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Are you in the way to loose your bank?

March 4 2003 at 7:20 PM

zoccer  (Login zoccer)
Fixed Odds Member

 

First of all, thanks to Jhim for his patient assistance in helping me with this post. To other people that also helped, thanks too.

The work I am posting today does not bring (to most of you) too many new facts, I guess. It is, however, the result of some (many, in fact) days of hard work developing, testing and running a model in order to determine some betting criteria. These criteria, at first, were intended to guide my own betting policy but, as the work progressed, I could not resist the temptation to share this data with you. I hope some of you may become interested and take some advantage from this posting.

I decided to build up a numerical model to simulate and determine the risk of losing all the money (and have an idea on some other points as you will see below) when following a fixed stake policy. I have to confess, however, that my secret desire was (is!?) to find a mathematical reason to support a progressive staking strategy (to no success up to now, however).

Basis of the work were:

  1. Flat stakes during the simulation, meaning that the number of units staked per bet are kept constant for each simulation;

  2. Each simulation consisted of 10,000 runs of a set of 2,000 bets each run (Why 2,000? Because I assumed a serious punter should be on ca. 5-7 bets per day, as an average, making up app. 2,000 bets a year);

     

  3. Simulations were done considering two variables:

  1. stake size (1%,2%,3%,4%,5%,7%,10%,15% and 20% of the initial bank and kept constant unitwise for the simulation);

  2. strike rate (50% thru 60% with a 1% interval) in order to check how findings vary with the punter ability to predict correct results;

  3. Note: I used a constant odd of 1.90. I used this because this is an odd that can be achieved in almost any football match (asian handicap), or basketball, american football (spread betting),etc. Please note that the model can also use different odds (say e.g. 30% of 1.50, 40% of 1.70 and 30% of 1.90 odds) if we deem necessary. Results and conclusions being presented today, however, are applicable for 1.90 odds.

 

Calculated outcomes of the model for each simulation (set of 10,000 runs of 2,000 bets each run) are:

  1. Probability of losing all the money sometime during the 2,000 bets (season);

  2. Percentage of time when the punter current bank is lower than the maximum bank already achieved in the past bets ( this is an wonderful insight to give us some soul comfort when we realize that on one given day, our bank is, say, 88% of the maximum bank we had achieved in the past, during the same season). For your information, I can guarantee that most of the punters should be below the maximum achieved bank more than 95% of the time (most likely even more than 95%);

  3. Average estimated final bank (when not losing all the money);

  4. Average estimated maximum bank (sometime during the 2,000 bets) also when not losing all the money.

Main findings are:

  1. For the losing all the bank probability please check the below table;

  2. Average final bank figure, does not significantly (as expected) differ from the hand-calculator easily calculated ones;

  3. Small details (such a 1% higher strike rate) make a lot of difference. Therefore, it pays off to devote some (much?) time and effort to gather info, data, etc. on betting events. Each 0.1% you can increase in your strike rate is worth of it.

Now, take a look at the table below and tell me where you are (or should be).

I will be back with more on this subject soon.

Abraços.


 
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Jhim
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Zoccer

March 4 2003, 7:27 PM 

You didn't do the table part properly, looks like you have tried to insert it as a file using the wsyiwyg menu and you can't do that because it is on your C drive, so only you will see it. You need to do it the way I stated in the other message. I got to go fr a little bit, will read this when I get back.

 
 

Mike
(Login mick0070uk)

Re: Are you in the way to loose your bank?

March 4 2003, 8:31 PM 

Just try a simple copy and paste from the excel file itself see if that works for you

 
 

zoccer
(Login zoccer)
Fixed Odds Member

Re: Are you in the way to loose your bank?

March 4 2003, 8:56 PM 

Problem is that I can't save the Excel file as a Web page. There is not this option (Excel 97). Or I am missing anything?

 

Tks.


 
 


(Login Jhim)
Forum Owner

Maybe your right

March 4 2003, 8:59 PM 

the option may not be available in 97, I am not sure, I don't have 97 so cannot tell?


 
 


(Login Jhim)
Forum Owner

I think this may work

March 4 2003, 9:02 PM 

in a seperate explorer window, go to file and then open and browse till you find then actual excel spreadsheet, explorer will open spreadsheets, you can then copy from there.

 
 

Mike
(Login mick0070uk)

Re: Are you in the way to loose your bank?

March 4 2003, 9:06 PM 

I dont mean to keep repeating myself, but you can copy straight from the excel sheet in excel


 
 


(Login Jhim)
Forum Owner

Mike

March 4 2003, 9:24 PM 

sorry what did you say

 
 

Mike
(Login mick0070uk)

Re: Are you in the way to loose your bank?

March 4 2003, 9:29 PM 

Once i have my spread sheet open in excel i just highlight the table then edit>copy.

then paste into here, but only works on the WYSIWYG for me.

it just saves a bit of time when saving as web page, and it looks like he doesnt have that option.


 
 

Wrath
(Login Wrath07)
Fixed Odds Member

Re: Are you in the way to loose your bank?

March 4 2003, 9:33 PM 

Zoccer saving as web page means saving with the .html extension and you can do it in excel97.

Trust me, I know what I'm doing...

 
 

(Login Dogzballz)
Fixed Odds Member

Re: Are you in the way to loose your bank?

March 4 2003, 10:04 PM 

Zoccer, your doing some wonderful stuff mate. I spent all last World Cup doing the very same thing and more (using 250 bets, 2000 is a heck of a lot for one season).

I've written a book with all this staking plan analysis in it - currently being proofed by a friend. When I find a publisher, it'll be out, hopefully before the end of this year.

Can't see your table but I think I know what it will say.

Progressive staking? Did you find this to be much too risky? Personally, I think it's betting suicide, even less risky approches like the pyramid plan. Martingle is a death warrant

For the record I also tested level stakes, fixed profits and Kelly.


 
 
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