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The last unofficially known photo of the USS Arizona before December 7th 1941 ...

December 7 2017 at 9:48 AM
Mark Allen M  (Login MarkAllenM)
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This is the last "unofficial known" photo of the USS Arizona before she was sunk on Dec 7, 1941. She was leaving Puget Sound WA early 1941 after having upgrades completed.

USS Arizona. Puget Sound WA early 1941

 
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Mark Allen M
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"Terrified" or "Terrific" ...

December 7 2017, 10:12 AM 

Many thought the word was "Terrified" until you notice to time. The time of entry is 0700 hours. The first wave of the attack did not begin until 7:55 a.m. Flying conditions were excellent. Hence the word "terrific". Not terrified....

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Steven "Modeldad" Eisenman
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Wonder where this was taken. Pearl? There's another "modernized" BB in the background

December 7 2017, 10:31 AM 

Interesting that in both pictures there are no aircraft aboard. Also, since her anchor is not down, but she is clearly stopped, perhaps at one of the mooring quays at Pearl.

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Chris Eldridge
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The original poster said it was Puget Sound, early 1941.

December 7 2017, 12:13 PM 

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Steven "Modeldad" Eisenman
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Not his. The picture I posted. Location is unknown.

December 7 2017, 1:50 PM 

Given the activity, perhaps it is Pearl.


    
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Tracy White
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I'm going to guess Seattle Area

December 7 2017, 12:34 PM 

Looks like a hint of a snow-capped mountain in the distance above turret 4. I can't think of any other west coast port that has a feature like that. Since I live in Seattle I'm going to guess that this would have been summer of 1940 or so looking west towards the Olympic mountains, but I don't have my copy of Paul Stillwell's Arizona book handy to confirm if she was anywhere near in that time frame. The stack is raised (Mark's photo shows her before the stack was had height added) and the searchlights are on the aft tripod but she doesn't have the King Board modifications that she received between December 1940 and January 1941, so it's certainly before 1941.

 
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Steven "Modeldad" Eisenman
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Poor quality, and I don't see snow capped mountain. I've been in Seattle

December 7 2017, 1:53 PM 

Interesting observations on timing. Have to go back to other images.

 
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John
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A very poor quality image but it looks like a mountain

December 7 2017, 1:59 PM 

above the gun barrels of turret #4.It looks like
it's rising out of the mist.---John


    
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Steven "Modeldad" Eisenman
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bit more like a stain on the image. Given the poor image, could be mountains.

December 7 2017, 2:02 PM 



    
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John
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I see the stains to the left but dam if I don't see snow

December 7 2017, 2:20 PM 

scattered among the rocks on that faint peak!

 
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John
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Saw original picture, those ARE STAINS! Most likely

December 7 2017, 2:36 PM 

picture was at Pearl.---John

 
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Steven "Modeldad" Eisenman
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But as noted, perhaps 1940. Before further mods at Puget Sound.

December 7 2017, 3:23 PM 


 
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Tracy White
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Not Pearl

December 7 2017, 7:00 PM 

Doesn't match up with known Pearl Harbor landmarks or mountains.

 
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Mark Allen M
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It’s stated to be Bremerton WA ....

December 7 2017, 8:32 PM 

I have the same photo as well as from another Anglo’s clearer.

 
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Mark Schynert
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Mount Olympus, viewed from the far side of Bainbridge island

December 7 2017, 5:46 PM 

Bainbridge is probably the low hills in the foreground. Seehttps://previews.123rf.com/images/billperry/billperry1306/billperry130600005/20283459-Bainbridge-Island-Mount-Olympus-Snow-Mountains-Olympic-National-Park-Washington-State-Pacific-Northw-Stock-Photo.jpg for one image. The outline of the peaks is complemented by the similar lower ridge to the right.
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Tracy White
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I live in Seattle

December 7 2017, 7:56 PM 

I look at the Olympic Mountains to the west quite regularly.
This is what they look like more in the winter / spring time with more snow:
https://kimmiellen.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/olympicmtns.jpg

This is later in the summer after things have melted off a bit:
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For what it's worth I also think the above is what we're seeing a ghostly image of above the guns of turret #4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brothers_%28Olympic_Mountains%29

If so this photo would have most likely been shot from the Seattle waterfront as it was not uncommon for Navy ships to drop anchor in Elliot Bay pre-war.

 
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Steven "Modeldad" Eisenman
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Also not painted as she would be at the time of PH.

December 7 2017, 2:18 PM 

Thanks on the dating.

 
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bobby in npt
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how was she painted at Pearl?

December 7 2017, 4:52 PM 


 
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Steven "Modeldad" Eisenman
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There is controversy, and Dana bell will hopefully have his "Colors of the Fleet" book out

December 7 2017, 5:16 PM 



    
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Tracy White
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Dana's book doesn't cover ship camouflage as much as you might think

December 7 2017, 6:58 PM 

Caveat: I read an early version about a decade ago and he's revised it a few times since then.

That said, the working title was "Marking the Fleet" and the focus was more on the evolution of ship and aircraft markings for fleet maneuvers and actions where large numbers of ships and aircraft were operating together. While that continued to happen in 1941 when camouflage was changing, the book didn't touch on the precise change of camouflage so much, especially since it's such a murky and complex subject.

I'm still trying to solve the question of Arizona's camouflage over a decade since I was originally asked to help, but the nooks and crannies that might contain more concrete information are getting fewer.

 
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