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Nose-Art Question: P-38 California Cutie

November 17 2009 at 7:13 PM

Andrew Gaitan  (Login Kaibutsu)
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The decals I have for this aircraft show the towel covering the woman is blue in color.

Picture of the aircraft (googled) shows the towel is white.

Which one would you guys go with?


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Re: Nose-Art Qusetion: P-38 California Cutie

November 17 2009, 7:56 PM 

There are two photos in the Squadron book on the 20th FG. Both are B&W, but in the clearest shot, the towel does not look to me to be white. Doesn't mean it was blue, but I wouldn't personally go white.

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John Krukowski
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Not sure why, but...

November 17 2009, 8:17 PM 

For some reason I'm under the impression that the towel's white with three blue stripes at the ends, you know, like classy old towels were. If it were a solid color I might've mistaken it for a robe or something, but I knew it was a towel, which makes me think it had stripes.

I tried hunting for wartime pictures bit I couldn't find anything. If I do, I'll post it here.


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(Login Rhinosd)
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Beware of Warbird photos. . .

November 17 2009, 8:28 PM 

The only color photos of "California Cutie" that I am aware of are of a restored P-38 Warbird.

For instance:

[linked image]

I don't know if the towel on the real California Cutie was actually white or blue, but if accuracy matters to you, then don't rely on restored aircraft to determine the color(s) of the nose art.

It is better to be the stomper rather than the stompee!
[linked image]

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Agree, Rian...

November 17 2009, 10:04 PM 

Restorations are about as dependable as color profiles, or somebody else's model because basically, that's exactly what they are, someone else's "interpretation" and that's ASSUMING that THEY were trying to be historically correct.


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(Login TomCalbury)
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California Cutie nose art

November 18 2009, 5:24 AM 


The two color photos I have of the original California Cutie nose art show the towel to be a very light blue with a yellow frilled bottom to it. They are copyrighted so I don't know if it would be okay to post them here. Which decals do you have and what scale are we talking about? Superscale did a set in 1/48 which had the wrong serial number on the vertical fin (if CC ever had one there with the white triangle) and the towel was dark blue. Aeromaster had/has a set with no serial number for vertical fin but wrong s/n on aircraft data plate. Towel is a lighter blue.


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John Krukowski
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Copyrighted material...

November 18 2009, 11:08 AM 

You could e-mail them directly to Andrew, that should be OK, I think??? I'm not a lawyer but there's a few of them around here, maybe they can weigh in on this...I think selling it (like including them in a new book without permission) is where you'd really get into some big trouble. Posting copyrighted material here might be an "iffy" one too because of the ads, as there's money involved however indirectly, but maybe information sharing for reference use only is OK...I dunno. One HS lawyer posts copyrighted pictures here all the time, so maybe it's not a problem.

Is there a lawyer in the house???


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I'm not a lawyer but....

November 18 2009, 12:40 PM 

I'm not a lawyer but there's at least two of them on this forum. But they may not be copyright lawyers...

Anyway, look up "fair use". The fair use of copyrighted material in the U.S. (determined by 17 U.S.C. 106 and 17 U.S.C. 106A) says that four tests need to be done prior to use:

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

All of this is subject to interpretation and my reading on the subject leads me to believe that posting anybody else's work on the net and saying "fair use" puts you in a gray area of the law. If money is involved you are probably wrong, but if there's no money involved it gets much trickier to sort out. Most people on this forum would probably argue the material has educational purpose.

Feel free to consult legal counsel....happy.gif

John Hairell (tpn18@yahoo.com)

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