Revell 1/32 P-51B question..August 15 2010 at 11:05 PM
|Dave Cantrell (Login dgcantrell)|
from IP address 188.8.131.52
Just curious... What was wrong with the nose on this kit? I hear it was too short. Is it fixable with a simple slice and splice? I know there's a bunch of other issues with the kit but I'm just tossing around a few ideas in my head for a What-if project.
I don't know exactly but I recall back in the Jurassic Period
|August 15 2010, 11:26 PM |
(1975 or so) there was an article in some magazine that involved cutting out the "razorback" and inserting a Hasegawa P-51D underneath it. Apparently it involved all that.
Tank: So what do you need? Besides a miracle.
Neo: Guns. Lots of guns.
Wing leading edge is different so it's not that "easy" (n/t)
|August 16 2010, 2:50 AM |
Re: Revell 1/32 P-51B question..
|August 15 2010, 11:48 PM |
I don't have the Revell kit but based on all the photos I've seen the nose is too bulgy, the shape is off.
As mentioned above the length may also be wrong.
The best thing to do is to compare it to photos and see what you think.
You can also contact Charles Neely at the P-51 SIG forums and buy a set of his Mustang drawings, they are the most accurate on the market.
Revell P51B nose issues
|August 16 2010, 4:17 AM |
I have the most recent issue of this. IIRC correctly the nose from the cockpit forward is noticeably OFF. (ie even I can see it)
My solution was to purchase the Trumpeter P51B US markings kit as it comes with a complete duplicate sprue of fuselage halves (in clear). As far as I know the main issue with the trumpeter kit is the cockpit interior and I look forward to scratching and detailing a new one. I can live with or fix the rest.
The trump nose is a bit off too but is fixable with a spot of filler/sanding.
Whether the kit bash of Revell wings and Trump fuselage is simple or complex I havent yet checked (the kits are in different stashes...so to speak) it may be an expensive solution but at the time I had a reasonable disposable income.
The other way is to sacrifice a P51D kit (which could be just as expensive) or I believe someone does/did a complete resin correction set??
HTH John H.
|August 16 2010, 5:02 AM |
A) tell me what/where that spot of filler is due to correct the trump 51B?
B) let me know when you check the Revell wing + trump spare fuselage fit? I have been eyeing that spare fuse and thinking about doing that revell trick.
More expensive than using a hase D... well you get two kits and not one, so... In any case I already have the trump B.
thomas (at) coolpartners.dk
|This message has been edited by Thomas_Lund from IP address 184.108.40.206 on Aug 16, 2010 5:03 AM|
trump p51B nose
|August 17 2010, 2:18 AM |
There was a build article in in one of those confusingly similarly named UK model mags MAI or MAM ?. (The model was on the cover) in it the reviewer did some refining of the nose contours along the upper cowl.
I'll see if I can dig that copy out and scan and send the article if you like. let me know along with an addy.
If I can get the two 1/32 kits in one spot some day I'll run a check on fit.
cheers John H
bob in Maine
Well let's see...
|August 16 2010, 6:01 AM |
I built this kit when I was about 10, and I didn't at the time see anything wrong.
My now 35 year old memory (that particular kit didn't survive terribly long) doesn't bring up any shape issues. But then I can remember the box art better than I can remember the actual model. Shangri-la, of course!
I also had the Bob Hoover D in garish yellow plastic (which meant I didn't have to paint it- airbrush? What's an airbrush? Oh, that's what you paint far-out vans with!) and I believe that the main landing gear of both gradually moved farther and farther forward. Maybe it was the liberal dose of Testor's lemon-scented glue I stuck them on with...
No, I didn't really expect this to help you!
Best to combine a Hasegawa D with Revell B
|August 16 2010, 8:11 AM |
Dave, I have a project (now back in the box that is going to be finished someday), but I came to the conclusion that there is just too much wrong with the Revell kit to try to make an accurate B. The best thing to do is to use most of the airframe of a Hasegawa D kit, then graft the fuselage spine from the Revell B on to make the razorback. You will also have to reduce the angle of the leading edge of the wings where that blends into the fuselage, but that isn't that hard. You could leave the fillet in place in front of the vert stab on the Hasegawa kit if you wanted to make a C version as well. I just removed the fillet and used some plastic and putty to make a correct vert stab on the Hasegawa kit.
There also was a feature in Fine Scale Modeler magazine several years ago showing the Hasegawa converted to a B by making a clear acrylic spine by vaccuforming and grafting that in. That made for a nice transition from the glass areas to the metal skin with no gaps to fill. I have that issue in my collectin and could scan that and email it, if ya want. Let me know.
|David Alexander MD|
I would love a scan of the article!
|August 16 2010, 9:44 AM |
I'll scan that ASAP
|August 16 2010, 10:22 AM |
and get that to you. Might take me a day or 2, but I'll fix you up.
I don't know why people think the Revell kit is so good
|August 16 2010, 8:30 AM |
It is not... It's one of the worst Mustang kits in any scale. While many of the older Revell 1/32 kits were pretty good (P-40, Spitfire, Wildcat, etc.) the Mustang is just way off. Everything is noticably off to the eye. No need for drawings to compare this one too. The nose, prop, proportions, detailing, landing gear, etc. are all off. I'm not sure you can really fix the kit or if it would be worth it. As poor as the Trumpeter B kit is, every aspect of the Trumpeter kit is still vastly better than the Revell kit.
I know why
|August 16 2010, 3:44 PM |
I think it has to do with the Box art. If you are in the age bracket most of us are then you built the boxing with Shangri La on the cover. I am gonna go out on a limb here and say. One of the best if not THE Best box art ever! So when we were all young boys you took one look at that awesome box and thought the kit inside was equally awesome!
This is why I am still lamenting how close the 21st Century P-51B was and then Pffttt!
"You'll Love My Wingnuts!"
Agree 100%. All of those Revell 1/32 box tops were fantastic...
|August 16 2010, 4:51 PM |
If I had to pick one favorite, it probably would be the Gentile P-51B, even if he is fighting a Bf-109E.
Then there's the Spitfire DW-K...awesome. And the P-40E sharkmouth...and the P-47 bombing the rail yard...and the Zero with the B-29s...and the Bf-109F escorting the He-111s. Great stuff!
Hey Lee, Did you check my Avatar?
|August 16 2010, 7:38 PM |
The P-47 bombing the railyard! John Krukowski uses the Shangri-La artwork as his Avatar.
Those boxarts were fabulous!
"You'll Love My Wingnuts!"
|August 16 2010, 8:51 AM |
But, again, I'm not really concerned out the accuracy too much since it's going to be a "what-if" project.
See for yourself.... Pics...
|August 16 2010, 10:15 AM |
Here is Revell P-51B completed by a few of our club members as a club project for one of our Tuskegee airmen friends. Photos were taken by Lee Kolosna. The shape issues in the nose area are very apparent when compared to the real thing: Spinner is too long. Intake is too deep, which throws off the curve from the wing leading edge to the nose. The whole nose is too round and doesn't have the characteristic flat side and top panels that transition into the round spinner of the real thing.
Included are a couple of photos of real P-51Bs for comparison.
Posted for informational purposes, not to disparage a classic kit of which I have fond memories. And, oh, that box art...
I'm usually not very good at seeing those things, but that one screams at you (n/t)
|August 16 2010, 10:31 AM |
Yes, agreed: I'm not a micrometer guy, but this one is pretty obvious. n/t
|August 16 2010, 11:19 AM |
|August 16 2010, 10:22 AM |
I have that kit. I've had it since the mid-1970s. Obviously, I've built other things instead. I have much more recently purchased aftermarket decals for it and a vac-form Malcolm hood. I will eventually build it. I've looked at it more recently, and the biggest thing you notice is that the nose is narrow, more like an Allison-engined Mustang. I haven't gone past that for accuracy issues. I've heard of people grafting on the Hasegawa P-51D nose to correct the narrow nose issue.
"If a tree fell in the forest, would it sue?"