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Here's a very rare model ...

September 13 2017 at 9:55 PM
Mark Allen M  (Login MarkAllenM)
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at least it seems to be from what is states below. Quite interesting though. Brings up the question: Has anyone ever built a recent model of an old model? I'd think this example below would be a nice choice. It would definitely have an interesting backstory to it at one of the modeling shows IMHO

"This is a very interesting image of the Mustang story. I believe this is a North American factory model of the proposed 'Merlin' conversion. It depicts the P-51A / Mustang Mk.1A fuselage and wing with the 20mm cannons. The British were converting four Mk.1A airframes designated Mk.X to carry the Merlin 65 engine and using a 4 blade Spitfire wood propeller. While at roughly the same time North American engineers were working on the same conversion designated XP-78.These two airframes were to use the Packard - Merlin 61 engine and a 4 blade Hamilton Standard propeller. However the actual prototype used the Hamilton Standard "Cuffed" blades. The serial number on the fuselage appears to be erroneous. The NAA serials were - 41-37352 and 41-37421. The contract for the two prototypes was signed on 25 JULY 1942. The first NAA factory Merlin conversion flew on 30 November 1942 by test pilot Robert Chilton. The plane was then designated as XP-51B." ... K.A. Young

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Craig in Daytona
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A factory model, huh? Wonder what they used for the gear. nt

September 13 2017, 11:23 PM 

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Pat Donahue
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Hoping that Mark does not mind, here are a few

September 13 2017, 11:47 PM 

photos of Mr. Leroy Grumman and his model collection.
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Craig in Daytona
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WOW...wonder what ever became of those ones on the shelf?

September 14 2017, 12:21 AM 

The ones hanging from the ceiling I believe are painted wooden black models used for identification training.
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Ron M
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The ones on the shelf look like Toppings Models.

September 14 2017, 10:29 AM 

Quite often seen on eBay. He probably took them home when he retired. Their values have depreciated quite a bit over the last few years.

 
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Brad
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Or Bakelite n/t

September 15 2017, 1:42 PM 

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George Campbell
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Grumman on airplane is like Sterling on silver !! nt

September 14 2017, 12:25 AM 


 
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Greg in CA
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Wheels an oleos look like turned aluminum, pinned axles.

September 14 2017, 9:31 AM 


 
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bob in Maine
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Looks more like-

September 14 2017, 5:31 AM 

a die-cast/"toy" than a real "factory model" to me. The configuration isn't that out there, though- the Brits did lobby for the cannon.
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Giampiero Silvestri
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P-51 Mustang MkX

September 14 2017, 7:17 AM 

The P-51 Mustang MkX looked completely different than the model on the picture.

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Giampiero

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Steven "Modeldad" Eisenman
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I believe the picture is of a model of the XP-51B. Does not say it is the Mustang X.

September 14 2017, 8:25 AM 

XP-51_B_1

XP-51_B_2

 
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Bruce Culver
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Note in the upper photo that this XP-51B has not had.....

September 14 2017, 9:07 AM 

the wing lowered - it is still in the standard position for the P-51 and P-51A. The Merlin engine installation was several inches deeper than the Allison, and NAA took advantage of this to lower the wing several inches from the Allison powered models and deepen the cockpit, improving pilot headroom. The bottom photo appears to be a standard production or production prototype P-51B with the wing lowered.

 
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Malcolm McKay
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I can't see any images using this s26.postimg.org. No problems with other sites, n/t

September 14 2017, 9:16 PM 


 
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steven eisenman
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That's because you cannot see over the bulge of the equator. Try another browser.

September 14 2017, 9:28 PM 


 
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Malcolm McKay
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Well thanks for that helpful advice, n/t

September 14 2017, 9:48 PM 


 
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Steven "Modeldad" Eisenman
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That picture is of AM203, third Merlin 65 conversion. Here is the first..

September 14 2017, 8:36 AM 

It does seem to have a deeper chin intake.

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This appears to be a second. Don't have RAF serial sequence. And is it in Dark earth and Middlestone?

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Don McIntyre
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Somebody wanted to be the first…

September 14 2017, 8:51 AM 

To get out a kit of the new Merlin engined Mustang. Then they changed to configuration, but it was too late to change the molds…
We see that all the time…
Don McIntyre
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Brad
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I'm skeptical

September 15 2017, 1:48 PM 

The panel lines, for one thing, make me think it is a much more recent model, than something made at North American back then. Also, that it as a cockpit and clear canopy, strikes me as unusual for the time. Look at the photo of Leroy Grumman that is shared in this thread-those are wooden or Bakelite models, probably made as recognition models. They're solid, just depicting the outlines, but there aren't panels, or clear canopies. I agree with the other poster who suggest that this is a die-cast model.

Do you have any more info about the provenance of the model, apart from the quoted text description? For example, if this was in an online auction, did the seller have any documentation of any kind, to help confirm that this was produced by North American?

It's interesting, of course, but I would be wary of it, if it were offered to me for sale.
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Mark Allen M
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It's legit

September 17 2017, 12:23 AM 

The photo is authentic and not from a sale.

 
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