transformed the Armenian-Turkish relationship. "

He noted that Turkey and Turks must stay conscious of their prejudicial attitudes of superiority over Armenians. "In genocides, when the killing ends, the dominance relationship does not end. .Many progressive Turks, even though they want a productive relationship with Armenians, still maintain a sense of superiority over Armenians."

Theriault said that both camps must stay vigilant to not only foster good relations in the future but be aware of the relationship dynamics. "When the Armenian Genocide just becomes an issue that's really about Turkish society [and its democratization] and not about the victims or the victim community, Armenians become instruments in another process. That's a very dangerous path to go down."

Peter Balakian, professor of humanities at Colgate University and author of The Burning Tigris, spoke next.

Balakian noted how much prevalence the Genocide has enjoyed in mainstream politics and media after so many years of being marginalized. "And yet, as a kind of leaping process has happened, there's also been a violent backlash from forces inside Turkey. This has created a quandary, a conflict, and a problem to be solved or at least dealt with."

Commenting on the murder of Hrant Dink, he said, "He was taking democratic society seriously, and for this he was murdered. He inhabited a delicate civic space in Turkey's complex world."

He then explained how power dynamics still motivate all aspects of the Genocide. "In the ongoing dialogue between Turks and Armenians, it seems important for Turks to acknowledge the issue of power, and how asymmetrical it was in 1915 and continues to be between our two cultures."

"Armenians often felt, and do feel, trapped in a syndrome of reactiveness, because of the inherent asymmetry of power," he continued. "Not to acknowledge this is to de-contextualize the history. I must say, I hope not to spend the rest of my life reacting to the mess of Turkish denial. I would even love to play golf someday."

Regarding the Turkish government's efforts to prevent passage of the Genocide resolution in the U.S., he said, "Congressmen have told me that in their several decades on Capitol Hill, they have never seen a foreign country come to our halls, our government to intervene or try to intervene on any issue as Turkey is doing now."

He spoke about both communities moving, how "Armenians must always be seeking ways to heal and move forward and not get stuck in the rut of their rage or rigidity." And, he said, "Armenians need to listen to Turks talk of their issues, their anxieties, their traumas and their different worldviews."

Balakian ended on a note of universal and progressive solidarity among young Armenians and Turks, saying, "Armenians both in the Republic and in the Diaspora must divest themselves of stereotypes and essentialist notions about Turks and open themselves to the complexity of Turkish society. Only last week, more than a hundred students at Bogazici University in Istanbul staged a protest with the slogan 'Against the Darkness' and chanted Hrant Dink's name and their solidarity with Armenians. These are forces that Armenians want to join with, if they can, and work with."

Following the Balakian's remarks, Halil Berktay, professor of history at Sabanci University in Istanbul and visiting scholar at Harvard University, spoke about his own experiences and perspectives on Armeno-Turkish relations.

He laid the groundwork for his analysis by giving his personal and ideological background. "I feel that since this is a panel and symposium called Armenians and the Left, it is part of my personal history that I seem to have belonged to the Left-or just a Turkish Left, but probably a more international kind of Left-from time immemorial," he said. "My family history, from a very early age onwards, was one of persecution and suppression. I was four years old when my father was taken away in the Turkish fallout of the McCarthy era in the United States and spent some of my childhood years in prison."

Berktay said that during the 1960s and 70s, beginning with his involvement in Yale University's chapter of Students for a Democratic Society, he quickly became entranced in the anti-war movement, and following his return to Turkey in 1969, the militant Turkish Left movement.

Since then, his worldviews have become more moderate and analytical. "I have still retained certain notions of strategy and tactics for building alliances in pursuit of admittedly peaceful and democratic goals."

"By talking to each other, talking about what our relative strengths and weaknesses might be," he continued, "we can perhaps evolve a more comprehensive and sophisticated roadmap for removing that stone [the Turkish state's denial]. . From this, we stand to gain a genuine emotional, mental recognition and therefore closure for Armenians all over the world. For Turks, this can mean a comprehensive and genuine democratization of Turkish society."

Berktay attested that much of what he believes is contradictory to the opinions of Henry Theriault, and that as a Turkish historian who acknowledges the Genocide he would talk little about that historical reality and more about the "civil society politics" of recognition and obtaining recognition.

To make his views on the Genocide clear, Berktay spoke in great detail, saying, "If you want to pose the question, 'Does it fit the existing, the available definitions of genocide?' [my answer would be] of course it fits, and of course it is genocide. . Leave aside the massacres that then ensued, etc. Just by the deportation law and orders, because no discrimination was made as to whether these Armenians were Dashnaktsutiun supporters, whether they were involved in Hnchak activity or this or that, and no evidence was so defined or given, and because they were targeted as an entire ethno-confessional group, simply as Armenians, in terms of the 1948 Convention-even if there had been no deaths-this is tantamount to destroying the social, cultural mold social existence of an entire social group, or religion, or minority, or whatever you choose to call them."

He talked about the formation of the Special Organization to implement the policies of genocide concocted by Talaat, Enver and Djemal Pasha, noting, "It is fairly clear that [the Genocide] happened as a result of two different sets of orders from Istanbul," one for deportations, another for killings.

As a thorough historian he admitted, "Do we have direct proof of these secret orders? No, we do not. That is to say, we do not have a single telegram or two that we can point to as actually ordering state functionaries or operatives to slaughter this or that group of Armenians. But we do have an enormous amount of indirect evidence, of circumstantial evidence, so that in fact whether things that surface from illegality or extra legality, it is fairly clear what happened. We have something very close to a smoking gun, in terms of present American political idioms." He deemed the massacres of 100,000 to 150,000 Mamara region Greeks by the Turks from 1913-14 as a "dress rehearsal" for the Armenian Genocide.

Berktay then chronicled the story of Turkish denialism and revisionist history regarding the Genocide. "One interesting aspect of late 20th, early 21st century Turkish nationalist denial is that its spokesmen or proponents have, it seems, stopped to read or forgotten about all the Turkish memoirs and media journalism accounts that were published in the 1920s and 1930s. In the 1930s, denialism did not exist. There was no question in Turkish society of the late 1920s and 1930s that Ottoman Armenians had by and large been uprooted, exterminated or annihilated. There were basically two opinions: Was this good or was this bad? But there was no question of this having happened. These sources are easily available today. They are not archival documents we're talking about."

Bringing home how Turkish society and denialism became so prevalent today in Turkey, Berktay recounted, ".With the national education apparatus and the media basically in the hands of the nation state, you can see how completely amnesia can develop over a generation or generation and a half. . On top of this, it was from the late 1960s and 1970s that a much more comprehensive denialist discourse was constructed and began to be systematically propagated. At least in some part related to the-at that time-assassination attempts on Turkish diplomats."

Berktay described the status quo of the Turkish state, stating, "This denialist discourse became more and more established, absolute, proceeding way beyond its tactical objectives. After a point, I would like to suggest, the Turkish political class started comprehensively believing it. The more it was repeated the more it became a kind of national line with a political impossibility from breaking away from it."

He continued, "Turkey's biggest weakness is the enormous gap that has developed between domestic knowledge and world knowledge, which has enabled the establishment to constantly maintain that these are all baseless fabrications and slander being imposed on us from the outside. We have to keep struggling to inform and educate Turkish society. I don't mean convincing every one of 80 million Turks that it was genocide, but at least we have to be able to democratize and normalize the conversation inside Turkish society."

Berktay asserted that there were larger numbers of liberal and like-minded or dissent-minded Turks who need to be approached, saying, "Turkish society is big and therefore it is heterogeneous. It is enormously more heterogeneous than what most Armenians or Greeks realize from the outside. This is not just in terms of region differences but in terms of enormous educational and political differences. "

Lastly, he praised the Armenian Diaspora for producing copious amounts of literature and memoirs about the Genocide and advocated their continuance. But he warned, "Don't take short cuts and reduce everything to the word genocide so that it becomes a buzz word and cliché that summarizes all the previous evidence but also substitutes for it so that it becomes too much of a cryptic short-hand to the uninitiated. "

(Sevag Arzoumanian and Doug Geogerian contributed to this report.)

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5a. Fwd: editorial
Posted by: "noubarpoladian" noubarpoladian@yahoo.com noubarpoladian
Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:12 pm (PST)
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April 13, 2007 - Editorial - NY Times

Turkey and the U.N.'s Cover-Up More than 90 years ago, when Turkey
was still part of the Ottoman Empire, Turkish nationalists launched
an extermination campaign there that killed 1.5 million Armenians. It
was the 20th century's first genocide. The world noticed, but did
nothing, setting an example that surely emboldened such later
practitioners as Hitler, the Hutu leaders of Rwanda in 1994 and
today's Sudanese president, Omar Hassan al-Bashir.

Turkey has long tried to deny the Armenian genocide. Even in the
modern-day Turkish republic, which was not a party to the killings,
using the word genocide in reference to these events is prosecuted as
a serious crime. Which makes it all the more disgraceful that United
Nations officials are bowing to Turkey's demands and blocking this
week's scheduled opening of an exhibit at U.N. headquarters
commemorating the 13th anniversary of the Rwandan genocide because it
mentions the mass murder of the Armenians.

Ankara was offended by a sentence that explained how genocide came to
be recognized as a crime under international law: "Following World
War I, during which one million Armenians were murdered in Turkey,
Polish lawyer Raphael Lemkin urged the League of Nations to recognize
crimes of barbarity as international crimes." The exhibit's
organizer, a British-based antigenocide group, was willing to omit
the words "in Turkey." But that was not enough for the U.N.'s craven
new leadership, and the exhibit has been indefinitely postponed.

It's odd that Turkey's leaders have not figured out by now that every
time they try to censor discussion of the Armenian genocide, they
only bring wider attention to the subject and link today's democratic
Turkey with the now distant crime. As for Secretary General Ban Ki-
moon and his inexperienced new leadership team, they have once again
shown how much they have to learn if they are to honorably and
effectively serve the United Nations, which is supposed to be the
embodiment of international law and a leading voice against genocide.

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5b. NY Times Letters the Editor: Turks and Armenians, Still Not Eye to E
Posted by: "Ara" ara.gregorian@gmail.com ara.gregorian
Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:27 pm (PST)

April 17, 2007

Turks and Armenians, Still Not Eye to Eye (2 Letters)

To the Editor:

"Turkey and the U.N.'s Cover-Up" (editorial, April 13)
reflects only the Armenian version of the events of 1915.

There is no explanation as to how and why these sad events took place in
eastern Anatolia. There is also no reference to those Turks who were
mass-murdered by Armenian bands during that time. Those tragic events
took place in time of war, and both populations suffered extensively.

As such, describing these events as "genocide" is unacceptable.
Indeed, if it had been a "genocide," how was it possible for the
Armenians living in other parts of the Ottoman Empire to survive? In
fact, there is still a large Armenian Turkish minority in Istanbul that
enriches our cultural diversity.

If the Armenian authorities are certain of their accusations, then they
should be able to accept Turkey's proposal to set up a joint
historians' commission, including those from third countries, to
examine all the available documents and to reach a public decision on
what really happened.

Turkey has nothing to cover up. We are ready and willing to face the
history. We expect the same from the Armenian side.

Baki Ilkin, Permanent Representative
Turkish Mission to the U.N.
New York, April 13, 2007

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To the Editor:

The Armenian community commends you for properly characterizing the
Armenian genocide and portraying with clarity the lengths Turkey will go
to just to prevent discussion of this fact of world history.

It is not enough that Turkey, an aspirant to the European Union,
prosecutes its citizens for discussing the crimes and threatens to
retaliate against countries that acknowledge the Armenian genocide. It
has shown the world that honoring the memory of the 800,000 murdered
Rwandans is much less important than imposing its revisionism at the
United Nations.

As you point out, the resulting embarrassment seems not to faze Ankara.
It is too busy figuring out new ways to sweep history under the rug.

Bryan Ardouny, Executive Director
Armenian Assembly of America
Washington, April 13, 2007

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Posted by: "Noubar Poladian" noubarpoladian@yahoo.com noubarpoladian
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Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:13 pm (PST)
Dear boomba! From subsequent e-Mails I was told by you that you are Alex!

So let me start! Dear Alex:

First, please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to your Posting.

Then, let me state that there are many hundreds of millions of "Alex"s. So I guess you are one of the many many millions. Though there's only one Nader Rastegar! So I feel to be very special! Though we're both named after two powerful Shahs! the more ancient one is adored the World Over! In Iran, Iranians name their sons after Sikandar! Eskandar! Alexander! For some perverse reason Iranians carry no gripes against Alexander or his Macedonian and Greek Armies when they burnt down the most magnificent of all World Edifices, Persepolis! Yet, we Iranians also have a perverse and much misplaced anger against Arabs who centuries after the destruction brought about by Alexander invaded Iran.

I am not sure we delight at one and rage against the other! Though we happily cherish the Memory of Nader Shah who looted India and destroyed so much of that beautiful Land. Nader Shah has become the symbol of Iranian virility. So by our traditional Iranian logic, if a Persian Shah loots and rapes and plunders, he's a real hero! He's Nader Shah the Great for Iranians! Alexander is also Alexander the Great! Yet the poor Arabs are a horde of savages!!

So far so good! Whoever you are! Hello!

Let me go over your points one by one, may I?

~ "... why you are misconstruing of what i say?"

I am so sorry that I have given you that impression. I can assure you that I had no such intention. I only wished to add to the parameters and to expand the boundaries of the sphere. My introduction of new possibilities may not be interpreted as misconstruing your comments. I sure read them and understood them alright!

~ "to start with Armenians and turks are two deferent ethnic background ,turks are from central Asia they came to the land of Asia minor via Iran during the 12th century ..."

Sure the two are quite distinct and apart from each other. Though it behooves you to study History with greater ponderance! First, it is beginning to emerge more and more that Armenian realm once reached deep into Turkmenistan and Tajikistan. New Archaeological Discoveries have unearthed an Armenian Monastery by the lakeside there.

So Armenia may very well have been Territories to the East of Caspian Sea as well.

And you are probably misled to believe that Turkic Hordes are from Central Asia. They are from much further East in Asia. Though they have obliterated all other cultures much as they have done to Armenia's in Anatolia and Asia Minor! So the Peoples of central Asia are Iranians who have been Turkified - much like the Armenians! I share your grief!

~ "... how in the world can they be Armenians ... are you saying within 800 years or so they became 85% Armenians?"

It sure is a possibility. 800 years is a very very long time! Within a Century, Indians of Northern America have been Anglicized! The Aztecs of Central and South America have been Hispaniolified! The Persians of Eastern Asia Minor have been Turkified along with the Armenians! The Phoenicians have been Arabicized, and the Tibetans will be sinofied!

Plus, I never believe the Turks Armenified. I believe they Turkified the Armenians! Turks in Turkey Today are NOT Turkic at all - though they have turned into bigot Turkic Extremists. They are a melange of what we Iranians say, 72 Nations!

~ "as for Africans Zimbabweans Congolese are totally different ethnic background,well if you want to be integrity we all are the same human family scientifically it has been proven ... "

I am not so comfortable at all with your sweeping assertions. There's a new science that maybe what you claim so assuredly is not such! So hold your breath please!

~ "... the fact is that we all are ethnically different the original turks are mongoloyd even the old paintings confirms that ... finally who can prove scientifically and genetically that the turks are 85% Armenians"

You are correct. However the inhabitants of Turkey think they're Mongoloid Turkic. Yet they're as you aptly pointed out anything but that. So the original assertion that they're 85% Armenian may not be that far off!

boomba <mediterane@bigpond. com> wrote:
Nader, why you are misconstruing of what i say? to start with Armenians and turks are two deferent ethnic background ,turks are from central Asia they came to the land of Asia minor via Iran during the 12th century how in the world can they be Armenians been there for thousands of years, are you saying within 800 years or so they became 85% Armenians? come on mate! as for Africans Zimbabweans Congolese are totally different ethnic background,well if you want to be integrity we all are the same human family scientifically it has been proven, but the fact is that we all are ethnically different the original turks are mongoloyd even the old paintings confirms that when the came in where they are today and occupied parts of Europe middle east. they kidnapped the women like you see a few blond turks are the really turks they are decedents of Yugoslavs Bulgarian and so on,in fact we should have been a lot more Iranians since we shared borders since the beginning of
history,when i mentioned (Christian) when did in the past 800 years or so did Armenians convert to Islam in mass numbers? Armenians always resisted in converting to other religions except for individual choice.in the years around 450 ad. when Armenians and Persian went to war and Vartan Vamigonian died in that battle,the Persians recognized the Armenian rights, but turks never have dawn to this day we can go on and on but the fact remains turk is a turk and they are central Asians as far as bordering china and the Aleutians.finally who can prove scientifically and genetically that the turks are 85% Armenians

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9. Fwd: Extreme poverty in Armenia
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[April 9, 2007]

For people residing at 127/2 Gurgen Mahari Street (the former
vocational culinary school in Vardashen) extreme poverty is all the
future offers. According to Harutyun Sargsyan, a department head at
the Erebuni district administration, there are many people like this
in their community.

77-year-old Harutyun Harutyunyan and his wife Shushik live in the
kitchen of the former cooking school. When they go to bed they cover
themselves with plastic bags to protect against the rainwater that
drips through the ceiling. Their possessions consist of what they
have been able to gather on the streets, since their apartment was
robbed several years ago and all their bedding and kitchenware were
stolen. There is no running water or bathroom facilities here. The
elderly couple walk on a bare concrete floor and sleep with their
clothes on.

Shushik is blind and bedridden and thus unable to do housework. Twice
a week, every Monday and Wednesday, her husband gets two packets of
sour cream and two hot dogs from a nearby soup kitchen. On other days
their menu consists of boiled potatoes and bread. But their greatest
cause of sorrow and concern is their 35-year-old son Artur's
worsening disability. Over the last years Artur has lost all movement
in his legs. The couple hasn't received social allowances for several
years now. "What do I know? One day they told me that I was not
entitled to it and they stopped paying," Harutyun Harutyunyan said
hopelessly.

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Death and Destruction: Businessman dies in demolition accident at
controversial site

By Vahan Ishkhanyan
ArmeniaNow Reporter

The director of a company involved in a controversial demolition of
homes on Yerevan's Buzand and Amiryan streets was killed last
Saturday morning when a building at the work site collapsed on top of
him.

Street of anger and danger: Chief of demolition died in the accident
Stepan Harutyunyan, director of Griar corporation was killed in an
accident that also injured a work superintendent on at the scene.

The demolition site – one of a few urban renewal projects in the
center of the capital – has become a flashpoint of dispute between
residents who say they are being forced from their homes without
adequate compensation, and developers, some of whom hold government
positions.

During the work that took Harutyunyan' s life (though on a different
site), three families were still living inside a building at 25
Buzand Street while his crew was ordered to pull down the roof.

Police were called to the site by residents, but did not stop the
demolition.

Among those holding out (see "Need" or Greed?) while their homes fall
around them is the family of Sedrak Baghdasaryan, who has refused an
offering price of $23,000 (plus a bonus of $14,000 if he accepted the
offer on the spot) for his home.

Developers, who see the old and unsightly buildings as an eyesore,
accuse residents such as Baghdasaryan of trying to extort developers
with selling prices far beyond reasonable value. Residents argue,
however, that they cannot buy comparable homes in the same
neighborhood for the prices they are being offered.

Luxury buildings eject shabby houses and their residents
Plus, residents are given only five days to consider offers, after
which they would lose their signing "bonus".

A court is currently considering claims, but even while the
litigation is pending, the very homes in question are being destroyed.

Residents have appealed to the Republic of Armenia Ombudswoman and
even to President Robert Kocharyan.

Ruben Martirosyan, legal advisor to Ombudswoman Larisa Alaverdyan,
says the court has turned a blind eye to violations of the residents'
rights.

While residents such as Baghdasaryan and his two neighbors hold out,
their homes have become a peninsula on a demolition site where sewage
and water pipes have already been disconnected.

On April 11, Baghdasaryan' s 14-year old son, Tigran, fell into a
construction pit and broke his leg, while trying to gather water from
one of the utility pipes.

The Deputy Ombudsman has sent a letter to Yerevan's mayor in which he
described the situation and asked for clarification to be given to
him within five days. Twenty days have passed since and the mayor has
not yet answered the letter.

The same situation is in the section intersecting with nearby Amiryan
Street, where the territory is being developed by former Member of
Parliament Melik Gasparyan.

Lianna has packed up but has no place to go with her children
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She says the family of three sleeps with the door open at night, in
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16.04.2007 13:08 GMT+04:00
/PanARMENIAN. Net/ On Thursday, April 12, 2007, over one hundred Illinois residents had an opportunity to hear Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) speak out on the importance of recognizing the Armenian Genocide, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA).

The Senator’s remarks were offered at a weekly Washington, DC "breakfast briefing," an Illinois tradition started more than a decade ago by the late Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL). At the briefings, the Praire State’s two Senators, Obama and Assistant Majority Leader Richard Durbin (D-IL), have the opportunity to field questions from constituents on a variety of issues.

Taking part in the breakfast briefing were ANCA Eastern Region Executive Director Karine Birazian and ANCA Legislative Affairs Director Raffi N. Karakashian, Esq. On several occasions over the past four years, Birazian, a Northbrook native, has attended the briefings on behalf of the Armenian National Committee of Illinois and has questioned her Senators on matters of importance to the state’s Armenian American community.

ANCA Legislative Affairs Director Raffi N. Karakashian, Esq. and ANCA Eastern Region Executive Director Karine Birazian join Assistant Majority Leader Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). When invited to ask a question, Birazian thanked Senator Durbin for spearheading the Armenian Genocide Resolution, S.Res.106, as well as leading the effort to pass targeted divestment legislation relating to Darfur. Birazian also encourage Senator Obama to cosponsor S.Res.106. In his response, Senator Obama stated: "For those who aren’t aware, there was a genocide that did take place against the Armenian people. It is one of these situations where we have seen a constant denial on the part of the Turkish Government and others that this occurred. It has become a sore spot diplomatically. . ."

Following the meeting, Birazian commented: "Armenian Americans in Illinois and across the nation look forward to Senator Obama becoming a cosponsor of S. Res.106. His principled stand on genocide recognition is honorable, and as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, his support of the legislation would help ensure that it moves quickly to the floor for a vote of the full

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Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:32 pm (PST)
N.Y. Times Deals a Knock Out
Punch to Turkish Denialism

By Harut Sassounian
Publisher, The California Courier

The Turkish Ambassador to the United Nations must have been very proud of himself when he succeeded in temporarily shutting down a U.N. photo exhibition on the Rwandan Genocide, after discovering a single sentence that read: “one million Armenians were murdered in Turkey.”
Little did Ambassador Baki Ilkin and his government know that the attempt to eliminate a simple reference which did not even describe the Armenian mass killings as genocide and may have been overlooked by most exhibit visitors, would blow up in their faces in a very big and unexpected way.
As stated previously in this column, Turkey, unintentionally, is the greatest publicist of the Armenian Genocide by its obsessive objections to its mention by anyone, anywhere.
The Turkish complaint against the mention of Armenian “murders” at the Rwandan exhibition was reported by the Associated Press. The lengthy wire story, which extensively described the facts of the Armenian Genocide, was printed by newspapers around the globe. While trying to get rid of one harmless line that most people would not even have noticed, Turkish officials managed to get several paragraphs about the Armenian Genocide published in hundreds of newspapers around the world! As the AP reported: “Historians estimate up to 1.5 million Armenians were killed by Ottoman Turks around the time of World War I, an event widely viewed by genocide scholars as the first genocide of the 20th century.”
In one thoughtless knee-jerk reaction, the Turkish government managed to reconfirm its repressive image among millions of newspaper readers, antagonize the Rwandan government, and upset the U.K.-based Aegis Trust, which had helped organize the exhibition. It also drew the ire of usually mild-mannered Armenian government officials. Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian blasted Ankara by stating: “It is not enough that the Government of Turkey thinks it can hide its history from its own people. Now, they have taken their campaign of cover-up and distortion to such lengths that they will prevent an exhibition on Genocide entitled ‘Lessons of Rwanda.’”
The New York Times also covered the Turkish objection and the controversy regarding the cancellation of the U.N. exhibition and, just like the AP, made direct references to the Armenian Genocide.
However, the biggest surprise was yet to come. On April 13, The N.Y. Times published a hard-hitting editorial that blasted Turkey’s obsessive efforts to deny the Armenian Genocide. It dealt such a devastating blow that Turkish denialism may never recover from it.
The editorial, under the headline, "Turkey and the U.N.’s Cover-Up," stated in part: “More than 90 years ago, when Turkey was still part of the Ottoman Empire, Turkish nationalists launched an extermination campaign there that killed 1.5 million Armenians. It was the 20th century's first genocide…. Turkey has long tried to deny the Armenian genocide. Even in the modern-day Turkish republic, which was not a party to the killings, using the word genocide in reference to these events is prosecuted as a serious crime. It's odd that Turkey's leaders have not figured out by now that every time they try to censor discussion of the Armenian genocide, they only bring wider attention to the subject and link today's democratic Turkey with the now distant crime.”
The same editorial appeared in the International Herald Tribune, under an even harsher headline: “Abetting Turkish Denial at the United Nations.”
While U.N. officials are mulling over a face-saving way of resuming the photo exhibition, Rwandans, Armenians and all those who cherish the truth should look into the questionable role played by U.N. associate spokesman Farhan Haq, in this whole episode. He was quoted by AP last week as saying that the photo exhibit was taken down because it was not properly reviewed.
Mr. Haq has also been repeatedly quoted by Turkish denialists as having allegedly stated back in 2000 that “the United Nations has not approved or endorsed a report labeling the Armenian experience as Genocide.” Last week, he was quoted by AP as saying: “The U.N. hasn’t expressed any position on incidents that took place long before the United Nations was established.”
Both of those statements are absolutely untrue, as the U.N. has taken a position on the Jewish Holocaust which, just like the Armenian Genocide, occurred before the establishment of the U.N. in 1945. Furthermore, there were several extensive discussions of the Armenian Genocide at the U.N. for more than a dozen years, which culminated in a report adopted in 1985 by the U.N. Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities.
Earlier in the week, this writer spoke to Mr. Haq and asked him if he was aware that U.N human rights panels had dealt with the issue of the Armenian Genocide. He said he knew that various U.N. human rights bodies had discussed this issue and adopted reports which referred to the Armenian Genocide. Regarding the statement that Turkish denialists constantly attribute to him, he said he had simply stated that there has never been a U.N. General Assembly resolution on the Armenian Genocide.
Armenia’s Ambassador at the United Nations may now want to contact the U.N. Secretary General’s office and ask him to issue a formal statement declaring that the U.N. human rights bodies had indeed dealt with the Armenian Genocide and adopted a report in 1985 properly calling it a genocide.
There is no question that the Rwandan exhibition will be reopened at the U.N. along with the reference to the Armenian Genocide. By taking it down temporarily to get rid of that reference, Turkish officials have once again inadvertently publicized the Armenian Genocide to a worldwide audience, much beyond the four walls of the U.N.

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1. Haigazian University - Katia Peltekian lectures on: British PM Willi From: sebouhz_tashjian
2a. Re: reply to Nader From: boomba
2b. Re: reply to Nader From: Nader Rastegar
3a. Re: (And Hillary?) Next US PRESIDENT, father Muslim, wastes not time From: Nader Rastegar
3b. Re: (And Hillary?) Next US PRESIDENT, father Muslim, wastes not time From: VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi
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1. Haigazian University - Katia Peltekian lectures on: British PM Willi
Posted by: "sebouhz_tashjian" sebouhz_tashjian@yahoo.com.au sebouhz_tashjian
Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:31 am (PST)
"Gladstone's last public speech was in Liverpool, on September 24,
1896, where he emphasized the deliberate policy of the Turkish
government to exterminate the Armenian nation."

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Haigazian University

Katia Peltekian lectures on: British Prime Minister William Gladstone

Katia Peltekian lectures on: British Prime Minister William Gladstone
and the Armenian Massacres of the Late 19th Century

On Thursday the 12th of April 2007, at the Cultural Hour organized by
Haigazian University, Ms. Katia Peltekian, of the English department
at the University, presented an illustrated lecture on the British
Prime Minister Gladstone and the Armenian Massacres of the Late 19th
Century.
In her opening speech, Dr. Arda Ekmekji, Dean of the faculty of Arts
and Sciences, noted that the month of April witnesses two sad spots
in the collective memory of our local community; one is the Armenian
Genocide during the First World War, and the other is the start of
the Lebanese civil war back in 1975. Ekmekji pointed out that
Armenians cannot forget and forgive the massacres, as long as it is
not acknowledged by the international community.
Guest lecturer, Katia Peltekian highlighted on a part of the Armenian
history, towards the end of the 19th century, when massacres were
committed by Ottoman Turkey, in Eastern Anatolia and Constantinople.
Peltekian demonstrated clippings of newspapers during the late 19th
century, like the Halifax Herald, Washington Post, and the New York
Times, which mention massacres of the Armenians by the Ottoman Empire
in Erzroum and Constantinople.
Peltkian explained how Armenians living in the British Empire at that
time, presented religious artifacts to British statesmen in
recognition of their efforts to alleviate the suffering of the
Armenians.
Prime Minister William E. Gladstone was honored then for defending
the Armenian cause in the Parliament and at gatherings in different
cities around Great Britain. Peltekian noted that Gladstone was well-
known for his speeches, and activist movements.
Gladstone''s last public speech was in Liverpool, on September 24,
1896, where he emphasized the deliberate policy of the Turkish
government to exterminate the Armenian nation.
Armenians honored him with a chalice and stained-glass window,
offered to St. Dieniol church in Wales, where Gladstone used to
attend mass.

Mira Yardemian
Public Relations Director

http://www.haigazia n.edu.lb/ News.jsp? id=192

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2a. Re: reply to Nader
Posted by: "boomba" mediterane@bigpond.com bglo689
Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:31 am (PST)
Nader jaan thank you for your reply couldn't`t agree more it seems that what ever we sow that's what we rip, well what happened to Alexander the great i don't know what`s so (great) about him, on the way back from his conquest he died at the age of 33 in Babylon hi didn't`t even make it back home, and the story goes on, Nader jaan there is so much to say about this, human history is full of events like this you know the old saying what goes around comes around, anyway i with all the best to you and to the group i think we should organise a barbeque and i`l throw an extra shrimp on it for everyone cheers all yours best mate Alex.
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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} reply to Nader

Dear boomba! From subsequent e-Mails I was told by you that you are Alex!

So let me start! Dear Alex:

First, please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to your Posting.

Then, let me state that there are many hundreds of millions of "Alex"s. So I guess you are one of the many many millions. Though there's only one Nader Rastegar! So I feel to be very special! Though we're both named after two powerful Shahs! the more ancient one is adored the World Over! In Iran, Iranians name their sons after Sikandar! Eskandar! Alexander! For some perverse reason Iranians carry no gripes against Alexander or his Macedonian and Greek Armies when they burnt down the most magnificent of all World Edifices, Persepolis! Yet, we Iranians also have a perverse and much misplaced anger against Arabs who centuries after the destruction brought about by Alexander invaded Iran.

I am not sure we delight at one and rage against the other! Though we happily cherish the Memory of Nader Shah who looted India and destroyed so much of that beautiful Land. Nader Shah has become the symbol of Iranian virility. So by our traditional Iranian logic, if a Persian Shah loots and rapes and plunders, he's a real hero! He's Nader Shah the Great for Iranians! Alexander is also Alexander the Great! Yet the poor Arabs are a horde of savages!!

So far so good! Whoever you are! Hello!

Let me go over your points one by one, may I?

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2b. Re: reply to Nader
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:06 pm (PST)
Alex Jaan! Thanks a zillion! Though instead of the shrimp that you wish to throw on top of the barbeque pit, can you help a few of us organize a Scholarly Conference on Genocide here in Canada?!

boomba <mediterane@bigpond. com> wrote: Nader jaan thank you for your reply couldn't`t agree more it seems that what ever we sow that's what we rip, well what happened to Alexander the great i don't know what`s so (great) about him, on the way back from his conquest he died at the age of 33 in Babylon hi didn't`t even make it back home, and the story goes on, Nader jaan there is so much to say about this, human history is full of events like this you know the old saying what goes around comes around, anyway i with all the best to you and to the group i think we should organise a barbeque and i`l throw an extra shrimp on it for everyone cheers all yours best mate Alex.
----- Original Message -----
From: Nader Rastegar
To: armenian@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: {Armenian group} reply to Nader

Dear boomba! From subsequent e-Mails I was told by you that you are Alex!

So let me start! Dear Alex:

First, please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to your Posting.

Then, let me state that there are many hundreds of millions of "Alex"s. So I guess you are one of the many many millions. Though there's only one Nader Rastegar! So I feel to be very special! Though we're both named after two powerful Shahs! the more ancient one is adored the World Over! In Iran, Iranians name their sons after Sikandar! Eskandar! Alexander! For some perverse reason Iranians carry no gripes against Alexander or his Macedonian and Greek Armies when they burnt down the most magnificent of all World Edifices, Persepolis! Yet, we Iranians also have a perverse and much misplaced anger against Arabs who centuries after the destruction brought about by Alexander invaded Iran.

I am not sure we delight at one and rage against the other! Though we happily cherish the Memory of Nader Shah who looted India and destroyed so much of that beautiful Land. Nader Shah has become the symbol of Iranian virility. So by our traditional Iranian logic, if a Persian Shah loots and rapes and plunders, he's a real hero! He's Nader Shah the Great for Iranians! Alexander is also Alexander the Great! Yet the poor Arabs are a horde of savages!!

So far so good! Whoever you are! Hello!

Let me go over your points one by one, may I?

.

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3a. Re: (And Hillary?) Next US PRESIDENT, father Muslim, wastes not time
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:32 am (PST)
get terribly I feel very sad and get terribly worried whenever a religious Islam versus Christianity twist is given to the 1915 Genocide of Armenians. I am sure the Ottomans, as pretenders to the Islamic Caliphate would have entered Islamic twist into sanctioning these Crimes Against Humanity. I am sure there are many instances of Islamic failings whilst the Genocide took shape. But that was not systematic. This was more about a BLIND Nationalism trying to overwhelm another National Identity!

But to bite into this shall be a god-sent gift to Turks who are desperate to find new channels to divert attention from their Pan-Turkic megalomanic Agenda. I am sure more Turks will play the religious card to assure the Muslims to side with them.

It shall be a calamity for Armenians if their Cause is allowed to be anything other than a Cause C€ ¦Ã©l€ ¦Ã¨bre for ALL Humanity. I am confidant Muslims have no difficulties in seeing this and accepting this. This has been the case thus far. However, in the World in which we are living these days, temptation to give in to Extremism is enormous.

I urge extreme caution by all Armenians. This is NOT an Islamic-Christian enmity. This is a Pan-Turkic Hell which tried to destroy an Ancient People.

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:
And Hillary? Man with Muslim father, next US PREDIDENT, wastes not time in succinctly mentioning Armenian GENOCIDE -- but HILLARY is silent.
FORGET THE CLINTONS!

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Sen. Barack Obama speaks out on Armenian Genocide
16.04.2007 13:08 GMT+04:00
/PanARMENIAN. Net/ On Thursday, April 12, 2007, over one hundred Illinois residents had an opportunity to hear Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) speak out on the importance of recognizing the Armenian Genocide, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA).

The Senator?s remarks were offered at a weekly Washington, DC "breakfast briefing," an Illinois tradition started more than a decade ago by the late Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL). At the briefings, the Praire State?s two Senators, Obama and Assistant Majority Leader Richard Durbin (D-IL), have the opportunity to field questions from constituents on a variety of issues.

Taking part in the breakfast briefing were ANCA Eastern Region Executive Director Karine Birazian and ANCA Legislative Affairs Director Raffi N. Karakashian, Esq. On several occasions over the past four years, Birazian, a Northbrook native, has attended the briefings on behalf of the Armenian National Committee of Illinois and has questioned her Senators on matters of importance to the state?s Armenian American community.

ANCA Legislative Affairs Director Raffi N. Karakashian, Esq. and ANCA Eastern Region Executive Director Karine Birazian join Assistant Majority Leader Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). When invited to ask a question, Birazian thanked Senator Durbin for spearheading the Armenian Genocide Resolution, S.Res.106, as well as leading the effort to pass targeted divestment legislation relating to Darfur. Birazian also encourage Senator Obama to cosponsor S.Res.106. In his response, Senator Obama stated: "For those who aren?t aware, there was a genocide that did take place against the Armenian people. It is one of these situations where we have seen a constant denial on the part of the Turkish Government and others that this occurred. It has become a sore spot diplomatically. . ."

Following the meeting, Birazian commented: "Armenian Americans in Illinois and across the nation look forward to Senator Obama becoming a cosponsor of S. Res.106. His principled stand on genocide recognition is honorable, and as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, his support of the legislation would help ensure that it moves quickly to the floor for a vote of the full

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3b. Re: (And Hillary?) Next US PRESIDENT, father Muslim, wastes not time
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:07 pm (PST)
I agree. Obama shows that being Christian or Muslim should
not determine whether you think a Holocaust occured. The only
Muslims in the world who deny the Armenian Genocide are the
secular so-called Muslims of Turkey.

My point was that a so-called "Christian" (Hillary) and her
"Christian" husband (who BLOCKED the genocide resolution
in 2000 by alerting Hastert of the Jewish lobby's request,
emanating from Turkey) have done little whereas NANCY PELOSI
completely ignored the TURKISH "Gul"
and "father Muslim" Barack Hussein Obama (Varak Hovsep Ohanian?) was quick and succinct to state the facts--the truth.
Also, devout Muslim Turks were
the LEAST involve din the GENOCIDE, and Armenians
get along just fine with other Muslims,...even the KURDS
have apologized for being whipped into a frenzy to massacre
Armenians by the Turks.
This experience shows how quick and clean Obama is.
He knew some people present did not know what was
going on so he SUCCINCTLY decribed it. He has a clean,
powerful machine as a brain! I hope he is elected!

VAN ZAKAREAN
Hoping for Varak Obama

Nader Rastegar <ispahan1900@ yahoo.com> wrote:
get terribly I feel very sad and get terribly worried whenever a religious Islam versus Christianity twist is given to the 1915 Genocide of Armenians. I am sure the Ottomans, as pretenders to the Islamic Caliphate would have entered Islamic twist into sanctioning these Crimes Against Humanity. I am sure there are many instances of Islamic failings whilst the Genocide took shape. But that was not systematic. This was more about a BLIND Nationalism trying to overwhelm another National Identity!

But to bite into this shall be a god-sent gift to Turks who are desperate to find new channels to divert attention from their Pan-Turkic megalomanic Agenda. I am sure more Turks will play the religious card to assure the Muslims to side with them.

It shall be a calamity for Armenians if their Cause is allowed to be anything other than a Cause C€ ¦Ã©l€ ¦Ã¨bre for ALL Humanity. I am confidant Muslims have no difficulties in seeing this and accepting this. This has been the case thus far. However, in the World in which we are living these days, temptation to give in to Extremism is enormous.

I urge extreme caution by all Armenians. This is NOT an Islamic-Christian enmity. This is a Pan-Turkic Hell which tried to destroy an Ancient People.

"VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" <vanarmenya@yahoo. com> wrote:
And Hillary? Man with Muslim father, next US PREDIDENT, wastes not time in succinctly mentioning Armenian GENOCIDE -- but HILLARY is silent.
FORGET THE CLINTONS!

VAN ZAKAREAN

Sen. Barack Obama speaks out on Armenian Genocide
16.04.2007 13:08 GMT+04:00
/PanARMENIAN. Net/ On Thursday, April 12, 2007, over one hundred Illinois residents had an opportunity to hear Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) speak out on the importance of recognizing the Armenian Genocide, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA).

The Senator?s remarks were offered at a weekly Washington, DC "breakfast briefing," an Illinois tradition started more than a decade ago by the late Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL). At the briefings, the Praire State?s two Senators, Obama and Assistant Majority Leader Richard Durbin (D-IL), have the opportunity to field questions from constituents on a variety of issues.

Taking part in the breakfast briefing were ANCA Eastern Region Executive Director Karine Birazian and ANCA Legislative Affairs Director Raffi N. Karakashian, Esq. On several occasions over the past four years, Birazian, a Northbrook native, has attended the briefings on behalf of the Armenian National Committee of Illinois and has questioned her Senators on matters of importance to the state?s Armenian American community.

ANCA Legislative Affairs Director Raffi N. Karakashian, Esq. and ANCA Eastern Region Executive Director Karine Birazian join Assistant Majority Leader Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). When invited to ask a question, Birazian thanked Senator Durbin for spearheading the Armenian Genocide Resolution, S.Res.106, as well as leading the effort to pass targeted divestment legislation relating to Darfur. Birazian also encourage Senator Obama to cosponsor S.Res.106. In his response, Senator Obama stated: "For those who aren?t aware, there was a genocide that did take place against the Armenian people. It is one of these situations where we have seen a constant denial on the part of the Turkish Government and others that this occurred. It has become a sore spot diplomatically. . ."

Following the meeting, Birazian commented: "Armenian Americans in Illinois and across the nation look forward to Senator Obama becoming a cosponsor of S. Res.106. His principled stand on genocide recognition is honorable, and as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, his support of the legislation would help ensure that it moves quickly to the floor for a vote of the full

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4. PanARM - April 24Â” square opened in French town Clichy la Garenne
Posted by: "sebouhz_tashjian" sebouhz_tashjian@yahoo.com.au sebouhz_tashjian
Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:34 am (PST)
PanARMENIAN. Net

"April 24" square opened in French town Clichy la Garenne
17.04.2007 13:30 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN. Net/ On April 15 Gilles Catoire, Mayor Clichy la Garenne
French town, and Armenia's Ambassador to France Eduard Nalbandian in
the center of the town opened the "April 24, 1915" square, dedicated
to victims of the Armenian Genocide in 1915. Representatives of O-de-
Sen department authorities, leaders of Armenian organizations in
France and residents of the town participated in the solemn ceremony.
Expressing gratitude to the authorities of Clichy la Garenne for
opening the square, Armenia's Ambassador to France Eduard Nalbandian
noted, memory of the Armenian Genocide victims is not only a tribute
and solidarity, but also a call to the whole humanity to display
vigilance and constantly lead a struggle against repetition of such
outrages. "Denial of the Armenian Genocide and distortion of history
became the continuation of this crime against humanity," the Armenian
diplomat stressed.

The same day in the museum of town's veterans opened an exhibition
titled "1915-2005: The First Genocide of the 20th Century", the RA
MFA Press Office reports.

http://www.panarmen ian.net/news/ eng/?nid= 21898

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5. Refugees seek a new life to get over the nightmares
Posted by: "raffi baltaian" raffibaltaian@yahoo.com raffibaltaian
Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:06 pm (PST)
Iraq Conference: Refugees seek a new life to get over the nightmares

CAIRO, Egypt, April 13 (UNHCR) € ¦’¶ The brutal experiences of one Iraqi family in Baghdad, their life as refugees in Cairo and their expected resettlement to Australia provide a glimpse of the crisis as the UN refugee agency convenes an international conference on those displaced by the violence in Iraq.
"How long will the world watch our tragedy on television screens and stay silent about our suffering? Iraq is bleeding and Iraqis are suffering," said Adel*, a 48-old-Iraqi refugee who arrived in Egypt with his wife Shareefa* and their three children in 2005 after being driven out of Baghdad by sectarian violence, kidnapping and death threats.
UNHCR will host an international conference on refugees and internally displaced people in Iraq and the surrounding region next Tuesday and Wednesday, seeking a continuing global commitment to find solutions. More than 450 participants from at least 60 nations, 37 inter-governmental organisations and 64 non-governmental organisations have registered.
UNHCR and its partners estimate there are close to two million Iraqis displaced within Iraq and a similar number outside € ¦’¶ mainly in Syria and Jordan and nearby countries such as Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey and Iran. While many had left before 2003, increasing numbers of Iraqis are now fleeing their homes € ¦’¶ up to 50,000 a month.
In a modest one-bedroom apartment in the city of 6th of October on the outskirts of Cairo, where many Iraqis have now settled and live off small business, Adel tearfully described how his family became part of the refugee statistic.
"At age 48, I was at the peak of my career with a good life. I was the director of a multinational company in Iraq working in the private sector, making good money and raising a family," said Adel. "You were safe and secure if you stayed away from politics and the regime. We were Sunni, Shiite, Christian neighbours, brothers and friends but then everything suddenly changed."
Adel said the first few months after the U.S.-led invasion were relatively calm but by the middle of 2004, the situation was getting worse by the day.
"We were an easy target because my husband worked in the private sector and had name recognition in the business community," said Shareefa. Soon the family started to receive death threats written on white paper € ¦’¶ in blood € ¦’¶telling them to leave the neighbourhood.
"We never paid attention to these threats in the beginning, till one night the door was banging really hard and before we knew it there were more than 100 people in our home all dressed in black with masked faces. Imagine 100 people in a two-storey home," recalled Adel. "They dragged my 16-year-old, beating him up and then took him outside to a car. They started beating me up till I passed out."
The militia men looted their home and the family's life savings before driving Adel and his son to an unknown location where they were tortured for three weeks. When they were finally released, they were warned not to go back to their home and to immediately leave Iraq.
"Our story is the story of many other Iraqis from all factions who are subject to daily threats. We immediately realised that we have no other option but to leave immediately, " said Shareefa. In Cairo they are no longer in danger, but life is difficult and they still suffer from the traumas of their experience.
"We finally feel safe and secure but we are having a hard time surviving, especially with a six-year-old who is psychologically traumatised after being beaten up by the militias and seeing his father and brother tortured and kidnapped. He needs special care," said Shareefa, breaking down in tears.
"How can one forget these scenes? My five-year-old on the floor and one of the militia men standing with his shoes pressing on the child's neck and head. The boy immediately lost control and started urinating. I cannot forget these scenes."
Adel registered the family with UNHCR as soon as they arrived in Cairo. "I am not sure what we would have done without the help we received from UNHCR. We were about to be deported for overstaying our visa but the authorities granted us resident permits after UNHCR intervened," said Adel.
There are more than 100,000 Iraqis in Egypt. The UN refugee agency has registered 6,400 Iraqis, with another 6,200 registration interviews scheduled. The total is large, but dwarfed by the estimated 1.2 million Iraqis now in Syria and 750,000 in Jordan. In addition there are up to 40,000 Iraqis in Lebanon, 54,000 in Iran ,10,000 in Turkey and 1000 in Armenia(IragiArmeni ans)
The family awaits a new life in Australia, reporting that they have been accepted by the government under a special humanitarian programme outside the resettlement programme operated by UNHCR.
"We are vulnerable, demoralised and have lost interest in everything in life. We hope that we can start a new life and forget the wounds and scars that we will carry along for many years to come," said Mahmoud*, the 16-year-old son. "I can't ever go back to Iraq. I get nightmares every time I put my head on the pillow."
*Name changed for protection reasons
By Abeer Etefa
in Cairo, Egypt

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1. Fwd: Commemoration of the 92nd Anniversary of the Armenian Genocide. From: Noubar Poladian
2. Fw: InHomage.com 2nd campaign for the Armenian Genocide: "Our Dead h From: Hrant S. Vartzbedian
3a. April 24 proclaimed Commemoration Day of Armenian Genocide victims i From: Ara Ashjian
3b. Re: April 24 proclaimed Commemoration Day of Armenian Genocide victi From: Nader Rastegar
4a. Armenpress - Renowned Armenian Singer Becomes UNICEF Goodwill Aamba From: sebouhz_tashjian
4b. A radical perspective on Armenian history and the role of the Artsak From: EArnavoud@aol.com
5. Fwd: trnalsation of the russian interview From: noubarpoladian
6. Re: [TheArmenianGroup] Turks Reject Idea of Armenian Genocide From: David Boyajian
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1. Fwd: Commemoration of the 92nd Anniversary of the Armenian Genocide.
Posted by: "Noubar Poladian" noubarpoladian@yahoo.com noubarpoladian
Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:38 am (PST)

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2. Fw: InHomage.com 2nd campaign for the Armenian Genocide: "Our Dead h
Posted by: "Hrant S. Vartzbedian" hrantv@dataxprs.com.eg hrantoismo
Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:38 am (PST)

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From: In Homage with Aznavour and the Switzerland- Armenia Association SAA-ASA-GSA <diaspora@inhomage. com>
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:44:54
To:memorial@inhomage. com
Subject: InHomage.com 2nd campaign for the Armenian Genocide: "Our Dead have
Names" | "Nos Martyrs ont des Noms"

English and French text / Texte en Anglais et en Français

InHomage.com: ARMENIAN GENOCIDE MARTYRS DATABASE
AND CONTACT HUB FOR SURVIVORS AND THEIR FAMILIES

BASE DE DONNEES DES MARTYRS DU GENOCIDE DES ARMENIENS ET PLATEFORME
DE CONTACTS POUR LES SURVIVANTS ET POUR LES DESCENDANTS DES VICTIMES

____________ _________ _________ _ English ____________ _________ _________

[Web Translator (www.) babelfish.altavista .com]

2nd campaign "Our Dead have Names"

Urgent Appeal to Sons and Daughters of the Armenian Genocide Survivors
4000 years of history reduced to nothing in a matter of months by the
most heinous crime that a population could experience. A genocide. A
genocide that does not finish wreaking havoc until reaching the very
core of the diaspora by the aggression of a state that does not want to
accept the truth. A genocide that wants to reduce to nothing not just
the words like those of the late Hrant Dink, but also the ancient
Armenian culture, as if these people had never lived in Asia Minor. As
if they had never even existed since according to certain Turkish's
intellectuals, a majority of the local population never learnt about
their history from school books.

For several years, the diaspora has already been fighting from all
angles the Turkish state and small extremist group revisionism that
would like to silence the just demands of the descendants of those who
survived the first genocide of the 20th century. To do this, they are
going to great lengths in referring to them in the politics of the free
states and confronting those who recognize that one day back in 1915,
April 24, following the 1894-1897 massacres, a plan was implemented to
exterminate the Armenians under cover of the First World War.

Why this reminder that each one of us, by transference, has been living
a life of sorrow for almost a century?

Because, like all Armenians, we long for nothing else than to bring
victory to an irrefutable truth. The great majority of our population
must participate in the struggle started by the representative
organizations, who are testifying to the tragedy that they suffered
first hand themselves by making the honorary gesture of creating a
memorial to bear the Names of the Martyrs eternally on
(www.) inhomage.com

This contribution is a moral obligation for those who can bring together
by number and name those members of their families who suffered this
unspeakable crime against humanity, termed "genocide" by Raphael Lemkin.

Thanks to its database and its internal messaging service, about 20
dispersed people have been able to retrace members of their family since
this website was set up. It is also one of the sources with the most
information on the diaspora's activities to raise awareness about the
Armenian Genocide.

Furthermore, you can download an exclusive slide show rendering an
account of the tribute paid to journalist Hrant Dink by Armenians from
more than 20 countries.

In 2015 we hope to have registered one million names of those who
suffered the ultimate sacrifice and to whom we simply must pay tribute.
It is time for each one of us to realize that by hiding our nation's
past, it will sooner or later become obscured in the consciences of our
descendants in centuries to come. The time is here and now for the
Armenian people to act in order to stop the violence.

I solemnly ask you to ensure the memory of our martyrs lives on in the
memorial on (www.) inhomage.com and to pass on this appeal by all means
possible so that every Armenian on our planet testifies and actively
takes part in it. To refrain would be to abandon your own identity by
leaving a gaping hole to swallow up the most grievous abuse.

"Don't let's ask what others can do for us, but rather let's ask what we
can do for the memory of our Martyrs."

Each name registered is a cry from the depths (the source of the truth).
Thank you for those awaiting liberation by our actions.

(www.) inhomage.com is supported by Charles Aznavour and many leaders of
the diaspora around the world.

Jean Eckian
(www.) inhomage.com
Independent correspondent

Take part now!

Thank you to those who have already made this powerful gesture and to
the websites carrying the inhomage.com logo-link stamp.

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denial ! armenian.ch/ saa/Pages/ time.html

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[Web Translator (www.) babelfish.altavista .com]

2ème campagne « Nos Martyrs ont des Noms »

Appel pressant aux fils et filles des survivants du Génocide des
Arméniens 4000 années d'Histoire réduites à néant en quelques mois par
le crime le plus ignoble qu'un peuple puisse connaître. Un Génocide. Un
Génocide qui n'en finit pas de faire des ravages jusque dans les foyers
de la diaspora par l'agressivité d'un Etat qui ne veut admettre la
vérité. Qui veut réduire à néant, non seulement la parole, comme celle
du regretté Hrant Dink, mais aussi la culture millénaire des arméniens,
comme si jamais ce peuple n'avait vécu en Asie Mineure. D'ailleurs, il
n'existe pas puisque selon certains intellectuels de Turquie une
majorité de la population locale n'a jamais pris connaissance de son
histoire dans les manuels scolaires.

Depuis plusieurs années déjà, la diaspora combat sur tous les fronts le
négationnisme de l'Etat turc et des groupuscules extrémistes qui
voudraient réduire au silence les justes revendications des descendants
des survivants du premier Génocide du XXème siècle. Pour ce faire, ils
emploient les grands moyens en s'insinuant dans la politique des Etats
libres et en menaçant ceux qui se permettent de reconnaître, qu'un jour
de l'année 1915, un 24 Avril, faisant suite aux massacres de 1894 à
1897, un plan d'extermination des arméniens fut mis en oeuvre à la
faveur de la première guerre mondiale.

Pourquoi ce rappel que chacun de nous, par transfert, vis
douloureusement depuis près d'un siècle ?

Parce que, si comme tous les arméniens, nous souhaitons de toutes nos
forces faire triompher une vérité indubitable, dans sa grande majorité
notre population se doit elle-même de participer aux efforts développés
par les organisations représentatives, en témoignant de la tragédie
qu'elle a elle-même subie dans sa chair en faisant le geste honorifique
de porter le Nom des Martyrs au mémorial de l'éternel souvenir
(www.) inhomage.com

Cette contribution est une obligation morale pour celles et ceux qui
peuvent reconstituer par le nombre et les noms, ceux des membres de
leurs familles ayant subi cet innommable crime contre l'humanité, appelé
Génocide par Raphael Lemkin.

Depuis la création de ce site, grâce à sa base de données et sa
messagerie interne, vingt personnes dispersées dans le monde ont pu
retrouver des membres de leurs familles. Il est aussi l'un des outils le
mieux renseigné sur les activités de la diaspora pour la reconnaissance
du Génocide arménien.

En outre, vous pourrez y télécharger un diaporama (slide show) exclusif
rendant compte de l'hommage rendu au journaliste Hrant Dink par les
arméniens de plus de vingt pays. (diffusion recommandée).

En 2015 nous devrons avoir enregistré 1 million des noms de ceux qui ont
subi le sacrifice ultime et pour lesquels nous devons absolument rendre
l'hommage qui leur est dû. Il est temps que chacun de nous prenne
conscience qu'en occultant le passé de notre nation, celui-ci viendra,
tôt ou tard, s'immiscer dans les consciences de nos descendants pour les
siècles des siècles. C'est ici et maintenant que le peuple arménien doit
agir pour que la violence cesse.

Je vous le demande solennellement, faites survivre la mémoire de nos
Martyrs dans le mémorial du souvenir (www.) inhomage.com Faites-vous le
relais de cet Appel par tous les moyens à votre disposition pour que
chaque arménien de la planète témoigne et y participe activement.
S'abstenir serait renoncer à sa propre identité en laissant une porte
béante dans laquelle s'engouffrerait les dérives les plus funestes.

« Ne nous demandons pas ce que les autres peuvent faire pour nous ?
Demandons-nous ce ce que nous pouvons faire nous-même en la mémoire de
nos Martyrs ».

Chaque nom enregistré est un cri venu des ténèbres d'où jaillira la
vérité. Merci pour ceux qui attendent la délivrance par nos actes.

(www.) inhomage.com est soutenu par Charles Aznavour et de très nombreux
leaders de la diaspora de part le monde.

Faites-le maintenant !

Jean Eckian
(www.) inhomage.com
Correspondant indépendant

Merci à celles et ceux qui ont déjà fait ce geste fort et aux sites
internet qui reproduisent le timbre-lien de InHomage.com dans leurs pages.

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3a. April 24 proclaimed Commemoration Day of Armenian Genocide victims i
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:38 am (PST)
April 24 proclaimed Commemoration Day of Armenian Genocide victims in Nevada

17.04.2007 13:10

YEREVAN (YERKIR) - Governor of American Nevada state James Gibson released an official statement, proclaiming April 24 as Commemoration Day of the Armenian Genocide victims in Nevada, Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) reports.

In his statement the governor particularly mentioned the Armenian Genocide became the first genocide in the 20th century.

In this connection ANCA reminds earlier Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger proclaimed April 22-29 as “Days of Remembrance of the Armenian Genocide”. Alongside April 24 is proclaimed as Day of Armenian Genocide in Wisconsin and Delaware states.
http://www.yerkir. am/eng/index. php?sub=news_ arm&id=30105

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3b. Re: April 24 proclaimed Commemoration Day of Armenian Genocide victi
Posted by: "Nader Rastegar" ispahan1900@yahoo.com
Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:37 am (PST)
Harut Sassounian needs to update his fantastic book!

Ara Ashjian <ara_ashjian@ yahoo.com> wrote: April 24 proclaimed Commemoration Day of Armenian Genocide victims in Nevada

17.04.2007 13:10

YEREVAN (YERKIR) - Governor of American Nevada state James Gibson released an official statement, proclaiming April 24 as Commemoration Day of the Armenian Genocide victims in Nevada, Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) reports.

In his statement the governor particularly mentioned the Armenian Genocide became the first genocide in the 20th century.

In this connection ANCA reminds earlier Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger proclaimed April 22-29 as ?Days of Remembrance of the Armenian Genocide?. Alongside April 24 is proclaimed as Day of Armenian Genocide in Wisconsin and Delaware states.
http://www.yerkir. am/eng/index. php?sub=news_ arm&id=30105

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4a. Armenpress - Renowned Armenian Singer Becomes UNICEF Goodwill Aamba
Posted by: "sebouhz_tashjian" sebouhz_tashjian@yahoo.com.au sebouhz_tashjian
Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:27 am (PST)
ARMENPRESS

RENOWNED ARMENIAN SINGER BECOMES UNICEF ARMENIA GOODWILL AMBASSADOR

YEREVAN, APRIL 18, ARMENPRESS: Armenia's renowned singer Alla
Levonyan joined today the ranks of 200 celebrities around the world
who have partnered with UNICEF to advocate for children's rights.
"Ms. Levonyan's appointment as UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador is not
just a recognition of her fame and talents, but more importantly, a
recognition of her commitment to improving the situation of children
in this country that she has demonstrated by participating in various
benevolent activities and campaigns benefiting vulnerable children,"
UNICEF Representative Sheldon Yett told a press conference at UN
House in Yerevan.
"People of all ages in this country enjoy Ms. Levonyan's music. We
at UNICEF Armenia hope that Alla Levonyan's voice will help us focus
attention on the most pressing needs of children in Armenia," the
UNICEF Representative stressed.
Celebrating Alla Levonyan's appointment, Mr. Yett presented the
newly appointed Goodwill Ambassador with a UNICEF T-shirt and a cap
symbolizing her commitment to UNICEF's mission to ensure every
child's right to health, education, equality and protection.
"I am truly honored to accept this new and challenging role.
Before this appointment I was responsible for my two children only,
now my responsibility has grown to embrace all children of Armenia. I
am excited to begin doing what I can to bring more attention to
children's issues," said Alla Levonyan.
Alla Levonyan is one of the most popular and respected singers in
Armenia, whose unique voice and talent charms Armenians and others
from all over the world. She is known for contributing proceeds from
her concerts and sales of her albums to help persons with
disabilities in Armenia.
"We are confident that Alla Levonyan will be a highly respected
and effective National Goodwill Ambassador for UNICEF who will be
able to use her talent and fame for the benefit of Armenia's
children," Sheldon Yett said.
UNICEF established its presence in Armenia in 1994. UNICEF is
mandated by the United Nations General Assembly to advocate for the
protection of children's rights, to help meet their basic needs and
to expand their opportunities to meet their full potential.

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4b. A radical perspective on Armenian history and the role of the Artsak
Posted by: "EArnavoud@aol.com" EArnavoud@aol.com arnavoudian
Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:57 am (PST)
A radical perspective on Armenian history

Bagrad Ouloubabianâ€™s â€˜The History of Artsakh: from the beginning to modern timesâ€™ is excellent for its convincing demonstration of an authentic Armenian presence in the Artsakh Karabagh region from the earliest times. Ouloubabian shows this by reference to Greek and Armenian classical historians, by an examination of architectural sources and a study of the Karabagh vernacular of the 19th and 20th centuries. He show beyond dispute that the region was not only regarded as part of Armenia but that it was inhabited by Armenians who spoke a vernacular that perhaps has the closest of ties to classical Armenian and that contributed to Armenian culture in outstanding ways. Such a demonstration is necessary against those who argue that the region never had a genuine Armenian presence and that it was in fact non-Armenian land colonised by Armenians and the Armenian Church in particular.

In this context Oloubabian advances a radical and very convincing perspective on Artsakhâ€™s role modern Armenian history and in Armenian history across the millenniums. He dismisses as pitiful ignorance and misperception that widely held view that for some five centuries after the collapse of the Bagratouni dynasty and the Armenian Cilician Monarchy Armenians and Armenia remained stateless and without autonomous politics or political power. No he argues, decidedly not! From the 14th century right up to the 19th, despite in weakened form, in a much diminished size and significantly reduced political and military significance Armenian elites, some tracing an ancient lineage, led and maintained significant relatively independent principalities throughout eastern Armenia.

Led by â€˜Meliksâ€™ these principalities were in most cases vassals of Persian power, but they enjoyed important social, political and military rights. Sometimes fostered by Persian leaders as bastions against the threat of Ottoman attack and so encouraged to retain their own significant armed forces. With these military forces they battled foreign and in particular Ottoman aggression repeatedly and successfully and in some eras secured substantial independence â€“ the David Beg era being the most well known. In alliance with a sturdy Church organisation the mere existence and endurance of these principalities served to sustain an important sense of independent Armenian identity and interest and it is this that fed the course of national revival later that was to bloom most strongly in the east.

Flowing from this consideration of its role in modern Armenian history Oloubabian makes his second equally interesting point. He argues that across some 5 or so millenniums the focus of Armenian power and survival shifted three times. In the earliest stage it was in Van Vasbourakan and then moved to the Ararat region during the Ardashessian, Arshagouni and Bagratouni eras. But from the 14th century Artskah and the eastern most regions of Armenia play a decisive role in Armenian history.

Whatever the disputes about such a characterisation it is stimulating of debate and helps in part explain why Tsarist power was so hostile to any notion of Armenian political independence and why the Tsars did away with the Meliks that the Persians had accepted. Tsarist power more than it feared competition from a formidable Armenian merchant/commercial capital, feared an alliance between this capital and the Armenian principalities of Artsakh that in the 1720s, as well as before and after, had demonstrated such military prowess.

In alliance with eastern Armenian political power Armenian capital and an Armenian state could emerge as a very dangerous competitor in the region. So on seizing eastern Armenian in the early 1800s the Tsarist state set about the final destruction of the meliks and of relatively independent Armenian political forces that had survived through the centuries. With Armenian political forces out of the way, Armenian merchant commercial capital and finance having no possibility of an independent base of its own became even more beholden to and dependent upon their imperial masters.

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5. Fwd: trnalsation of the russian interview
Posted by: "noubarpoladian" noubarpoladian@yahoo.com noubarpoladian
Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:01 am (PST)
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An interview with a famous Armenian writer Ara Baliozian

Ara Hakopian: Ara, your works have been translated into French,
German, Greek, Spanish, Dutch, and Armenian. Several months ago your
book "The Horrible Silence" was published in a Russian translation.
This is the first time you have been translated and published in
Russian. What are your expectations from the Russian edition and from
the Russian-speaking reader in general?
Ara Baliozian: Like all writers my first and most important
ambition is to be read, understood and appreciated, or rather in our
case, not to be misunderstood.
A.H.: You are 70 years old. You have dedicated much of your life to
literature, Armenian literature to be more precise. Why?
A.B.: I love all literatures regardless of race, color, and creed.
I went into translating Armenian writers into English because I
thought our translators had ignored some of our ablest writers.
A.H.: Have you ever regretted that decision?
A.B.: No, never! Sometimes I even think it was not a decision but
an inevitable turning point in my life that I had no choice but to
accept and adapt. As a boy in Greece I had the awareness and values
of a barbarian. In Venice I discovered civilization. When I came to
Canada at the age of twenty I had no qualifications whatever. I
worked at a variety of jobs for minimum wage in department stores,
factories, and insurance companies. These were not the happiest years
of my life – the cultural shock, the complexities of the English
language, the isolation, and life in the middle of nowhere… What
saved me was the wonderful Canadian library system. I spent most of
my free time reading. I couldn't afford doing anything else anyway. I
saved as much as I could for an early retirement.
A.H.: What is the hardest thing about being an Armenian writer?
A.B.: Survival.
A.H.: By that you mean–
A.B.: Literally, survival… making minimum wage. I have noticed
that, whenever I say that to an activist or a partisan, he pretends
surprise. "I didn't know that!" he says. But the first question that
I am asked again and again by ordinary Armenians is: "If you are a
full-time writer, how do you survive?"
A.H.: Were there moments when you were desperate and thought about
quitting literature?
A.B.: Yes, of course. But literature and music, especially organ
music, never lost their fascination for me. I spent most of my free
time reading and working on the organ and the piano. After I quit my
job as a clerk in an insurance company, I became the permanent
organist in a Catholic church; also a piano teacher at home.
A.H.: I suppose you like Bach?
A.B.: It would be more accurate to say that I worship him; if there
is one thing that I regret is that unlike Wanda Landowska, Albert
Schweitzer, and Glenn Gould, I have not dedicated my life to him.
A.H.: Did it take you long to publish your first book since you
decided to dedicate your life to literature on a full-time basis?
A.B.: For many years after we came to Canada I had no hope of being
an Armenian writer. Instead I became a Canadian writer, producing
work for Canadian audiences, fiction, radio plays, and essays. Then
in 1975 on the 60th anniversary of the Genocide a friend from Toronto
asked me to write a brief introductory pamphlet on Armenians to be
distributed freely to Canadians. The brief pamphlet became a
paperback book, and a few years later, in a revised and expanded
edition, a textbook that was used widely in several Armenian schools.
A.H.: And that success was an inspiration to continue?
A.B.: Yes, but it was less my idea than that of my editors and
publishers. I have been asked to expand and update it by several
publishers and I have consistently refused.
A.H.: Why?
A.B.: Because I do not consider it an impartial and objective book.
It is rather a product tinged with nationalist sentiment that
emphasizes our positives (or successes) and ignores and covers up our
negatives (our failings).
A.H.: Is that bad?
A.B.: Yes, because it promotes chauvinism, egocentrism,
narcissism.. .which also mean a reluctance to face our problems
today...and we face many problems.
A.H.: Such as?
A.B.: Absence of solidarity being only one of them. Another, the
waste of funds in maintaining several churches, schools, community
centers, and newspapers in the same community when one would be more
than enough.
A.H.: You started with writing fiction. Why did you turn to non-
fiction later?
A.B.: I don't remember to have ever made a conscious decision one
way or the other. Instead I allowed time and my natural inclination
to choose for me. After doing all kinds of work against my will and
because I had no choice, I exercised complete freedom in my choice of
writing. When I met a group of actors who needed plays, I wrote half
a dozen of them. When I met an editor who was in need of fiction I
wrote fiction. I did not have a five- or 10-year plans. And now that
I no longer write on demand I write whatever comes to mind and
whenever I feel like it.
A.H.: "I write to explain the incomprehensible to myself, and I
write only when my explanations clash with conventional wisdom." Your
words. In that connection I remember your book "Definitions. A
Critical Companion to Armenian History and Culture." It is quite a
unique book. You gathered different words and people who in one way
or another relate to Armenia and Armenians. The book could be called
the Armenian explanatory dictionary with the only difference that
explanations in that dictionary are given not from the conventional
point of view but from the critical viewpoint. "A Book for Everyone
and No One"?
A.B.: I prefer to think of it as a book dedicated to our chauvinist
fanatics.
A.H.: Who is the primary target of your criticism?
A.B.: Anyone who thinks he knows and understands everything he
needs to know and understand. I believe knowledge and understanding
are processes without an end. Those who believe otherwise are the
source of all blunders and disasters.
A.H.: When I told a friend of mine that I was going to interview
you, he asked me to address this question to you: "Do you think
making your concerns public in an open website accessible to all may
have an adverse effect on the efforts of those Armenians who
sincerely strive to advance the cause of justice for their nation,
and Armenians' image in the world?"
A.B.: Justice is a noble concept of course provided it is fair,
objective and impartial. In a court of law, there is the prosecution,
the defense, the judge, and the jury. Our sympathies are with the
victim, of course, but that does not mean the victim should be
allowed to reach the verdict. If I am critical of the victim it is
because I want to strengthen the case for the prosecution. In the
long run, a prejudiced or unfair prosecution may do more harm than
good to the Cause.
A.H.: You mentioned Greece and Italy. Tell me more about those
periods of your life.
A.B.: I was four years old when World War II erupted and Greece was
occupied by the Germans. We lost everything - literally. Both our
house and my father's store went up in smoke. For the duration we
became homeless people dependent on the charity of relatives and
parcels from America.
A.H.: What was the life of Armenians like in Greece at that time?
A.B.: In 1941 a great many people in Athens died of starvation in
the streets. Then after the liberation in 1945, Greece was plunged
into civil war, which lasted as long as the world war.
A.H.: And you moved to Venice to Collegio Armeno Moorat Raphael to
study?
A.B.: That was in 1953. That's where I discovered the 19th-century
Russians beginning with Dostoevsky. That's also when I discovered
classical music, beginning with Rossini. I studied the piano. For a
while I wasn't sure if I wanted to dedicate my life to music or
literature. I may even have thought I could do both, because my
dedication to both was wholehearted and uncompromising to the point
of being obsessive.
A.H.: And why did you move to Canada then?
A.B.: In the postwar years there was a general exodus of Armenians
from Greece: some went to Armenia, others to Australia, South
America, United States, and Canada. Since we had some relatives in
Detroit, which is near the Canadian border, we immigrated to Canada
hoping soon to join our relatives but that never happened. We bought
a house, we found jobs, we became Canadian citizens, and decided to
make Canada our permanent home.
A.H.: At that time there must have been very few Armenians in the
neighborhood and Canada in general?
A.B.: In Kitchener, the city where we moved and live today, there
were no more than about a dozen families. The Armenian community of
Toronto, the nearest city, was more numerous but also scattered. The
atmosphere was, unlike that of Greece, thoroughly alien and
unArmenian.
A.H.: Now there must be more Armenians in Canada?
A.B.: Armenians in Canada are much more numerous and active today
with schools and churches and community centers, newspapers,
different organizations and cultural institutions, including a weekly
TV program. This happened after the exodus from the Middle East
during the civil war there.
A.H.: I think I wouldn't be wrong if I said that in every diaspora
there is a problem of assimilation. Do you see assimilation as a
serious threat to our future as a diaspora?
A.B.: Also to our future as a nation. Where would Israel be today
without its diaspora? The Azeris have oil on their side, we have our
diaspora.
A.H.: How do you explain the fact that our assimilation rate in the
Middle East or even in the Ottoman Empire was much lower than in the
United States and Canada, which are close and familiar to you?
A.B.: The Middle East is tribal. There are many walls that separate
the different groups – the religious wall being the strongest. Here
in the United States and Canada we are Christians among Christians.
There are other reasons too: we are spread out on a vast continent
whose culture is more egalitarian, open, tolerant, and progressive
than ours, which is why there are those who view assimilation as a
healthy and desirable development.
A.H.: In other words, cultural differences in some places serve as
a deterrent factor while in other places they are at the roots of
bringing people together? Some dualism?
A.B.: Yes. Cultural differences perhaps are at the roots of our
many conflicts, grudges, and unsettled scores. In that sense they may
even be qualified as "anti-cultural differences. " Because real
culture does not or should not promote intolerance and atrocities,
but mutual understanding.
A.H.: Going back to literature. In your best-selling book `The
Armenians: Their History and Culture" you dedicate a 100-page section
to the history of Armenian literature.
A.B.: Most odars don't know anything about Armenian literature. But
this is true also of most Armenians. I wanted to emphasize that
aspect of our achievements perhaps because our achievements in the
political sphere have been dismal. We have nothing to brag about our
political leadership. The same cannot be said about our intellectual
achievements.
A.H.: Have you ever thought of expanding it to a book or several
volumes?
A.B.: Yes, I have. But like so many other projects, I had to
discard it.
A.H.: Why? There would be a high demand for such a book.
A.B.: It is not a question of demand but cooperation. There are no
Armenian publishers in the Diaspora and partisans and ideologues
control those that exist. Which means it is not easy producing an
objective assessment. As for odar publishers: they tend to view such
projects with suspicion because they are not familiar with what they
call the "ethnic" market. An Armenian writer has no choice but to act
as his own editor, publisher, promoter, and distributor. Even then,
without the cooperation of our community centers and churches, there
isn't much he can do.
A.H.: The Armenian writer seems to be, using Gostan Zarian's
words, "a radio station in the middle of a storm sending messages to
distant places and receiving no answer."
A.B.: In general, yes, if he doesn't belong to a party or
organization, i.e. if he doesn't flatter the ego of a boss or a
bishop, he operates in a vacuum and as a stranger in a strange land.
A.H.: These words by Zarian could be applied to himself also?
A.B.: Yes, Zarian never enjoyed the support of our elites. I
consider that one of his greatest achievements – the general
hostility he aroused among Armenians everywhere, Homeland as well as
Diaspora, intellectuals as well as political activists and religious
leaders. Everyone has something nasty to say about him. They cannot
attack his ideas, so they attack the man. Even his application to the
Writer's Union of Soviet Armenia was rejected. Socrates once said
that his poverty was proof of his honesty. Zarian's unpopularity may
be said to be proof of his integrity. Somewhere in one of his books
he says that the door between him and Armenian intellectuals has
always been half closed. Odar writers like Lawrence Durrell have
written more knowledgeably about Zarian than our own intellectuals.
A.H.: I didn't mention Zarian by chance. You have translated many
of his works into English. He is your favorite writer, isn't he?
A.B.: Yes, he is. You see, Zarian could condense in a single brief
paragraph what others failed to understand after a lifetime of hard
work. Zarian is a giant of 20th century world literature who can
stand comparison with such modern masters as James Joyce, Thomas
Mann, and Jean-Paul Sartre. His worldview, his penetrating
understanding of many aspects of human conduct and character, his
many personal contacts and correspondence with some of the greatest
writers, artists, and composers of the West made of him a truly
universal and cosmopolitan genius.
A.H.: What other Armenian writers would you mention?
A.B.: Zarian has no equal in our literature because he lived to a
ripe old age. By contrast Talaat and Stalin murdered most of our
other writers, like Bakounts, Zabel Yessayan, Charents, Zohrab,
Zartarian, Daniel Varoujan, and many others at an early age. Even
more devastating has been the philistinism of our own political
leadership that has exhibited a marked preference for propaganda.
A.H.: You said that our translators had ignored some of our
greatest writers.
A.B.: For some reason our translators prefer translating poetry,
perhaps because poetry allows them more freedom and is less-time
consuming. When I started translating I planned issuing brief volumes
dedicated each to 40 or 50 of our ablest writers, similar to what I
did with "Zohrab: An Introduction. " But since I could not obtain the
cooperation of any one of our cultural organizations, I gave up the
project.
A.H.: I should say that your collection and translation of Zohrab's
works is marvelous! Really wonderful!
A.B.: I think many of our writers fully deserve that kind of
treatment.
A.H.: Thank you for the interesting conversation and I hope your
first book in Russian will be welcomed with interest and
understanding and will not be the last one.
A.B.: It has been a pleasure talking to you. Thank you!

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6. Re: [TheArmenianGroup] Turks Reject Idea of Armenian Genocide
Posted by: "David Boyajian" dboyajian@msn.com david_boyajian
Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:58 am (PST)

The US group - Terror Free Tomorrow - that conducted this absurd survey is
composed of a bunch of members of the military-industrial complex and people
like madman John McCain and the pathetic, senile idiot, Lee Hamilton.

The very idea of asking the perpetrators of a genoiide - Turks - whether
they want that genocide to be acknowledged is beyond stupid.

http://www.terrorfr eetomorrow. org/template. php?section= AU

Dave Boyajian

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Subject: [TheArmenianGroup] Turks Reject Idea of Armenian Genocide
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:02:45 -0700 (PDT)

Angus Reid Global Monitor : Polls & Research Turks Reject Idea of Armenian
Genocide April 17, 2007

(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - A large number of people in Turkey
disagree with an initiative of the United States Congress to recognize the
death of thousands of Armenians as a state-sponsored extermination
campaign, according to a poll by Terror Free Tomorrow. 77.7 per cent of
respondents oppose the "Armenian Genocide" resolution.
Relations between Armenia and Turkey are still tense due to historical
factors. In 1915, the government of the Ottoman Empire—formed by members of
the Turkish nationalist Committee of Union and Progress (ITC)—ordered
hundreds of thousands of Armenians to relocate from the Caucasus to
Mesopotamia.
The state-sponsored deportation campaign led to a high number of
Armenian fatalities, estimated at anywhere from 200,000 to 1.8 million.
While some scholars believe the campaign was a deliberate attempt to
exterminate Armenians, Turkey has never formally accepted the use of the
>term "genocide" to describe the event. In March 2005, Turkish prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan called for an
impartial investigation of Armenian claims, saying, "We do not want future
>generations to live under the shadow of continued hatred and resentment." On Mar. 28, a U.S. Senate panel condemned the murder of a
Turkish-Armenian editor, Hrant Dink, who had urged Turks to acknowledge the
mass killings of Armenians. The U.S. Congress is now considering a
resolution that would recognize the events as "genocide."
Following the Senate panel resolution, Foreign Relations Committee
chairman and Delaware senator Joe Biden said he would not back down under
Turkish pressure, saying, "A relationship that rests on a requirement of a
denial of an historical event, is not a sound basis for a relationship. "
In October 2006, France’s National Assembly approved a bill that makes
it a crime to deny that the state-sponsored deportation campaign undertaken
by the Turkish government from 1915 to 1917 actually constituted a
genocide.
Polling Data
The U.S. Congress is considering a resolution, which will recognize—I
will now read to you its exact words: "the Armenian Genocide." Do you
strongly favour, somewhat favour, are neutral, somewhat oppose, or strongly
oppose this resolution?
Strongly favour
4.2%
Somewhat favour
3.2%
Neutral
8.5%
Somewhat oppose
11.4%
Strongly oppose
66.3%
Don’t know / No answer
6.3%

Source: Terror Free Tomorrow
Methodology: Face-to-face interviews with 1,021 Turkish adults, conducted

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1a. Re: Refugees seek a new life to get over the nightmares
Posted by: "Vanessa Kachadurian" wittyhye@yahoo.com wittyhye
Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:02 am (PST)
Paragraph 4 is a perfect example of how different populations live in harmony with one another. Then the leaders / politics create a hatred for one group or another. Sadly, some misinformed or unintelligent people follow their leader's propaganda whereas they label one group as the "enemy" such as what the Ottoman Empire did to the minority Christian subjects. "The enemy" "unbelievers" "taking money from us" "Christian devils, etc., etc., Amazing how many people will listen to this garbage and turn on their neighbor.

raffi baltaian <raffibaltaian@ yahoo.com> wrote: Iraq Conference: Refugees seek a new life to get over the nightmares

CAIRO, Egypt, April 13 (UNHCR) – The brutal experiences of one Iraqi family in Baghdad, their life as refugees in Cairo and their expected resettlement to Australia provide a glimpse of the crisis as the UN refugee agency convenes an international conference on those displaced by the violence in Iraq.
"How long will the world watch our tragedy on television screens and stay silent about our suffering? Iraq is bleeding and Iraqis are suffering," said Adel*, a 48-old-Iraqi refugee who arrived in Egypt with his wife Shareefa* and their three children in 2005 after being driven out of Baghdad by sectarian violence, kidnapping and death threats.
UNHCR will host an international conference on refugees and internally displaced people in Iraq and the surrounding region next Tuesday and Wednesday, seeking a continuing global commitment to find solutions. More than 450 participants from at least 60 nations, 37 inter-governmental organisations and 64 non-governmental organisations have registered.
UNHCR and its partners estimate there are close to two million Iraqis displaced within Iraq and a similar number outside – mainly in Syria and Jordan and nearby countries such as Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey and Iran. While many had left before 2003, increasing numbers of Iraqis are now fleeing their homes – up to 50,000 a month.
In a modest one-bedroom apartment in the city of 6th of October on the outskirts of Cairo, where many Iraqis have now settled and live off small business, Adel tearfully described how his family became part of the refugee statistic.
"At age 48, I was at the peak of my career with a good life. I was the director of a multinational company in Iraq working in the private sector, making good money and raising a family," said Adel. "You were safe and secure if you stayed away from politics and the regime. We were Sunni, Shiite, Christian neighbours, brothers and friends but then everything suddenly changed."
Adel said the first few months after the U.S.-led invasion were relatively calm but by the middle of 2004, the situation was getting worse by the day.
"We were an easy target because my husband worked in the private sector and had name recognition in the business community," said Shareefa. Soon the family started to receive death threats written on white paper – in blood –telling them to leave the neighbourhood.
"We never paid attention to these threats in the beginning, till one night the door was banging really hard and before we knew it there were more than 100 people in our home all dressed in black with masked faces. Imagine 100 people in a two-storey home," recalled Adel. "They dragged my 16-year-old, beating him up and then took him outside to a car. They started beating me up till I passed out."
The militia men looted their home and the family's life savings before driving Adel and his son to an unknown location where they were tortured for three weeks. When they were finally released, they were warned not to go back to their home and to immediately leave Iraq.
"Our story is the story of many other Iraqis from all factions who are subject to daily threats. We immediately realised that we have no other option but to leave immediately, " said Shareefa. In Cairo they are no longer in danger, but life is difficult and they still suffer from the traumas of their experience.
"We finally feel safe and secure but we are having a hard time surviving, especially with a six-year-old who is psychologically traumatised after being beaten up by the militias and seeing his father and brother tortured and kidnapped. He needs special care," said Shareefa, breaking down in tears.
"How can one forget these scenes? My five-year-old on the floor and one of the militia men standing with his shoes pressing on the child's neck and head. The boy immediately lost control and started urinating. I cannot forget these scenes."
Adel registered the family with UNHCR as soon as they arrived in Cairo. "I am not sure what we would have done without the help we received from UNHCR. We were about to be deported for overstaying our visa but the authorities granted us resident permits after UNHCR intervened," said Adel.
There are more than 100,000 Iraqis in Egypt. The UN refugee agency has registered 6,400 Iraqis, with another 6,200 registration interviews scheduled. The total is large, but dwarfed by the estimated 1.2 million Iraqis now in Syria and 750,000 in Jordan. In addition there are up to 40,000 Iraqis in Lebanon, 54,000 in Iran ,10,000 in Turkey and 1000 in Armenia(IragiArmeni ans)
The family awaits a new life in Australia, reporting that they have been accepted by the government under a special humanitarian programme outside the resettlement programme operated by UNHCR.
"We are vulnerable, demoralised and have lost interest in everything in life. We hope that we can start a new life and forget the wounds and scars that we will carry along for many years to come," said Mahmoud*, the 16-year-old son. "I can't ever go back to Iraq. I get nightmares every time I put my head on the pillow."
*Name changed for protection reasons
By Abeer Etefa
in Cairo, Egypt

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2a. Bible publishers killed in Turkey
Posted by: "yousuf_yacoub" yousuf_yacoub@yahoo.com yousuf_yacoub
Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:04 am (PST)
Bible publishers killed in Turkey
Kaynak: USA TODAY
Yer: USA
Tarih: 18.4.2007

The three victims were found with their throats slit and their hands
and legs bound, Malatya Gov. Ibrahim Dasoz said. One was found still
alive, and was taken to the hospital but later died, he said, adding
that one victim may have been German.

None of the victims' nationalities could immediately be confirmed.

A fourth man who jumped from a window to escape was hospitalized
with injuries, officials said. Dr. Murat Cem Miman told CNN-Turk
television that the man was undergoing surgery for head trauma.

Police detained four suspects, and were investigating whether the
man who jumped from the window could have been one of the attackers,
Dasoz said. Police were expected to release information about the
attack later Wednesday.

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The Zirve publishing house, in the city of Malatya, has been the
site of previous protests by nationalists accusing it of
proselytizing in this 99-percent Muslim but secular country, Dogan
news agency reported.

Zirve's general manager told CNN-Turk that his employees had
recently been threatened. "We know that they have been receiving
some threats," Hamza Ozant said, but could not say who the threats
came from.

Video footage broadcast on the private NTV news channel showed
police tackling one man outside the publishing house, and rescue
workers loading another man in a neck brace onto a stretcher.

Attacks have become more common against members of Turkey's tiny
Christian community, which comprises less than 1% of the population,
and concerns have grown that nationalism and hostility toward non-
Muslims are rising.

In February 2006, a Turkish teenager shot

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2b. Re: Bible publishers killed in Turkey
Posted by: "VANArmenya cdbaby.com tsri lsi" vanarmenya@yahoo.com vanarmenya
Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:39 am (PST)
Not just killed but
throats slit and their
hands and legs bound.

Turks will do anything to suppress
the real story of their origin as
slaves to the Arabs, and offspring
of millions of abducted Christians.

People get VERY ANGRY when the
truth is something they fear. i personally
like Mongol people. TurkoMongols should
be proud of their origin as slaves and
accept that their genes are 85%
"Christian" in origin!

The people who had their throats slit
should be in our prayers tonight. They
were martyrs for Christianity and for
real Islam. Real Islamic people do
not slit throats of Christians. Real Islamic
people are people of peace and tolerance
and generosity to the poor, so SHAME on these
Godless, history-less so-called Turks.

How they can be forgiven is beyond me.

VAN ZAKAREAN

yousuf_yacoub <yousuf_yacoub@ yahoo.com> wrote:
Bible publishers killed in Turkey
Kaynak: USA TODAY
Yer: USA
Tarih: 18.4.2007

The three victims were found with their throats slit and their hands
and legs bound, Malatya Gov. Ibrahim Dasoz said. One was found still
alive, and was taken to the hospital but later died, he said, adding
that one victim may have been German.

None of the victims' nationalities could immediately be confirmed.

A fourth man who jumped from a window to escape was hospitalized
with injuries, officials said. Dr. Murat Cem Miman told CNN-Turk
television that the man was undergoing surgery for head trauma.

Police detained four suspects, and were investigating whether the
man who jumped from the window could have been one of the attackers,
Dasoz said. Police were expected to release information about the
attack later Wednesday.

FIND MORE STORIES IN: Wednesday | Muslim | Turkey | Christian |
Istanbul | Bible | Assailants
The Zirve publishing house, in the city of Malatya, has been the
site of previous protests by nationalists accusing it of
proselytizing in this 99-percent Muslim but secular country, Dogan
news agency reported.

Zirve's general manager told CNN-Turk that his employees had
recently been threatened. "We know that they have been receiving
some threats," Hamza Ozant said, but could not say who the threats
came from.

Video footage broadcast on the private NTV news channel showed
police tackling one man outside the publishing house, and rescue
workers loading another man in a neck brace onto a stretcher.

Attacks have become more common against members of Turkey's tiny
Christian community, which comprises less than 1% of the population,
and concerns have grown that nationalism and hostility toward non-
Muslims are rising.

In February 2006, a Turkish teenager shot

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3. EU to seal deal on 'diluted' legislation criminalising denial of the
Posted by: "Armen" armsef@yahoo.com armsef
Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:05 am (PST)
Note the following sentence in the second to last paragraph:
"The measure has also been drafted to prevent it creating an EU-wide
rule covering the denial of other historical events such as the
Armenian genocide."

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EU to seal deal on 'diluted' legislation criminalising denial of the
Holocaust
By Stephen Castle in Brussels
Published: 19 April 2007

Holocaust denial will be punishable by jail terms across the EU - but
only if it incites violence or hatred against specific groups - under
measures due to be agreed today.

After six years of negotiation, the agreement is likely to be sealed,
despite pressure from Baltic states for the crimes committed by
Stalin to be brought into the scope of the law.

In 2005, Luxembourg tried to use its EU presidency to push through
tough EU-wide legislation on the subject but was blocked by Italy's
centre-right government, which has lost power. Last year the
temperature rose again following the publication by a Danish
newspaper of 12 caricatures of the Prophet Mohamed, sparking protests
that highlighted European divisions about freedom of expression.

Consensus over the deal has been achieved by whittling away at the
impact of the legislation, leaving a great deal of discretion to
individual countries to implement their own law.

British officials said yesterday that the text would require no legal
changes in the UK, which has long punished incitement to racial
hatred and last year passed a Religious and Racial Hatred Act. They
say that academic freedom to question aspects of the Holocaust or
other historical events would not be compromised in Britain.

The latest draft text would criminalise those guilty of "publicly
condoning or grossly trivialising" crimes of genocide recognised by
the International Criminal Court "when the conduct is carried out in
a manner likely to incite violence or hatred".

There will be no Europe-wide ban on the use of Nazi symbols - one of
the original objectives of the law's drafters. National legislation
in many nations, including Germany and Austria, already goes much
further and will remain in force in those countries. All 27 EU
nations will have to ensure that maximum jail terms of one to three
years are at the disposal of their courts. Britain's most severe
tariff for such offences is already seven years.

The European Network Against Racism said it was worried about a deal
on "a weak framework decision on racism and xenophobia" which would
be "without any substantial intent to provide strengthened
protections for those who experience racist crime and violence in
Europe". The measure has also been drafted to prevent it creating an
EU-wide rule covering the denial of other historical events such as
the Armenian genocide. Britain also pressed successfully for a
provision to ensure that attacks on religions are covered only when
they are of a xenophobic or racist nature. That means that a
criticism of Islam or other faiths would not, per se, fall into the
scope of the text.

Last night, Lithuania and Estonia said they were unlikely to block a
deal. They had pressed hard for the crimes committed by the Soviet
Union under Stalin to be brought into the scope of the law. That was
resisted by most countries but a compromise was being drawn up which
will include a political declaration condemning the mass murder
committed under Stalin.

http://news. independent. co.uk/europe/ article2461431. ece

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4. If this not make you feel proud to be an Armenian, tell me what doe
Posted by: "gyakoobian" gyakoobian@yahoo.com gyakoobian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:06 am (PST)
We Are Few But We Are Called Armenians
by Paruyr Sevak

We are few but we are called Armenians
We do not put ourselves above anyone
Simply we also admit that we, only we have Mount Ararat
And that it is right here on the clear Sevan
that the sky could make its exact duplicate
Simply David has indeed fought right here
Simply the Narek was written right here
Simply we know how to build from the rock, a monastery
How to make fish from stone, how to make man from clay
To learn to become the student of the beautiful,
the kind, the noble, and the good

We are few, but we are called Armenians
We do not put ourselves above anyone
Simply our fortune has just been so different
Simply we have just shed too much blood
Simply in our lives of centuries long
When we were many and when we were strong
Even then we did not oppress any nation
See, centuries have come and centuries have passed
Yet over no one have we become tyrants
If we have enslaved, only with our eyes
And if we have ruled, only with our books
If we have prevailed, only with our talents
And if we have ever oppressed,
it has only been with our wounds

Simply with us death had fallen in love
Yet we willingly did not give ourselves
And when we were forced to leave our own land
Where ever we reached, where ever we went
Everywhere we left indelible trace
We have joined efforts for everyone, always
We plowed everywhere, we built bridges, we tied arches
We plowed everywhere and we brought forth crops
We gave everyone mind, proverbs, and songs
Another words we defended them from spiritual coldness
Every where we left our eyes reflection
A peace of our soul and a sacrament from the heart itself

We are few, truly, but we are Armenians
And by being few we do not succumb
Because it is better to be few in life, then to control life by being
many
Because it is better rather to be few, then to be masters by being
many
Because it is better to be few, then to be swindlers
We are few, yes, but we are Armenians

And we know how to sigh from yet unhealed wounds
But with a new juice we rejoice and we cheer
We know how to thrust into the foe's side
And how to lend a helping hand to our friend
How to repay goodness which was done to us
by compensating for each one by ten
And the benefit of it just in the sun
We vote with our lives, not only with our hands
Yet if they desire to rule us with force
We know how to smoke and how to quench their fire
And if it is needed to disperse darkness
we can turn into ashes like burning candles
And we know as well how to make love with lust
And we do this always by respecting others
See we do not put ourselves above anyone,
but we know ourselves We are called Armenians
And why should we not feel pride about that
We are, We shall be, and become many

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5. Pallone and Knollenberg urged President Bush to reaffirm U.S. record
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:06 am (PST)
Pallone and Knollenberg urged President Bush to reaffirm U.S. record on Armenian Genocide 18.04.2007 14:01 GMT+04:00
/PanARMENIAN. Net/ Co-Chairs of the Congressional Caucus on Armenian Issues Reps. Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) and Joseph Knollenberg (R-MI), for sending a letter today, urging President George W. Bush to reaffirm the United States’ record on the Armenian Genocide in his upcoming April 24th commemorative statement, the Armenian Assembly of America reports.

Last year in his annual commemorative speech, the President noted that it was a "tragedy for all humanity and one that we and the world must never forget," but he has repeatedly failed to use the word genocide when referencing the tragic killings of 1.5 million Armenians from 1915-1923 by the Ottoman Turks.

In their letter, the Co-Chairs encouraged the President to recognize the atrocities committed against the Armenian people as genocide stating in part: "The United States must never allow crimes against humanity to pass without remembrance and condemnation. " In addition the letter emphasizes the importance of the U.S. commitment to prevent future occurrences of genocide, reiterating that "it is imperative that we pay tribute to the memory of others who have suffered and to never forget the past."

This year, Armenians across the world will commemorate the 92nd anniversary of the Armenian Genocide. On Capitol Hill, Pallone and Knollenberg, in conjunction with the Armenian Embassy and Armenian-American organizations, will be spearheading an April 24th event.
http://www.panarmen ian.net/news/ eng/?nid= 21917

6. FuelCellWorks.com - H2 ECOnomy unveils a groundbreaking renewable en
Posted by: "sebouhz_tashjian" sebouhz_tashjian@yahoo.com.au sebouhz_tashjian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:07 am (PST)
"H2 ECOnomy, an Armenia-based international high-tech fuel cell R&D
company, unveiled a renewable energy system that it developed as part
of the U.S. government's Global Initiatives for Proliferation
Prevention (GIPP) project."

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FuelCellWorks. com

H2 ECOnomy unveils a groundbreaking renewable energy combination

Publication Date:18-April- 2007
09:30 AM US Eastern Timezone

Source:FuelCell Works

H2 ECOnomy, an Armenia-based international high-tech fuel cell R&D
company, unveiled a renewable energy system that it developed as part
of the U.S. government's Global Initiatives for Proliferation
Prevention (GIPP) project. Attending the opening and demonstration
event were representatives of US National Renewable Energy,
International Science and Technology Center , Republic of Armenia and
US government officials, energy related non-governmental agencies and
other dignitaries.
The system includes a photovoltaic module consisting of 30 PV panels
capable of generating power of up to 4kW, a PEM electrolyzer with
hydrogen storage tanks, a conventional UPS and a 1 kW PEM fuel cell
backup power system developed and prototyped by H2 ECOnomy.

During the daytime the excess electric power produced by the PV
panels is converted into hydrogen by the electrolyzer, which is then
utilized by the fuel cell system when necessary to generate
electricity. This combined system provides backup / uninterruptible
power supply to one of the laboratories at H2 ECOnomy.

Developed in partnership with US National Renewable Energy
Laboratory, the system is a concept and demonstration of the
distributed generation for the future. It appears to be a unique
installation in the entire region, including Eastern Europe , the
former Soviet Union and the Middle East .

H2 ECOnomy is a vibrant company leading the way to energy resources
for the 21st century. Founded in 2000 and incorporated in 2002, H2
ECOnomy has grown to become a productive research and development
company. The company's expertise encompasses conductive composite
materials, catalyst chemistry, polymer chemistry, electronic design,
embedded systems and system integration. Knowledge in these fields
has led to the creation of fuel cells for the educational and
demonstration markets, sold worldwide through distributors in the US,
Europe and Asia. H2 ECOnomy's capabilities have been acknowledged by
the receipt of a two-year US Department of Energy Initiatives for
Proliferation Prevention (IPP) research grant, and its extension to
install the subject matter system. The U.S. Department of Energy has
provided US$ 620 thousand to H2 ECOnomy for the IPP project, of which
US$ 100,000 were used to create the combined renewable energy
system.

For more information about H2 ECOnomy, please visit the company's
website at http://www.h2econom y.com or contact info@h2economy. com .

http://www.fuelcell sworks.com/ Supppage7218. html

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7. ARMENIANS OF JAVAKHK DEMAND A STATUS FOR THE ARMENIAN LANGUAGE
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:07 am (PST)
AZG Armenian Daily #072, 19/04/2007
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ARMENIANS OF JAVAKHK DEMAND A STATUS FOR THE ARMENIAN LANGUAGE
Several Armenian NGOs went out to a demonstration on April 13th demanding a second regional language status for the Armenian language. The Law about the appointment of the officials who are fluent in Georgian had been continuously broken, announced the representatives of the NGO-s. Besides of the above mentioned the demonstrators demanded to simplify the visa regime with Russia, return the Armenian directors to the Armenian schools and to carry on the legal procedures in Armenian.
As the governor of the Samtskhe-Javakhk region declared the demonstration had not been allowed but the municipality let the demonstrators finish their action.
From his point of view the people of the region did not show assistance to the demonstration.
By Aghavni Harutyunian
http://www.azg. am/?lang= EN&num=200704190 3

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8. RA leader voiced hope for soonest resolution of conflicts in Middle
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:08 am (PST)
RA leader voiced hope for soonest resolution of conflicts in Middle East

19.04.2007 13:23

YEREVAN (YERKIR) - Armenia supports the stance of Arab states in all international institutions, RA President Robert Kocharian said during a visit to Egypt. He also voiced hope for soonest resolution of the conflicts in the Middle East.

When representing Armenia’s position on the Iraqi problem, President Kocharian noted that activities should be carried out in three main directions: gradual reduction of foreign military contingent, establishment of dialogue between local ethnic groups, engagement of interested states into establishment of stability. Armenia is also interested in soonest settlement of the Lebanese problem, Robert Kocharian said, the Armenian Public Television reports.
http://www.yerkir. am/eng/index. php?sub=news_ arm&id=30158

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9. EU AIMS TO CRIMINALISE HOLOCAUST DENIAL
Posted by: "David Boyajian" dboyajian@msn.com david_boyajian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:03 am (PST)

(For those who still believe, falsely, that Turkey will have to acknowledge
the Armenian genocide before it can join the EU, or that the EU will somehow
restrain Turkish aggression against Armenia, read this paragraph:

"In an attempt to assuage Turkish fears, several EU diplomats said the
provisions would not penalise the denial of mass killing of Armenians
by Ottoman troops in the aftermath of the 1915 collapse of the Ottoman
empire. Turkey strongly rejects claims that this episode amounted
to genocide."

Dave )
************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***

EU AIMS TO CRIMINALISE HOLOCAUST DENIAL

FT
April 17 2007 19:56

Laws that make denying or trivialising the Holocaust a criminal
offence punishable by jail sentences will be introduced across the
European Union, according to a proposal expecting to win backing from
ministers Thursday.

Offenders will face up to three years in jail under the proposed
legislation, which will also apply to inciting violence against ethnic,
religious or national groups.

Diplomats in Brussels voiced confidence on Tuesday that the
controversial plan, which has been the subject of heated debate for
six years, will be endorsed by member states. However, the Baltic
countries and Poland are still holding out for an inclusion of
"Stalinist crimes" alongside the Holocaust in the text - a move that
is being resisted by the majority of other EU countries.

The latest draft, seen by the Financial Times, will make it mandatory
for all Union member states to punish public incitement "to violence
or hatred directed against a group of persons or a member of such
a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or
national or ethnic origin".

They will also have to criminalise "publicly condoning, denying or
grossly trivialising crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and
war crimes" when such statements incite hatred or violence against
minorities.

Diplomats stressed the provision had been carefully worded to include
only denial of the Holocaust - the Nazi mass murder of Jews during
the second world war - and the genocide in Rwanda in 1994.

They also stressed that the wording was designed to avoid criminalising
comical plays or films about the Holocaust such as the Italian comedian
Roberto Benigni's prize-winning Life is Beautiful . The text expressly
upholds countries' constitutional traditions relating to the freedom
of expression.

Holocaust denial is already a criminal offence in several European
countries, including Germany and Austria. It is not a specific crime
in Britain, though UK officials said it could already be tackled
under existing legislation.

In an attempt to assuage Turkish fears, several EU diplomats said the
provisions would not penalise the denial of mass killing of Armenians
by Ottoman troops in the aftermath of the 1915 collapse of the Ottoman
empire. Turkey strongly rejects claims that this episode amounted
to genocide.

The proposal draws what is likely to be a controversial distinction
between inciting violence against racial or ethnic groups and against
religious groups. Attacks against Muslims, Jews or other faiths will
only be penalised if they go on to incite violence against ethnic or
racial groups, the draft text states.

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10. Fw: Exclusion of Armenian Genocide in EU directives
Posted by: "Hrant S. Vartzbedian" hrantv@dataxprs.com.eg hrantoismo
Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:58 am (PST)

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From: Abovian Cultural Centre <info@abovian. nl>
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:41:38
To:Armenian News Team <info@abovian. nl>
Subject: Exclusion of Armenian Genocide in EU directives

This is a Press Release by The Federation of Armenian Organisations of The Netherlands (FAON) concerning a protest against the exclusion of Armenian Genocide in the EU directives for criminalising denial and trivialising of the genocide..

See English text below after Dutch text.

To see and discuss this topic visit Holandahay Forum at the following link:
http://forum. nedarm.nl/ index.php? showtopic= 1175: <http://forum. nedarm.nl/ index.php? showtopic= 1175>
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FEDERATIE ARMEENSE ORGANISATIES NEDERLAND
24 april comité
voor erkenning en herdenking van de Armeense genocide 1915
Adres: Weesperstraat 91 - 2574 VS Den Haag
Website: http://www.24april. nl: <http://www.24april. nl>
E-mail: info@faon.nl
K.v.K. 27264382
Tel 06-24272574

PERSBERICHT

De Federatie Armeense Organisaties Nederland (FAON) heeft de Nederlandse regering dringend verzocht vandaag in Brussel niet in te stemmen met een richtlijn over de strafbaarheid van ontkenning en trivialisering van genocide. Op grond van berichten zou de formulering namelijk zo worden gekozen, dat de Armeense genocide van deze bepalingen zou worden uitgezonderd.

De FAON vraag dringend om overleg en verzoekt om intussen geen onomkeerbare stappen te nemen zoals instemming met de Europese richtlijn, indien deze een dergelijke uitsluiting zou inhouden.

De FAON vindt het absurd en onaanvaardbaar, dat juist deze eerste grote genocide van de 20e eeuw, die op grond van de Turkse ontkenningspolitiek stelselmatig wordt door Turkije ontkend, uitgesloten zou worden.

Een dergelijk onderscheid tussen geschiedkundige gebeurtenissen zou een flagrante ongelijkheid betekenen en getuigen van een grote en onacceptabele minachting van het lot van de Armeniërs van de kant van Europa. Meer nog dan dat getuigt het van een knieval voor de agressieve ontkenningspraktijk en van Turkije en van het zoveelste succes dat Turkije daarmee op Europa behaalt.

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Federation of Armenian Organizations in The Netherlands
April 24 Committee
For Recognition and Commemoration of the Armenian Genocide of 1915
Address: Weesperstraat 91 - 2574 VS The Hague, The Netherlands
Website: http://www.24april. nl: <http://www.24april. nl>
E-mail: info@faon.nl
K.v.K. 27264382

Press Release

The Federation of Armenian Organisations in the Netherlands (FAON) today has urgently requested the Dutch government to not agree in Brussels with a directive criminalising denial and trivialising of the genocide. According to the reports the formulation would be chosen in such a way to exclude the Armenian Genocide from these provisions.

The FAON asks an urgent consultation and requests meanwhile to not take irreversible steps such as the approval of the European directives, if they would imply such an exclusion.

The FAON finds it absurd and unacceptable, that exactly this first great Genocide of the 20th century, which is systematically denied by Turkey in line with the Turkish denialist policy, would be excluded.

Such a distinction between historical events would mean a flagrante inequality and would be a big and unacceptable contempt towards the destiny of the Armenianrs by Europe. Still more than that, it shows Europe on its knees before the aggressive denialist practices of Turkey and the umpteenth success by Turkey in Europe for that denialist policy.

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11. Re: [TheArmenianGroup] TURKS MURDER THREE CHRISTIANS IN MALATYA
Posted by: "Sossy" sossy@gmx.li
Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:39 am (PST)
In Germany almost in every newspaper there is report about this killing.
TV- and radio-news covered the issue too.
I try just to summarize what I read :
Sossy

yesterday Wednesday April 18, early afternoon in Malatya/ Turkey.
Five young men, ages between 19 and 21 years, attack the small
ZIRVE-publishing center on the third floor of the AGBABA building in
Malatya. They bind three of the employees sitting on their chairs and
kill them cutting their throats. At least one of the victims has stiches
on his tommy.
The three victims are christian: two Turks and one German.
A fourth person jumps from the window and later has been carried to a
hospital. It is still not clear whether this person is a victim or one
of the murderers.

Four murdorers get at once captured because the police was by chance in
the neighbourhood due to another incedent.

The attack on the employees of the ZIRVE Publishing house was done,
because ZIRVE issues and sells bibles and other christian literature as
well as crosses and other items related to christianity.
it is assumed that the murderers belong to an extremist islamic or
right-winged nationalist groups.
The papers report that there has been no security protection measures
even after killing Hrant Dink in January, although the turkish ministry
for interior affairs in Ankara has warned all the administrations of
the turkish provinces against the rising of danger for christians.

Here are some links to some articles in German and others from Malatya
<http://www.malatyah aber.com/ haberler/ haber.asp? a=10665&z= 2>
http://www.welt. de/politik/ article818079/ Deutscher_ stirbt_bei_ Blutbad_in
_Bibelverlag. html
http://www.welt. de/politik/ article818810/ Gefesselt_ und_die_Kehlen_ durchs
chnitten.html? page=5#article_ readcomments
http://www.faz. net/s/Rub28FC768 942F34C5B8297CC6 E16FFC8B4/ Doc~EB5292D82D8
744991B134844359EA3 D49~ATpl~ Ecommon~Scontent .html
http://www.rp- online.de/ public/article/ aktuelles/ politik/ausland/ 429229

http://www.malatyah aber.com/ haberler/ haber.asp? a=10653
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From: dshkhouhi@aol. com
Sent: Do, 19. April 2007 02:27
Subject: [TheArmenianGroup] TURKS MURDER THREE CHRISTIANS IN MALATYA

During the mid-afternoon, while driving, I heard the following newscast
from a local station in the Boston area:

"Three Christians were killed in Malatya, apparantly for distributing
Bibles. They were found with their hands tied behind them and their
throats cut. One of them was a German clergyman."

I haven't seen or heard anything on radio or television since
then....!!!! !

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12. Turish article and text of proposed EU law on genocide denial
Posted by: "David Boyajian" dboyajian@msn.com david_boyajian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:42 am (PST)

http://www.todaysza man.com/tz- web/detaylar. do?load=detay& link=108835

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13. The eight stages of Genocide
Posted by: "Artin Boghossian" artinb@rogers.com artinboghossian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:32 pm (PST)
http://www.chomedey news.ca/articles /articleTCN15080 8.html

Published on April 19, 2007

EDITORIAL
The eight stages of Genocide

By Gregory H. Stanton
April should be a month of reflection for humanity on the atrocities committed throughout our history. We should all reflect on the Armenian Genocide, commemorated April 24, and on the Holocaust Yom Hashoa, commemorated April 15.
When Hitler was asked about what will the rest of the world do about his 'final solution' (his attempt to exterminate the Jews) he replied that it will be forgotten, like the Armenian Genocide.
History has shown that all genocides have something in common. All start with classification and end by denial, stage seven which is extermination. ..
As long as nothing is done to cut a genocide off as early as possible, at the first stage, humanity will have more genocides to commemorate. ..
It is imperative to know the signs of these stages that lead to the extermination of our fellow human beings.
1. CLASSIFICATION:
All cultures have categories to distinguish people into "us and them" by ethnicity, race, religion, or nationality: German and Jew, Hutu and Tutsi. Bipolar societies that lack mixed categories, such as Rwanda and Burundi, are the most likely to have genocide. The main preventive measure at this early stage is to develop universalistic institutions that transcend ethnic or racial divisions, that actively promote tolerance and understanding, and that promote classifications that transcend the divisions. The Catholic church could have played this role in Rwanda, had it not been riven by the same ethnic cleavages as Rwandan society. Promotion of a common language in countries like Tanzania or Cote d'Ivoire has also promoted transcendent national identity. This search for common ground is vital to early prevention of genocide.
2. SYMBOLIZATION:
We give names or other symbols to the classifications. We name people "Jews" or "Gypsies", or distinguish them by colors or dress; and apply them to members of groups. Classification and symbolization are universally human and do not necessarily result in genocide unless they lead to the next stage, dehumanization. When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups: the yellow star for Jews under Nazi rule, the blue scarf for people from the Eastern Zone in Khmer Rouge Cambodia.
To combat symbolization, hate symbols can be legally forbidden (swastikas) as can hate speech. Group marking like gang clothing or tribal scarring can be outlawed, as well. The problem is that legal limitations will fail if unsupported by popular cultural enforcement. Though Hutu and Tutsi were forbidden words in Burundi until the 1980's, code-words replaced them. If widely supported, however, denial of symbolization can be powerful, as it was in Bulgaria, when many non-Jews chose to wear the yellow star, depriving it of its significance as a Nazi symbol for Jews. According to legend in Denmark, the Nazis did not introduce the yellow star because they knew even the King would wear it.
3. DEHUMANIZATION:
One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases. Dehumanization overcomes the normal human revulsion against murder.
At this stage, hate propaganda in print and on hate radios is used to vilify the victim group. In combating this dehumanization, incitement to genocide should not be confused with protected speech. Genocidal societies lack constitutional protection for countervailing speech, and should be treated differently than in democracies. Hate radio stations should be shut down, and hate propaganda banned. Hate crimes and atrocities should be promptly punished.
4. ORGANIZATION:
Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, though sometimes informally (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or by terrorist groups. Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings.
To combat this stage, membership in these militias should be outlawed. Their leaders should be denied visas for foreign travel. The U.N. should impose arms embargoes on governments and citizens of countries involved in genocidal massacres, and create commissions to investigate violations, as was done in post-genocide Rwanda.
5. POLARIZATION:
Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups. Assets of extremists may be seized, and visas for international travel denied to them. Coups d'¢etat by extremists should be opposed by international sanctions.
6. PREPARATION:
Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity. Death lists are drawn up. Members of victim groups are forced to wear identifying symbols. They are often segregated into ghettoes, forced into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved.
At this stage, a Genocide Alert must be called. If the political will of the U.S., NATO, and the U.N. Security Council can be mobilized, armed international intervention should be prepared, or heavy assistance to the victim group in preparing for its self-defense. Otherwise, at least humanitarian assistance should be organized by the U.N. and private relief groups for the inevitable tide of refugees.
7. EXTERMINATION:
Extermination begins, and quickly becomes the mass killing legally called "genocide." It is "extermination" to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human. When it is sponsored by the state, the armed forces often work with militias to do the killing. Sometimes the genocide results in revenge killings by groups against each other, creating the downward whirlpool-like cycle of bilateral genocide (as in Burundi).
At this stage, only rapid and overwhelming armed intervention can stop genocide. Real safe areas or refugee escape corridors should be established with heavily armed international protection. The U.N. needs a Standing High Readiness Brigade or a permanent rapid reaction force, to intervene quickly when the U.N. Security Council calls it. For larger interventions, a multilateral force authorized by the U.N., led by NATO or a regional military power, should intervene. If the U.N. will not intervene directly, militarily powerful nations should provide the airlift, equipment, and financial means necessary for regional states to intervene with U.N. authorization. It is time to recognize that the law of humanitarian intervention transcends the interests of nation-states.
8. DENIAL:
Denial is the eighth stage that always follows a genocide. It is among the surest indicators of further genocidal massacres. The perpetrators of genocide dig up the mass graves, burn the bodies, try to cover up the evidence and intimidate the witnesses. They deny that they committed any crimes, and often blame what happened on the victims. They block investigations of the crimes, and continue to govern until driven from power by force, when they flee into exile. There they remain with impunity, like Pol Pot or Idi Amin, unless they are captured and a tribunal is established to try them.
The best response to denial is punishment by an international tribunal or national courts. There the evidence can be heard, and the perpetrators punished. Tribunals like the Yugoslav, Rwanda, or Sierra Leone Tribunals, an international tribunal to try the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, and ultimately the International Criminal Court must be created. They may not deter the worst genocidal killers. But with the political will to arrest and prosecute them, some mass murderers may be brought to justice.

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14. (Jabarian's column) -- Turkish Denialists Perpetuate Their Hold on P
Posted by: "Appo Jabarian" appojabarian@yahoo.com appojabarian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:32 pm (PST)
Turkish Denialists Perpetuate Their Hold on Power at
The Expense of The Turkish People

Friday April 20, 2007

By Appo Jabarian
Executive Publisher/Managing Editor
USA Armenian Life Magazine
Hye Kiank Armenian Weekly

In an April 17 article titled “Turks Face a Future
Filled with Fear” in the New Zealand Herald, Catherine
Field wrote: “Many secular Turks worry about … the
Turkish republic. … The current President, Ahmet
Necdet Sezer said: ‘Since the foundation of the
republic, Turkey's political regime has never been
under such threat. For the first time in history, the
fundamental values of the republic have been
questioned.’"

Field concluded: “Nationalism and ethnic frictions are
other toxic additions to Turkey's problems.”

What else is news?

The current denialist Turkish leadership’s animosity
is not limited to the Armenians, the Greeks, the
Kurds, the Assyrians or the Arabs. It is also directed
against the Turkish people.

The Armenian leaders have made it clear to the Turkish
people and the world, that the Armenian people's
struggle is not directed against the Turkish people,
but it's directed against their Turkish denialist
dictators in Ankara, their cronies and accomplices
elsewhere. The Armenian people do not seek to harm the
Turkish people. They seek the liberation of forcibly
occupied lands of Western Armenia from the yoke of the
Turkish denialist dictators.

It is no secret that these denialist dictators and
their inner circles tend to be the direct descendants
of the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide. So the
mass of the Turkish people needs to distance itself
from these elements. These denialists continue to keep
the Turkish masses as backwards and as under-developed
as possible so as to perpetuate their hold on
dictatorial power. So the long interests of the
Turkish, the Armenian and other affected peoples
require that the Turkish dictators be marginalized.

Are these denialist dictators, masquerading as
nationalists, true patriots?

Let’s take a look at what they have brought upon the
citizenry of what is now called Turkey:

- Decades-long huge annual budget deficits that has
brought the republic to the brink of bankruptcy;

- The animosity of the Armenians, the Greek, the
Assyrians, the Kurds, the Arabs and many others around
the world;

- The unresolved huge problem of the Armenian Genocide
and related ballooning liabilities of the long-overdue
reparations, and the return of the occupied lands of
Western Armenia as recognized by the Treaty of Sevres;

- The continued occupation of Northern Cyprus;

- The continued denial of access of its ports to Greek
Cypriot vessels;

- The illegal enforcement of law (article 301) that
killed Hrant Dink and that continues to deny its
citizens basic democratic rights of freedom of
expression;

- Another gross human rights violation along with the
Azeri accomplices: The illegal blockade of Armenia and
Artsakh. The Armenian poverty’s persistence is
directly affected by this blockade;

- The most recent liability but definitely not the
last: The willful negligence by the Turkish police of
the threats by the Turkish ultra-nationalists against
the late Armenian journalist Hrant Dink of
Constantinople and his wrongful death.

The righteous Turks should ask: “Are we better off
now, 92 years after the Armenian Genocide, then we
were before the systematic elimination of the
indigenous Armenians in Western Armenia and other
parts of the disintegrating Ottoman Empire?”

Several decades of opportunity to prosper have been
lost not just on the Armenians but also the Turks.
Despite the Turkish government’s propaganda, much of
Turkey is still in extreme poverty. The Turks and
non-Turks in the Turkish-occupied lands of Western
Armenia are left behind. They mostly inhabit the areas
of Erzrum-Garine, Trabizond, Van, Mush, Baghesh
(Bitlis) and Kars.

The Turkish people have the right to demand
truthfulness from its leaders so that they can
collectively face up to the dark chapters of their
history. And eventually force their denialist leaders
to come clean about the Armenian Genocide by making
amends to the Armenians and the other victims. It is
only then that Turkey, albeit downsized, will be
accepted as a member of the civilized world.

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15. Genocide Awreness Alert!
Posted by: "Chuck Goushian" Goushian@comcast.net goushian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:32 pm (PST)
This is to inform any and all readers of the need to contact
Congressman Rob Andrews (Dem. NJ, 1st Dist.) I am a supporter of his,
but I was very disappointed in his last E-mail newsletter, "Washington
Update".
One of the articles was titled, "Remember the Holocaust, Take Action
on Darfur". This is a subject that we all are sympathetic with.
However, this article glaringly omits any mention of the Armenian
Genocide. I feel that this is a slap in the face, especially given the
fact that we are observing the anniversary this month.
I have contacted him by E-mail, and will also be phoning his office,
as well as writing to his office via conventional mail. I urge all of
you to do the same. If you are not represented by the Congressman, you
may not have access to E-mail him. But please, do write to him or
phone his office.

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16. Armenpress - Renouned Armenian Singer Becomes UNICEF Goodwill Aamba
Posted by: "sebouhz_tashjian" sebouhz_tashjian@yahoo.com.au sebouhz_tashjian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:49 pm (PST)
ARMENPRESS

RENOWNED ARMENIAN SINGER BECOMES UNICEF ARMENIA GOODWILL AMBASSADOR

YEREVAN, APRIL 18, ARMENPRESS: Armenia's renowned singer Alla
Levonyan joined today the ranks of 200 celebrities around the world
who have partnered with UNICEF to advocate for children's rights.
"Ms. Levonyan's appointment as UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador is not
just a recognition of her fame and talents, but more importantly, a
recognition of her commitment to improving the situation of children
in this country that she has demonstrated by participating in various
benevolent activities and campaigns benefiting vulnerable children,"
UNICEF Representative Sheldon Yett told a press conference at UN
House in Yerevan.
"People of all ages in this country enjoy Ms. Levonyan's music. We
at UNICEF Armenia hope that Alla Levonyan's voice will help us focus
attention on the most pressing needs of children in Armenia," the
UNICEF Representative stressed.
Celebrating Alla Levonyan's appointment, Mr. Yett presented the
newly appointed Goodwill Ambassador with a UNICEF T-shirt and a cap
symbolizing her commitment to UNICEF's mission to ensure every
child's right to health, education, equality and protection.
"I am truly honored to accept this new and challenging role.
Before this appointment I was responsible for my two children only,
now my responsibility has grown to embrace all children of Armenia. I
am excited to begin doing what I can to bring more attention to
children's issues," said Alla Levonyan.
Alla Levonyan is one of the most popular and respected singers in
Armenia, whose unique voice and talent charms Armenians and others
from all over the world. She is known for contributing proceeds from
her concerts and sales of her albums to help persons with
disabilities in Armenia.
"We are confident that Alla Levonyan will be a highly respected
and effective National Goodwill Ambassador for UNICEF who will be
able to use her talent and fame for the benefit of Armenia's
children," Sheldon Yett said.
UNICEF established its presence in Armenia in 1994. UNICEF is
mandated by the United Nations General Assembly to advocate for the
protection of children's rights, to help meet their basic needs and
to expand their opportunities to meet their full potential.

http://www.armenpre ss.am/eng/ news/culture. htm

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17. The inventor of the ATM
Posted by: "Ara" ara.gregorian@gmail.com ara.gregorian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:50 pm (PST)

Luther George Simjian (January 28
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ January_28> , 1905
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ 1905> in Turkey
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Turkey> – October 23
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ October_23> , 1997
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ 1997> probably in Fort Lauderdale
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Fort_Lauderdale> ) was an inventor
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Inventor> of numerous devices and owner
of over 200 patents.

Son of Armenian <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Armenia> parents, he grew
up in Gaziantep <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Gaziantep> in Turkey, but
was separated from his family after Armenian Genocide
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Armenian_ Genocide> , when he had to flee
first to Beirut <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Beirut> , later Marseille
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Marseille> . In 1920
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ 1920> he emigrated to the USA, where he
found shelter with relatives in New Haven, Connecticut
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ New_Haven% 2C_Connecticut> . Aged 15, he
used to work there as a photographer. He gave up his initial plans of
studying medicine when he was engaged as a laboratory photographer by
Yale <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Yale_University> 's Medical School
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Medical_School> , where later in 1928 he
became director of the photography department and invented several
machines such as a projector for microscope images.

In 1934 <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ 1934> Simjian moved to New York
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ New_York> , where he invented a
self-posing portrait camera, with which the photographed person could
see and optimise their own image in a mirror before the photo was
actually taken. In order to manufacture and distribute the camera, which
became a success for use in department stores, he founded the company
Photoreflex
<http://en.wikipedia .org/w/index. php?title= Photoreflex& action=edit> ,
which years later, after selling the invention and the trade name,
renamed to Reflectone
<http://en.wikipedia .org/w/index. php?title= Reflectone& action=edit> ; a
name that originated in another invention of the same name, a kind of
cosmetic chair with movable mirrors, where one could see their own body
from all perspectives.

In 1939 <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ 1939> Simjian had the idea to
build the Bankmatic Automated Teller Machine
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Automated_ Teller_Machine> , his probably
most famous invention. Despite the scepticism of the banks, he
registered 20 patents for it and developed a number of features and
principles that can still be found in today's ATMs, including their
name. He finally persuaded the City Bank of New York, today Citibank
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Citibank> , to run a 6-month trial, which
was however not continued -- surprisingly not due to technical
insufficiencies, but to lack of demand. It seems the only people using
the machines were a small number of prostitutes and gamblers who didn't
want to deal with tellers face to face, Simjian wrote. Hence Simjian did
not only miss the commercial success, but also the fame of the inventor
of the ATM, which is attributed either to Donald Wetzel
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Donald_Wetzel> , who directed the 5
million US-$ development of the first successful ATM in the 1960s or
John Shepherd-Barron <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ John_Shepherd- Barron>
, who invented it for the De La Rue
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ De_La_Rue> company.

However, he gained commercial success during World War II
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ World_War_ II> with his Optical Range
Estimation Trainer, a kind of simple flight simulator, made from
mirrors, light sources and miniature airplanes, used to train US
military pilots in estimating the speed and distance of airplanes.
Simjian sold over 2000 of these devices. Today's successor of Reflectone
(after a number of mergers and acquisitions) , CAE
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ CAE_%28company% 29> , is still making its
money with flight simulation and control technology.

Simjian founded several other companies in the following years and
invented a number of very different devices and technologies, e. g. a
teleprompter <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Teleprompter> , medical
ultrasound devices, a remote-controlled postage meter
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Postage_meter> , a golf simulator and a
meat tenderizer.

He never ceased inventing in his laboratories in Fort Lauderdale
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Fort_Lauderdale> . Aged 92, he got his
last patent on a process for improving the sound of wood for musical
instruments, seven months before his death in 1997.

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Luther_George_ Simjian
<http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Luther_George_ Simjian>

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18. Screaming for Recognition: Genocide film opens in Yerevan
Posted by: "Ara Ashjian" ara_ashjian@yahoo.com ara_ashjian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:50 pm (PST)
Screaming for Recognition: Genocide film opens in Yerevan By Gayane Mkrtchyan and Gayane Abrahamyan
ArmeniaNow reporters
“Screamers”, the Carla Garapedian documentary film devoted to the Armenian Genocide, opened today in Yerevan, where it will run through April 24, the Armenian Day of Remembrance. The film starts with the genocide of Armenians in 1915 and continues through the Holocaust, Cambodia (Pol-Pot), Rwanda, Bosnia and Darfur. In director Garapedian’s film, as in reality, it happens over and over again, because leaders of different countries say “we don’t know”, when they do know.
“Great Britain knew what was going on in Auschwitz, but hid as otherwise it would have to change its war plans. Bill Clinton didn’t want the awful events in Rwanda to become public knowledge as otherwise he would have to take certain steps,” said Garapetian during a screening Monday at the Club, a popular up-scale restaurant in Yerevan. “George Bush has finally qualified the events in Southern Sudan as ‘genocide’, however refusing to put an end to it. Why? ”
The answers are found in “Screamers.” Harvard University Professor, Pulitzer Prize award-winner Samantha Power says in the film: “When in 1915 US Ambassador Henry Morgenthau first reported the annihilation of Armenians in Anatolia, it wasn’t embraced so that the USA didn’t have to interfere. That fact gave Hitler free rein to perpetrate the Holocaust.”
Music from Los Angeles based Grammy Award winners System of a Down (with ethnic Armenian members) is featured in the film. SoD is noted for their commitment to Genocide recognition.
Carla Garapedian “I attended the band’s concert in 2004, where we distributed to the fans booklets telling about all the genocides ever committed in the world. A young man, who wasn’t an Armenian, approached me and said he didn’t need the booklet but he knew about the Armenian Genocide by listening to System of a Down, which tells about everything,” recalls Garapetian.
It was then that she conceived the idea of shooting the documentary.
“The way of raising public awareness on the Genocide was not in politicians spreading news form the height of their position, but in realizing it through art and music,” says Garapedian. “It’s the first film of the kind that connects all the genocides. The Armenian Genocide serves as a model for the others.”
After a private screening Monday, the film opened today at Moscow Cinema in Charles Aznavour Square.
“The film was extremely impressive,” said filmgoer and Yerevan State University student Lilit Badalyan, after today’s opening. “Today everybody concerned with this issue should have been there. The film is special for its approach presenting other genocides alongside with the Armenian, by that emphasizing and making the importance of recognition absolutely apparent.”
http://armenianow. com/?action= viewArticle& AID=2135& CID=2183& IID=1128& lng=eng

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19. Fw: 92 years later in Cyprus
Posted by: "sarkisva@yahoo.com" sarkisva@yahoo.com hrantoismo
Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:53 pm (PST)

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ARMENIANS IN CYPRUS PREPARE TO COMMEMORATE GENOCIDE

GIBRAHAYER e-magazine <http://gibrahayer. cyprusnewsletter .com/images/ gibrahayer/ armenian_ genocide1. jpg>

WEDNESDAY 18 APRIL
Press conference at the Journalist's Association at 10:00 am

MONDAY 23 APRIL
Vigil and Memorial Service at Genocide Monument on Armenia street
followed by keynote speaker by the Commemoration Committee

TUESDAY 24 APRIL
Youth commemoration at Eleftherias Square starting from 7:00 pm
(more details by next week)

WEDNESDAY 25 APRIL
Blood giving at Nareg School from 3-6 pm

Political Commemoration at The Conference Center at 8:00 pm
SPEAKER OF THE DAY:
Member of Parliament and former President of the Greek Parliament
Apostolos Kaklamanis
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Cyprus Commemoration Committee of the Armenian Genocide

ARMENIAN POLITICAL PARTIES IN CYPRUS UNITED ON THE EVE OF 92nd GENOCIDE ANNIVERSARY COMMEMORATION
Gibrahayer - Nicosia 17 April 2007 - In a united spirit the Armenian political parties of Cyprus - Social Democrat Henchagian Party, Ramgavar Azadagan Party and The Armenian Revolutionary Federation Dashnaktsoutiun have come together to commemorate the 92nd anniversary of the Armenian Genocide.
The details of the events were publicised in a joint press release (above) and call Armenians in Cyprus to participate in the commemoration of the Armenian Genocide and in doing so to continue the struggle for Hay Tad.
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HAMAZKAYIN'S DANCE PERFORMANCE THIS SATURDAY, NOT TO BE MISSED !
GIBRAHAYER e-magazine <http://gibrahayer. cyprusnewsletter .com/images/ gibrahayer/ hamazkayin/ girls2.jpg> Gibrahayer - Nicosia - After a one year break, the Hamazkayin Cyprus "Oshagan" Chapter is back and presents a new program of Armenian dances with the Sipan Dance Ensemble at the Strovolos Municipality Hall under Director/Choreograp her Janna Tahmizian.
Over the past six years, the Sipan dancers have turned from a group of amateur dancers to what we have all repeatedly witnessed over the last years - a dance ensemble that has excelled to levels of excellence.
The over sixty dancers that have been buzzing in the corridors and halls of AYMA for their everyday practises are now ready to show our community their show of the year.
Let us all support this effort, that perhaps carries the most important expression of Armenian tradition and culture in teenagers of our community.
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"While we commemorate Dashnaktsoutiun' s 117th anniversary, we celebrate the numerous accomplishments in our region" says Dashnak Cyprus rep. Hagop Manougian
<http://www.armeniat ravel.ru/ index.files/ flags/dashnak. gif> Nicosia - Gibrahayer "The commemoration of the 117th anniversary of Dashnaktsoutiun in Cyprus is not an end in itself. While we celebrate Dashnaktsoutiun' s 117th anniversary, we celebrate our organisation' s accomplishments in our region" stated ARF Dashnaktsoutiun' s representative in Cyprus, unger Hagop Manougian.
"We would like to believe that we have constituted in the qualitative elevatio n of our community, through decisions taken over the past decades, giving our community the political voice, cultural identity, youthful presence that it lacked in the recent past.
"This does not mean that we are content with the results" said Manougian. "We are constantly looking forward and looking forward and further, to make the presence of the Armenians of Cyprus, that of essence".
"We have dwelled too long with cosmetic and superficial structures and have not been able to address real issues which needed immediate solutions. We need to further resolve issues related to education and the identity of our community, especially that of the younger generations, that is why we feel that our organisation and our sister structures have still a lot to give not only towards community life but also for Armenia and Artsakh", said Manougian.
ARF Dashnaktsoutiun' s 117th anniversary will be celebrated next week at PASIDY on Sunday 29 April, 2007 at 4:00 pm. A cultural program will follow. The event coincides with the HMEM regional Games taking place in Cyprus next weekend and hundreds of guests from four Middle Eastern regions are also expected to participate in the Dashnaktsoutiun 117th anniversary celebrations.

Editorial

N.Y. Times Deals a Knock Out Punch to Turkish Denialism
By Harut Sassounian - Publisher, The California Courier - 19 April 2007
The Turkish Ambassador to the United Nations must have been very proud of himself when he succeeded in temporarily shutting down a U.N. photo exhibition on the Rwandan Genocide, after discovering a single sentence that read: “one million Armenians were murdered in Turkey.”
Little did Ambassador Baki Ilkin and his government know that the attempt to eliminate a simple reference which did not even describe the Armenian mass killings as genocide and may have been overlooked by most exhibit visitors, would blow up in their faces in a very big and unexpected way.

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As stated previously in this column, Turkey, unintentionally, is the greatest publicist of the Armenian Genocide by its obsessive objections to its mention by anyone, anywhere.
The Turkish complaint against the mention of Armenian “murders” at the Rwandan exhibition was reported by the Associated Press. The lengthy wire story, which extensively described the facts of the Armenian Genocide, was printed by newspapers around the globe. While trying to get rid of one harmless line that most people would not even have noticed, Turkish officials managed to get several paragraphs about the Armenian Genocide published in hundreds of newspapers around the world! As the AP reported: “Historians estimate up to 1.5 million Armenians were killed by Ottoman Turks around the time of World War I, an event widely viewed by genocide scholars as the first genocide of the 20th century.”
In one thoughtless knee-jerk reaction, the Turkish government managed to reconfirm its repressive image among millions of newspaper readers, antagonize the Rwandan government, and upset the U.K.-based Aegis Trust, which had helped organize the exhibition. It also drew the ire of usually mild-mannered Armenian government officials. Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian blasted Ankara by stating: “It is not enough that the Government of Turkey thinks it can hide its history from its own people. Now, they have taken their campaign of cover-up and distortion to such lengths that they will prevent an exhibition on Genocide entitled ‘Lessons of Rwanda.’”
The New York Times also covered the Turkish objection and the controversy regarding the cancellation of the U.N. exhibition and, just like the AP, made direct references to the Armenian Genocide.
However, the biggest surprise was yet to come. On April 13, The N.Y. Times published a hard-hitting editorial that blasted Turkey’s obsessive efforts to deny the Armenian Genocide. It dealt such a devastating blow that Turkish denialism may never recover from it.
The editorial, under the headline, "Turkey and the U.N.’s Cover-Up," stated in part: “More than 90 years ago, when Turkey was still part of the Ottoman Empire, Turkish nationalists launched an extermination campaign there that killed 1.5 million Armenians. It was the 20th century's first genocide…. Turkey has long tried to deny the Armenian genocide. Even in the modern-day Turkish republic, which was not a party to the killings, using the word genocide in reference to these events is prosecuted as a serious crime. It's odd that Turkey's leaders have not figured out by now that every time they try to censor discussion of the Armenian genocide, they only bring wider attention to the subject and link today's democratic Turkey with the now distant crime.”
The same editorial appeared in the International Herald Tribune, under an even harsher headline: “Abetting Turkish Denial at the United Nations.”
While U.N. officials are mulling over a face-saving way of resuming the photo exhibition, Rwandans, Armenians and all those who cherish the truth should look into the questionable role played by U.N. associate spokesman Farhan Haq, in this whole episode. He was quoted by AP last week as saying that the photo exhibit was taken down because it was not properly reviewed.
Mr. Haq has also been repeatedly quoted by Turkish denialists as having allegedly stated back in 2000 that “the United Nations has not approved or endorsed a report labeling the Armenian experience as Genocide.” Last week, he was quoted by AP as saying: “The U.N. hasn’t expressed any position on incidents that took place long before the United Nations was established.”
Both of those statements are absolutely untrue, as the U.N. has taken a position on the Jewish Holocaust which, just like the Armenian Genocide, occurred before the establishment of the U.N. in 1945. Furthermore, there were several extensive discussions of the Armenian Genocide at the U.N. for more than a dozen years, which culminated in a report adopted in 1985 by the U.N. Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities.
Earlier in the week, this writer spoke to Mr. Haq and asked him if he was aware that U.N human rights panels had dealt with the issue of the Armenian Genocide. He said he knew that various U.N. human rights bodies had discussed this issue and adopted reports which referred to the Armenian Genocide. Regarding the statement that Turkish denialists constantly attribute to him, he said he had simply stated that there has never been a U.N. General Assembly resolution on the Armenian Genocide.
Armenia’s Ambassador at the United Nations may now want to contact the U.N. Secretary General’s office and ask him to issue a formal statement declaring that the U.N. human rights bodies had indeed dealt with the Armenian Genocide and adopted a report in 1985 properly calling it a genocide.
There is no question that the Rwandan exhibition will be reopened at the U.N. along with the reference to the Armenian Genocide. By taking it down temporarily to get rid of that reference, Turkish officials have once again inadvertently publicized the Armenian Genocide to a worldwide audience, much beyond the four walls of the U.N.

The cost of freedom of speech

Dear readers,
As this is one of only two community media that accepted to publish a newsletter ("gotch") issued by the Melkonian Alumni Association of Cyprus in October 2004 and addressed to its members, where Nicosia architect Nazo Davidian took offence from the contents and subsequently is suing Artsagang, Gibrahayer, their respective representatives, as well as the two leaders of the Melkonian Alumni (Shavasb Bohdjalian and Masis der Parthogh), we are obliged to present our legal defense in court in order to stand up for freedom of speech. This of course has a financial cost.
The community organizations and media are already strained to finance their own and other fund-raising projects. So, in order not to burden existing efforts or to divert money from worthwhile causes are other more important projects that benefit the community and the Armenian nation in general, we would be pleased to accept contributions for our legal defense.

Feel free to send any contributions to:
Artsagang Freedom of Speech Defense Fund.
Gibrahayer Freedom of Speech Defense Fund
Rest assured that by supporting our democratic right to publish announcements of benefit to the community and the wider diaspora, your contributions will not be considered as being hostile to the Plaintiff."
Gibrahayer e-magazine - Nicosia 18 April, 2007

Please visit the permanent sections of Gibrahayer e-magazine to read the articles, letters and links sent by our readers by clicking on the three headers below to view this week's additions:

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* Dear Simon,
Happy Easter to you and to your family.
Simon, as you might recall, I am American-Armenian. I visited Cyprus only once, in 1989, and enjoyed my brief tour of your beautiful country.
I have heard/read about the historic monastery of Sourp Magar all of my life, and am truly thankful to God that the Armenians of Cyprus will once again be able to form a pilgrimage to visit this very important church and monastery.
Simon, I noticed that the fee to attend is 5 Pounds (forgive my ignorance, but what is the US Dollar ratio with the Cyprus Pound?).
Without divulging the information, would you be able to forward a donation from me to whomever is "in charge" so that some of the people who might not be able to afford the fee may also be able to join the pilgrimage? I would like to offer 200 pounds (that is, pay for 40 people who otherwise might not be in a financial position to attend).
Please let me know how and what I might be able to do to foster a solid participation. Perhaps the Sunday School students? Perhaps some of the residents of the senior citizens' facilities? I leave the decision to you.
I sincerely wish to remain anonymous in all of this. God above will see the piety of the Armenians, and hopefully answer our prayers for the restoration of our sacred sites.
Thank you in advance for your assistance.
"Mez yev Tzez medz avedis: Krisdos haryav 'i merrelots!
Orhnyal eh Harootyoonun Krisdosi! Khristos anesti! Alithos anesti!
Name withheld on request.

Thank you for your contribution which we will pass on to The Armenian Prelature of Cyprus.
Gibrahayer e-magazine - Simon Aynedjian
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* Dear Simon,
Just now I received a copy of your nice e-magazine through my close friend Levon Hagopian.
Cyprus had - and still - been one of my 'national' bases for many reason:
a. During the civil war in Lebanon, while just graduated from AUB, I was transferred to Nicosia by my employer, 3M Middle East, to operate from there as a Middle East operational head office. I stay almost 1.5 years (1980-82)
b. Have lots of family/friend/ social contacts that keep communication throughout: Arch. Varoujan Hergelian (pls pass my best regards. He is my wife, Sossi's first cousin), Mr Hrach Manoogian (Melkonian Inst. - My ex but close sports guide), Rev. Mashdots Ashkarian (Larnaka), my wife's maternal uncle (keri) - also regards to him, Mr Diran Der-Avedissian in Nicosia, My dearest Cousin, with his 2 married daughters, Sirvart and Hasmig etc..etc..
All the best Simon. I hope we can be in continuous touch and good job. Keep going.
Regards to all. God Bless U all.
Hovik Nersessian - Beirut

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* Meet some liberal Turkish citizens - sent by Artin Boghossian

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* Turkey and the U.N.’s Cover-Up - The New York Times Editorial

* A Top-Ranking UN Officer Cedes To Turkey's Denial - European Armenian Federation for Justice and Democracy

* Objections Lead U.N. to Delay Genocide Exhibit - By Warren Hoge

HMEM regional Games in Cyprus
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News in Brief - by Sevag Devledian

* President Robert Kocharyan received the delegation headed by Vladimir Pronichev, President of the Council of Commanders of the CIS Frontier Troops, during the 57th sitting of the Council in Yerevan.
* Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak met with his visiting Armenian counterpart Robert Kocharyan Saturday to probe the developments in the Middle East and Central Asia. Mubarak and Kocharyan discussed the Iranian nuclear file, situation in Iraq and the Gulf.
* The Russian Central Elections Commission will send observers to the May 12 parliament elections in Armenia, with five Russian representatives joining the international election observation mission of the CIS and the OSCEODIHR
* At a fundraising reception on April 11, 2007, the U.S. Embassy in Armenia helped the Armenian Red Cross raise over $4,000 for the fight against landmines in Armenia. The reception was held as part of the "Night of a Thousand Dinners," a global event initiated in 2001 by the U.S. State Department under the leadership of former Secretary of State Colin Powell.
* California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger proclaimed April 22nd - April 29th, 2007, as "Days of Remembrance of the Armenian Genocide," the Governor's Office informs.
* The Hurriyet Turkish newspaper published a large report on the metallic cross made on the initiative of Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople for Akhtamar's Sourp Khatch Church and presented a big picture of the cross.
* Garry Kasparov, the former chess champion turned opposition politician in Russia, was arrested with nearly 200 other protesters during a rally in Moscow on Saturday that ended in clashes with riot troops.
* Addressing a conference in Paris organised by the nationalist Talat Pasha Committee and the Paris Association for Kemalist Thought (ADD), Talat Pasha Committee general secretary Ferit Ilsever said that France should abandon legislation that would make it a crime to deny the Armenian Genocide.

Sports - by Sevag Devledian

* In the Cyprus Futsal Cup AGBU Ararat cruised through an easy 12-0 win against Avgorou and qualified into the next round of the competition.
* AYMA/HMEM escaped with a narrow win against Dasikes 3-2. Scorers for AYMA/HMEM were Nazo Terzian and Alex "Chilli" Chillingirian (2). With one match remaining this season AYMA/HMEM look certain to finish in 5th place and are looking forward to doing well in the HMEM regional games that they will be hosting next weekend.
* Yanos Kouyoumdjian and Edmond Aynedjian were defeated in the quarter finals of the doubles under 12 Dherinya Tennis tournament, losing 2-6, 5-7. In the under 10 event Xenios Mavroudis stopped Yanos in the round of 16 and Edmond in the quarter finals. Eleon Junior Championships is next.
* The International Hockey Federation is looking into the case of visa denial at the Irish Embassy in Moscow to the Armenian national ice hockey team. On April 16 the World Hockey Championship kicked off in Ireland without Armenia' s participation to the Games.
* Last week, Armenian and Azerbaijani delegations met in Switzerland and had an unproductive meeting over the permit for the matches held on September 8 and 12 for 'Euro-2008'. The Armenians suggested Yerevan while the Azeris were against it and offered a neutral zone. It is expected that the issue will clear up at UEFA executive body session today.

In memory of Apisoghom Shadarevian

To Gibrahayer e-magazine by Georgos and Vicky Georghiou £5 =

Zaruhi Harutyunyan a semi finalist in a ITF Grade 1 tournament in Carson.

ZARUHI HAROUTYUNYAN' S SUCCESSES CONTINUE IN USA
Gibrahayer - Nicosia 18 April 2007 - Defeating three top 150 players on the way, Armenia's tennis superstar Zaruhi Harutyunyan made it to the semi finals of the United States Spring tournament in Carson, without dropping a single set, completely dominating her worthy opponents among whom Coco Vandeweghe who had stood in Zaruhi Haroutyunyan' s way for main draw entry at the Pacific Life Open a month ago in a professional WTA tournament.
This time round our girl defeated her 6-2, 7-6.
Her winning streak stopped at the semi finals against the eventual winner of the tournament but she collected 80 points from a Grade 1 tournament, that will place her well on her way for a top 100 position.
We believe that with performances like this, she'll make the top 20 in no time.

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g i b r a h a y c a l e n d a r & e v e n t s

* Saturday 21 April - AYMA Vs Ethniki at Strovolos Municipal Grounds at 3:30 pm
* Saturday 21 April at 7:15 pm and every Saturday at AYMA - Arts and Crafts with Mrs. Shoghig from Armenia for all children of all ages. WILL NOT TAKE PLACE DUE TO SIPAN'S PERFORMANCE
* Saturday 21 March at 7:30 pm and every Saturday at AYMA - Youth gatherings. An educational, social get-together of Armenian youth. WILL NOT TAKE PLACE DUE TO SIPAN'S PERFORMANCE
* Saturday 21 April at 8:00 pm - Hamazkayin Cyprus "Oshagan" Chapter presents Sipan Dance Ensemble with a new program of Armenian dances at the Strovolos Municipality Hall. Director / Choreographer Janna Tahmizian
* 28 and 29 April 2007 - HMEM Regional Men's Football and Ladies' Basketball Tournament hosted by HMEM-AYMA, with the participation of the regions of Lebanon, Syria, Kuwait, Jerusalem and Cyprus. Program includes Armenian Kef on the evening of Saturday 28 April with the participation of all guests from HMEM chapters in our region. Details of the Games to follow.
* Saturday, April 28, 2007, at 9:00 pm - Armenian Kef at "Yitonia ton Asmaton" in Aglandja - Nicosia with the participation of athletes and guests from HMEM regions. Music by Hratch Gaydzagian and Shakeh Baghdasarian accompanied by Vahe Simonian and Seto Baghdasarian. Entrance is £12 (including open buffet and drinks) and is open for all members of the Armenian community of Cyprus. To sign up please call Alice Terzian on 22662558 and Garo Terzian on 99302677.
* Saturday, April 28, 2007, at 07:00pm - Armenian Evangelical Church: PUBLIC LECTURE, "The Role of Haigazian University in Maintaining Armenianness in the Diaspora". Presented by: REV DR. PAUL HAIDOSTIAN ( President of Haigazian University in Beirut). Utudjian Hall of the Armenian Prelature.
All are welcome.
* Sunday April 29 at 4:00 pm at PASIDY - ARF Dashnaktsoutiun 117th anniversary celebrations at Pasidy, organised by ARF Dashnaktsoutiun Cyprus Gomideh.
* Sunday, April 29, at 6:30 pm - Armenian Evangelical Church Service in the Memory of the Armenian Genocide. Speaker: REV MEGERDITCH KARAGUEZIAN ( President of The Union of the Armenian Evangelical Churches in The Near East). at Greek Evangelical church, 20 Gladstonos Street, Nicosia - All are welcome.
*
Friday, 4 May 2007, 8.30 p.m - Hamazkayin "Oshagan" Cyprus Chapter presents actress Marie Rose Abusefian in a presentation of "40 Days of Musa Dagh" at PASIDY Theatre. Tickets £4.
*
Saturday May 12 2007 at 5:00 pm - Mother's Day organised by Nor Serount at Armenian Prelature's Utudjian Hall. Speaker of the Day: Dr.Arda Jebedjian.
*
Wednesday May 16, 2007 - Nareg Sports Day - Marzahantes
*
Sunday 27 May at 8:00 pm - Hamazkayin Cyprus "Oshagan" Chapter Timag Group's presents "Sirahar Khenter". Director: Janna Tahmizian.
* 28-30 June 2007 Yerevan - Armenia - International Medical Congress in Yerevan. Doctors from Cyprus wishing to participate may contact The Armenian Embassy in Greece on 210-6831130 until March 31, 2007.

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20. Chance to protest genocide (You can add a comment)
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21. call c-span
Posted by: "gyakoobian" gyakoobian@yahoo.com gyakoobian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:13 pm (PST)
Call c-span and ask then to broadcast this event

National Press Club. to Host Ambassador Evans
WASHINGTON (PRNewswire- USNewswire) - The
National Press Club announced that its Newsmaker
Program, Tuesday, April 24, will feature former US
Ambassador to Armenia John Evans, who will discuss "The Armenian
Genocide: an American Dilemma." The event will be held at noon at the
National Press Club in the Zenger Room.
A career Foreign Service officer, Evans served asthe US ambassador to
Armenia from 2004 throughSeptember 2006. In 2005, breaking ranks with
theState Department's official position, Evans publicly characterized
the mass deaths of Armenians between 1915 and 1923 as "genocide."
Following complaints by the Turkish government, Evans was compelled
to issue a "clarification. " Evans' diplomatic career subsequently ended,
prompting outrage on Capitol Hill. He is now writing a book about the
controversy.

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22. Help Identify Armenian School
Posted by: "Chuck Goushian" Goushian@comcast.net goushian
Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:44 pm (PST)
I have just posted a photo of an Armenain school which my Grandmother
attended. I posted it under files/Armenian School Photos. I am not
sure where or when the picture was taken. If there is anyone that can
provide any information regarding this photo, it would be grteatly
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23a. Armenian Genocide
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Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:37 pm (PST)

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Dear friend (please distribute this widely),

The Jewish community in Los Angeles is giving the Armenian Diaspora a big
show of support by organizing 2 events this month to commemorate the
Armenian Genocide.

Armenian documentary filmmaker Dr. J. Michael Hagopian is a special guest
at both events, and a third event in May honors both him and Richard
Hovannisian for their efforts to bring global recognition to the Armenian Genocide.

Attached are two fliers for the April events, (Mon. 4/23, 7 p.m. & Fri. 4/27
6 p.m.) which are organized by Jewish World Watch and will be held at the
Valley Beth Shalom Temple in Encino:
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24. Turkish Jews send letter on Armenian resolution
Posted by: "Armen" armsef@yahoo.com armsef
Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:27 pm (PST)
Turkish Jews send letter on Armenian resolution

Jewish groups are relaying to the U.S. Congress a letter from the
Turkish Jewish community advocating against a resolution that would
commemorate the Armenian genocide. The non-binding resolution, which
is being pushed by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) -- a Jewish
congressman with a substantial Armenian constituency -- is
encountering fierce Turkish resistance.

A delegation of top Turkish parliamentarians is meeting with top
administration and congressional officials this week to warn that the
resolution would harm Turkish-American relations.

Turkey is America's closest Muslim ally and maintains close relations
with Israel. Turkey is a harsh critic of Israel's treatment of the
Palestinians, but bristles when Israeli politicians suggest that the
killing of Armenians in World War I was genocide.

The Turkish delegation also met with U.S. Jewish leaders, as did a
Turkish Jewish delegation last month. Turks want Jewish groups to
advocate against Schiff's resolution, but only one group, the Jewish
Institute of National Security Affairs, has done so.

Other Jewish groups, mindful of the history of Holocaust revisionism,
do not want to deny Armenians the opportunity to commemorate their
own genocide, which Israeli researchers have said was a precursor to
the Holocaust.

So in a compromise, the American Jewish Committee, Anti-Defamation
League and B'nai B'rith International will relay the Turkish Jewish
letter to Congress later this week, but will not necessarily endorse
it.

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1. FW: [usa] Semester Study Abroad Program in Armenia: CSUF/YSU From: Hrant S. Vartzbedian
2. Azg - Masons Coming to Armenia - Without Any Conspiracy From: sebouhz_tashjian

1. FW: [usa] Semester Study Abroad Program in Armenia: CSUF/YSU
Posted by: "Hrant S. Vartzbedian" hrantv@dataxprs.com.eg hrantoismo
Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:26 am (PST)
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Subject: [usa] Semester Study Abroad Program in Armenia: CSUF/YSU

California State University, Fresno (CSUF)

Semester Abroad Program at Yerevan State University (YSU)

When: Fall 2007, Semester Program, September - December 2007 with one-week
orientation before the courses begin.

The University: Yerevan State University was founded on May 16, 1919. There
are over 110 departments. The university has approximately 9,500
undergraduates, including 300 students from abroad. The languages of
instruction are English, Armenian and Russian. The CSUF Semester Abroad
Program is designed for English-speaking students.

The Program: The International Programs Office at CSUF, with support from
the Armenian Studies Program, will coordinate the academic course-work and
administer the application process. The Armenian Studies Program at CSUF
offers a full range of courses leading to a Minor in Armenian Studies. For
the CSUF Semester Abroad Program, students are required to take five
courses: Armenian language (intensive beginning, intermediate, or advanced -
4 credits); Armenian History; Armenian Arts; and Topics in Armenia Today (3
credits each), and an independent study consisting of a semester-long
supervised, community service project (2 credits).

Eligibility: The program is open to all college juniors and seniors and
graduate students who have maintained a minimum 2.75 GPA.

Estimated Cost (in US dollars): Tuition per semester will be approximately
$2,650 for 15 units, with transcripts to be issued by CSUF upon successful
completion of the courses. Students should also plan on spending money of
$200-$300/month and room and board in the range of $200-300 per month.
Housing options include a conveniently located University dormitory in the
center of Yerevan (approximately $300/month) or home stay (bed & breakfast)
with an Armenian family (expenses paid by Birthright Armenia if eligibility
criteria met). Additional expenses will include passport, visa, insurance,
personal and travel expenses.

Credits: During the semester abroad, students will be registered through the
Division of Continuing and Global Education at CSUF and qualify for 15 units
of CSUF credit. Upon satisfactory completion of the coursework, the CSUF
course credit and grade equivalency of each course taken in Yerevan will be
assigned to the student's CSUF transcript. Students should check with their
college or university to determine the transferability of these credits to
their institution.

Application process: Applications will be received by CSUF starting on
January 1, 2007 through the April 2007 deadline.

Travel fellowship: Travel fellowships are available to qualified applicants
who are accepted into the CSUF Semester Abroad Program through Birthright
Armenia/Depi Hayk (BR/DH). (See www,birthrightarmen ia.org for Eligibility) .
The travel fellowship covers reimbursement of roundtrip economy class
airfare at the average price for that period upon successful completion of
the program and BR/DH requirements. Applications for the travel fellowships
are due by May 15, 2007.

To find out more about the Armenia Study Abroad Program, please visit the
CSUF Armenian Studies website at Armenianstudies. csufresno. edu or call the
CSUF International Programs Office at 559-278-6452 for a full catalog and
application materials.

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2. Azg - Masons Coming to Armenia - Without Any Conspiracy
Posted by: "sebouhz_tashjian" sebouhz_tashjian@yahoo.com.au sebouhz_tashjian
Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:39 am (PST)
AZG Armenian Daily #073, 20/04/2007

International

MASONS COMING TO ARMENIA – WITHOUT ANY CONSPIRACY

Certain information sources of "Azg" daily told us that
representatives of a rather influential Mason lodge are coming to
Armenia in order to establish here a structure of theirs. Guy
Skobian, representative of the Mason delegation, in an interview
to "Azg" correspondent represented the rest of the delegation coming
to Armenia. It consists of Claude Geidan, Second Grandmaster of
the "Great East" lodge, Third Grandmaster George Serin, Responsible
for Justice Andre Abbe, Grand Secretary for Foreign Relations Aveline
Vallaine, as well as Councilors Pierre Chaume, Guy Akobian and Marcel
Veile.

The delegation is to arrive in Yerevan on April 23. According to
Akobian, the visit is aimed at the development of relations between
the Armenian and French Masons. Guy Akobian refused to say who shall
be receiving the delegation in the airport and who shall be involved
in the process of enhancement of relations. Instead he said that a
number of French Armenian Masons from Paris, Marseilles and Nice are
coming with the delegations who are to visit their relatives in their
homeland.

Akobian said that the "Great East" Lodge is striving for "freedom,
brotherhood and secularity". He also explained that the lodge is not
working secretly, therefore there is no conspiracy in the
delegation's visit to Armenia.

By A. Haroutiunian

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