(Login jwhangen) HyperScale Forums from IP address 22.214.171.124
Last Fall my son and I did a Scout sleepover on the USS Massachusetts - had a great time, and the vast majority of the ship is open to exploration. We've been talking about driving down to see the New Jersey, and were wondering if it's worth it (considering that we have toured the Massachusetts). I had heard that only a small portion of the NJ is open to tourists - true? Just looking for some general feedback, thanks!
This message has been edited by jwhangen from IP address 126.96.36.199 on May 10, 2012 1:57 PM
I am not sure if the U.S.S. New Jersey has sleep overs but they do have different tours available depending on what ticket you buy. You can also visit the Adventure Aquarium right next door to the U.S.S. New Jersey or even take a trip into Philadelphia just across the river.
Not sure about the New Jersey, the only Iowa class I haven't been on.
May 10 2012, 2:28 PM
USS Missouri is pretty well open, lots to see below decks as well as above. Last Sept. while in Va. Beach, we visited USS Wisconsin and were pretty disappointed. Only a small area is open to the public, an officers ward room if I remember. I was lucky enough to visit USS Iowa when she was still active in Norfolk, had a friend stationed on board.
I've been fortunate enough to tour/visit many of the preserved warships that are located in the U.S.. Including, U.S.S. Massachusetts, North Carolina, Alabama, Texas, along with the carriers, U.S.S. Intrepid, Yorktown and other notable ships such as the U.S.S. Nautilus, Olympia, Constitution & Constellation.
IMHO, if you;ve seen one battleship, you've pretty much seen them all. Obviously, each has its' own history and nuances, but in terms of their differences, they are subtle and really only appearent to naval architects and the like. Now there are at least two exceptions to this rule, the U.S.S. Texas is unique in its' own right, as it is one of last dreadnaught-era type warships still extant, as well as the holder of many "firsts."
The U.S.S. Olympia is unique as it is a Spanish-American War-era ship, that has much in common with the U.S.S. Maine in terms of history and the like.
Obviously the Constitution and Constellation, being fighting sail ships are just unique in and of themselves and also due to the fact of the sheer amount of history that they possess.
However, if you have not seen or visited any of the perserved aircraft carriers, I would highly recommend them. A vote for my adopted home's U.S.S. Intrepid is in order here. It also has a number of historic aircraft on board, including soon the shuttle Enterprise. I also HIGHLY recommend a visit to New London and the U.S.S. Nautilus. As the first nuke powered submarine, it has alot of history, but it also serves as a pretty decent example of what submariners in general deal with.
I must reiterate that this is solely my opinion and I am sure others have differing opinions and may even weigh in on this matter.
BTW - The USS Olympia is right across the river (and probably not for much longer)
May 10 2012, 5:15 PM
at the Independence Seaport Museum, along with the Balao-class submarine USS Becuna. It is quite literally directly across the Delaware River from the USS New Jersey.
I wouldn't plan a trip to Philly just to see either one (and this is coming from someone who lives 10 minutes away) but there's tons of stuff to see in Philly. I think that's one reason the ships haven't done as well as others in other cities or locations, there's just too much other stuff to see, and neither one is really anything worth making a trip just to see it alone.
Can say with honestly that if you're only coming down to see the New Jersey, you will find that it is similar to the tour of the Massachusetts. In fact at least with the Fall River site you have the destroyer, sub, and other craft to see as well.
The Battleship NJ is only the battleship. Consider a tour of the Olympia and the becuna across the river in Phili and perhaps spending some time in and around Phili for a day or two.
I think that will be more of a better use of your time. Last time I was down there, I was able to find hotels for $50 and up.
The NJ can use all the support in can get- state cutbacks have hurt their budget and staffing. If you are mulling over a visit, please consider the fact that your visit can help the financial cause as a part of your decision.
The ship is in excellent material condition and my kids and I really enjoyed the sleepover and the dinner/breakfast in the chow line and mess hall!
The area around the battleship and aquarium is safe but get out of Camden if you want to do anything else. Cherry Hill is close by and very nice. South Jersey is really very nice, Camden is not representative of the area, it's a bit of an anomaly.
John Mac (Login A5mobster) HyperScale Forums 188.8.131.52
Part of the rational to move it to Liberty State park
May 10 2012, 10:45 PM
is for that concern.
Back in the days after service, there were several sites in the running for the final berth for the NJ. Bayonne, Camden, Liberty State park (across from the statue).
Camden got it b/c there was a 'Camden needs a shot in the arm' rational. It was dillusional then and remains so.
The main 'during transit' goal of 99% of the visitors is like a Thud mission-get in as fast as you can, don't make a wrong turn, perform the job (see the ship) and get the hell out of there equally as fast.
All putting it in Camden did was reduce visitors by untold thousands over the years.
Despite the cost, I hope the grass roots effort to move it succeeds.
Jay if you go, stay in Olde City part of Philadelphia, which is right off the waterfront where the Olympia is. Don't stay in NJ - that doesn't come from snobbery, I actually used to live in S. Jersey and love it, but for a tourist there is nothing there.
There is a daily ferry from Penn's Landing (where the Olympia is) and the Jersey side, so you won't need a car. I think you can still walk across the bridge, it is fun, but a bit much.
Next to the Olympia is the Philadelphia Maritime musuem, worth an hour or two.
In Olde City there are Independence Hall, the Liberty Bell, Constitution Center, US Mint, Betsy Ross house, Ben Franklin post office and house. THIS STUFF IS ALL LITERALLY WITHIN 4 BLOCKS OF EACH OTHER and the waterfront! Also tons of restaurants there too. It gets quite busy on the weekend.
Also in olde city is Capellis Hobby. Overpriced, but some interesting kits there. If you are driving there is also AAA Hobbies in Magnolia NJ, about 15 min. away. A great hobby shop, also known as Stephens Intl - the Trumpeter Importer.
Final note, if you stay in Olde City, parking will cost extra. You can consider taking Amtrak or flying in, as you can walk to everything you would want to see.
I live in Connecticut and am actually thinking of day-tripping it to save on hotel costs. Would love to see the SS United States too while I'm down there, actually I think I'm even more intrested in seeing that than the New Jersey (only because I explored the Massachusetts from stem to stern).
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