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Problems with painting canopies

June 27 2013 at 4:26 PM
Michael  (Login WildeSau75)
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Hi guys,

I am a newbee and currently work on my Tamiya 1/48 P-51B.

I have issues with painting the canopy. I use Tamiya tape to mask it off and paint with brushes and Tamiya colors. The main problems are that I sometimes get paint where it shouldn't be and that by often touching and the often usage of the tape is affecting the clearness of the canopy as well as removing the color I already applied.

Any help abour how this can be made better is appreciated

Thanks,

Michael


 
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Craig (in Daytona) Abrahamson
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Painting canopy frames is a nemesis for many of us....

June 27 2013, 4:47 PM 

Ideally, using pre-cut canopy masks is the best solution (although not always feasible, depending on ones' financial status and availability issue).
Short of that method, the use of the thin Tamiya 'yellow' tape is a popular alternative. Subsequent to the application of tape to the entire canopy frame (including the INSIDE), it'd probably be better to spray the desired color rather than brush it - less chance to alleviate the dreaded "bleed-under" woes.
Some folks use a liquid mask to accomplish the task. Personally, I don't like it (haven't had much luck doing it that way).
Aluminum foil is another way to cover the glass between the frame members. Small pieces applied with a toothpick, followed by a new No. 11 blade to trim the excess..tedious, but effective.
Others may have different techniques - these are but a few I thought of off the top of my head. Hope I gave ya a couple of ideas to try. Good luck.

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Michael
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Hey Craig - thanks a lot for your detailed explanation - that helps. Cheers, Michael

June 28 2013, 5:29 AM 


 
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Mike
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Not a reply but another question

June 27 2013, 4:57 PM 

Michael, some weeks back you mentioned Tamiya AS paints in spray cans. Where in Switzerland have you found this paint as it has been over 10 years since I last saw it in a shop?

Mike

 
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Michael
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Tamiya AS sprays

June 27 2013, 6:12 PM 

Hi Mike,

You are right - I did talk about them.

In Switzerland they not seem to be available. I get them from CMC-Versand, a German company (www.cmc-versand.de). Just search with the respective AS no. (i.e. AS-12) in the search field. Prices are more or less like other Tamiya spray cans - Euro 10.-.

They deliver in reasonable time. Just be sure they have on stock what you want. Otherwise it might take too long. I am still waiting for my AS-8 Navy Blue without which I can't finish my P-47M which is already partially painted.,,

But otherwise I can only say positive things about that company.

Are you living in Switzerland too?

Cheers,
Michael

 
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Mike
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Thanks for the tip...

June 28 2013, 3:04 AM 

Thanks for the tip concerning CMC Versand, and, yes, I am in Switzerland. I came here in 1972 (on a one year contract!) and have been here ever since.

Mike

 
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Michael
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Cool....

June 28 2013, 5:28 AM 

which part of Switzerland are you living in? I myself live near Zürich - in Wallisellen - close to the airport.

Nice to see some people from Switzerland at Hyperscale.

Hope you get your AS sprays there.

Cheers,
Michael

 
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bill wilson
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Years ago I did all my canopies with a

June 27 2013, 5:25 PM 

brush and no masking. I could easily rub off any mistakes with the point of a wooden toothpick (using enamel paint btw). Painting the canopy frames was always the very last thing I did, and would install it on the model as soon as it was painted to avoid a lot of handling. Today I mask and spray, but still leave it till last thing in the build (after painting, decaling, etc.).

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Michael
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Thanks Bill - sounds like practicing is important...Cheers, Michael

June 28 2013, 5:26 AM 


 
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Philip
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Be sure to wash your clear parts before painting with detergent. Removes release agent

June 27 2013, 5:31 PM 

and allows paint to stick better.

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Michael
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Thanks Phil - didn't do that before...

June 28 2013, 5:23 AM 


 
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Jolor
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After masking

June 27 2013, 6:15 PM 

paint a coat of future on the whole canopy. That will seal the tape. When the paint dries run a new #11 blade around the frames before you remove the mask. You will get sharp clean lines.

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Li Choo
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I use Avery Labels for frames

June 27 2013, 7:17 PM 

I airbrush the base colour to the paper based label then cut strips then apply to the canopy.
After that, I paint Future to the clear areas to seal up the stuck on strip

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Andrew Gaitan
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Li, that looks pretty good...

June 27 2013, 7:30 PM 

I'll have to give that a try. Thank you for that tip!

Andrew






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Michael
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Great Li - thanks. Can you tell me more about what you use exactly?

June 28 2013, 5:23 AM 

Your results look excellent.

What is it that you use? Avery Lables doesn't say a lot to me...

Thanks & regards,
Michael

 
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Mike
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Avery labels

June 28 2013, 6:47 AM 

These are adhesive labels on a backing which enable you to print the text with your computer. They come in all shapes and sizes. Try Office World in Switzerland.

As for me, 30 plus years in Geneva and now some 8km north of Bern where I am still struggling to decipher this dialect of Hochalemannisch!

Mike

 
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Michael
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Thanks Mike...

June 28 2013, 5:36 PM 

gone have a look at Office World.

So, you moved to the German speaking part of Switzerland - cool. Yeap, "Bernish" isn´t that easy to learn I guess. But honestely no Swiss German dialect is easy to understand fully and to speak of actually talking it properly.

Did you come from the USA? What make you coming and staying?

Hope you like it...

Thanks and cheers,
Michael

 
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Ron
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It is the only aspect of aircraft modelling I dislike but.............

June 28 2013, 6:00 AM 

I follow this process.

I complete all interior work.

I make sure there is absolutely no speck of dust inside before fixing the transparencies I have dipped in future. (Dust will stick inside them with static.)

I cut Tamiya tape into very thin strips by putting it on a sheet of glass and cutting it with a new blade.

The transparency framing is masked and edges smoothed down using a tooth pick and then the clear areas masked with Copydex (latex glue) applied with a small brush.

I then spray the interior frame colour.

I then spray the camou colour.

I remove the masking as one of the last jobs.

If at all possible I do all the work before fixing the glazing as in the case of sliding canopies and turret tops.

It is never perfect. I do not know how people can get theirs to look so good. Even with pre cut masks.

 
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