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Other than profit, what's the thinking behind Eduard's bronze ....

September 12 2017 at 9:18 PM
Tom Booth  (Login bookmark460)
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Brassin u/c legs??

OK, if a heavy model, prob stronger than the kit's plastic legs. But is the featured 48th 109-F that heavy? No.

Now if polished up, unpainted w/ a seal coat of clear, nice looking for sure. Shiny. Not 1:1 authentic of course.

And then there's the 20+ (!) buck price!!??

Good for Eduard, I guess, for pushing the scale modelling AM edge/envelope, but this new-ish product (they offered some for their 48th Mig 29 a couple yrs ago too I think) seems to answer a Q not asked.

Pass. Esp when for less than twice their cost, I can buy another one of their fine reworked 109Gs (ProfilPak) from HLJ!


 
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bernard payne
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Re: Other than profit, what's the thinking behind Eduard's bronze ....

September 12 2017, 9:34 PM 

I agree. Much needed for 1/32 scale (ask me how I know) but probably not 1/48.JM2C.

 
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Tom Booth
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Oh yeah, say for the 32nd HK B-17. Wonder of that kit's legs ....

September 14 2017, 1:05 AM 

are reinforced w/ a wire insert or some such?

 
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Gil Hodges
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Because modelers have proven themselves to be suckers!

September 12 2017, 9:40 PM 

Over the last 30yrs we modelers have proven that we WILL pay a higher price for "perceived" higher quality.

Sometimes it's truly a better kit/aftermarket set and other times it's just another competitor's version of what they think is "better" or more "accurate".

The main change between then and now is that these items are pushed by the "expert reviewers" as necessities to address perceived shortcomings in kits, and not "choices" that builders have to choose from IF they want to do more to a kit.

Look at the latest 109 review over the last 2 days in "What's New"; where Bret presents a new release of a very good kit and then proceeds to list every aftermarket item available (and he's throwing into it). It's one way to build a kit, but it's not the ONLY way to build it. And yes, I realize that Bret is NOT doing that. As far as I can tell he's showing what you CAN do to the model with all that is available; not that you have to build it like he's doing.

Please don't get me wrong....I do NOT object to items to help build a better model. I object to their being presented as NECESSITIES to build a model.

It's your choice, but the bottom line is Eduard and the others keep doing this because WE'VE proven we'll pay through the nose for all of the pretty baubles they make for already pretty nice kits!

 
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John in Texas
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I am with you Gil

September 13 2017, 9:58 AM 

Not only that but so many builders rely on aftermarket instead of skills we used to have. Then again some just build for the enjoyment out of box. I have so much aftermarket stuff when I used my referee money to buy. Same to some degree with model railroads. That is another thing my money is tied up in.

 
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Tom Booth
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I HAVE made that choice a couple times. Kitchen sink builds. Bought ....

September 14 2017, 1:14 AM 

tons of (prob not everything available at the time) AM for the particular kit. PE and resin. A 35th German half track and a 350th IJN ship. Many of the AM parts of course were repeats of one another and I chose what I thought was the best rep of the 1:1 part.

It was fun, ended up w/ a TON of leftovers, and will prob not be repeated. Tho I am eyeing all the AM produced (lighting kits too) for Fine Molds 72nd Millennium Falcon!

 
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Malcolm McKay
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No advantage over brass in that application - one born every minute applies, n/t

September 12 2017, 10:01 PM 


 
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Pat Donahue
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Not neccessarly, there are some extremely fine detail

September 12 2017, 10:20 PM 

items cast in that would be very hard to replicate even with P/E. Notice in the review the landing gear uplock clamps for example. That would be pretty hard to reproduce in 1/48 using conventional scratch building techniques not to mention attaching them to the gear legs. The oleo links have the indentations like the real items, again hard to reproduce with files and regular P/E is too one dimensional to be as effective, and lastly all the brake line kinks are already there as they go up the gear leg. All this is cast in one piece so there is a additional strength factor with little or no clean up of seams. Yes they are expensive but I think if one is not building a fleet of Bf 109s they may be worth the money, or even a splurge for that special build as Brett alluded to.
I think these items will find a home with those who would like more detail fidelity much like the P/E instrument panels have done.


    
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JohnHealy
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I just ordered an Eduard weekend "F" from SB for $14.99........

September 12 2017, 10:27 PM 

Time to build some 109s for the first time since '92. I am quite sure brass struts are not necessary. Only kits I've ever bought metal gear for are the 1/48 Monogram F-105 and Airfix Canberra.

 
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Andrew
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Sorry, but in business there is only one motivation ...

September 13 2017, 4:27 AM 

... and that is profit, unless you want to go out of business in a hurry.

Even firms that want to "better the hobby" by producing good after market bits - profit still rules.

And here, even if brass is a better medium to use than white metal or photo-etch, at the core will be profit - cheaper to manufacture, shift more units, corner the market, whatever.

Ciao

 
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DJ
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109's can sit in a display case for years and strong brass legs are needed

September 13 2017, 8:40 AM 

I think there is some value to brass legs. They do not break like plastic. If the 109 is to be displayed for years, chances are it will be moved for cleaning at some point and the brass legs insure some longevity.


    
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Steven "Modeldad" Eisenman
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Say what? I got 109s from 25 years ago, moved from NY to MA. Legs good.

September 13 2017, 8:45 AM 

Yes they can break, but if you are that careless, then likely something else will snap off.

And if you do knock them off, "be a modeler", as they say, and use a drill, wire and glue.

Of course, if you have money to burn...., I'll save that for a good single malt.



    
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DJ
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Operative word is "you"

September 13 2017, 9:03 AM 

So sitting in a display case in a hobby shop and Game Boy Billy drops the kit whilst dusting in 2024. Oops. Drop tank, gone. Legs fly across room. So who is going to super glue it back together? Kit goes in trash. Brass legs would have minimized damage.

 
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Steven "Modeldad" Eisenman
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Then the cost of the legs will go to a newer more accurate 109

September 13 2017, 9:10 AM 

When 109 legs run close to $30....

 
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DJ
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

September 13 2017, 10:35 AM 

A stupid drunk party-goer at my condo in 1991 tossed one of my super detailed kits across the study room floor with the words "I thought it would fly!" as she left the premeses. All gear busted and drop tanks gone. I was so mad I put the kit in a shoebox and didn't fix it. Brass legs would have avoided that calamity!

 
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Mike Dougherty
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Re: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

September 13 2017, 10:56 AM 

You can't be serious?

 
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DJ
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Yes.

September 13 2017, 2:06 PM 

Whack job.

 
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Mike Dougherty
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Re: Yes.

September 13 2017, 11:56 PM 

Not what I was referring to.

 
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Eric Holmberg
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I'm convinced P.T. Barnum knew a whole bunch of model builders. nt.

September 13 2017, 10:20 AM 


 
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DJ
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If not for plastic kits

September 13 2017, 10:39 AM 

I would have spent my youth stealing hubcaps and staring at tv reruns.

 
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