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I'm just putting the clues together

September 13 2017 at 12:59 AM
Rex, Accidental CAG  (Login RexTN)
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Response to Interesting Rex. If I catch....

Or rather, trying to.

We have the very early F-4D and some F-4C in the sixties in Vietnam.

We have the color that they "turned into" matching an FS color, one that was already in the TO as an alternate color.

Then, later, in the Seventies, we have F-4D and F-4E in the UK, fading to the same color.

I could easily believe in a bad batch of 30219 fading into a shade that fit 34201. Then a fix for the paint, so that it maintained the color better.

I can't buy that some aircraft in a unit faded into 34201 and some stayed just fine at 30219. And that it happened in the sixties, the color was "fixed",,,,and then 7-8 years later, it happened again, with some aircraft sitting next to "faded" aircraft,,,to the same color of 34201, with a "corrected paint",,,,that faded to the same color as in Vietnam.

At the very least,,,the newer, fixed, paint should have faded to a different color, right?

Remember that the articles we read in the sixties and seventies, while we were growing up and joining the services ourselves,,were written without instant access to a TO, available for purchase on the Internet. (and also remember that a modeler's guide done in the late 1980's insists that Munsell #7.9Y 6.77/0.55 is the exact same color as 4.2GY 7.1/0.3, even those two colors would be on Different PAGES in the Munsell book {X6440's})

Then you have those Tan patches, where the aircraft codes were painted over, and new codes painted on because of a unit transfer or a reassignment of unit codes,,,,was that Tan a magic paint that didn't fade like the coat it covered? No, it wasn't,,,,it was a different color, being 30219 on a 34201 surface.

All it takes to check this out is a look at USAF colors allowed to be used for SEA camo in a 1966 or 1969 (or later) Revision in the TO. Look at other aircraft, too, such as the B-52, etc.

We can't argue that the UK jets were painted and faded in Vietnam, then shipped to England,because then we are faced with all of those years passing by, which would have faded the Tan to the Green in 'Nam, and then the Gray we saw in 'Nam,,,,,,,surely not staying the same FS 34201 all of that time.

(the stuff either faded from Tan to Green to Gray in a few short years in 'Nam,,,or it didn't,,,can't be said to "hold the Green shade" for enough years to reach England that way AND also that "it faded fast",,,,only one or the other could be true)

This message has been edited by RexTN from IP address on Sep 13, 2017 1:06 AM

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