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What do you think about this topic.There are many fixed games in diferent leagues but i think that leagues with many draws are in advantage.For me in Italy ther is many fixed games.Expecially in seria b.
Here are Fixed games for tomorow from Italy(my advice is to stay away from this matchs or put small bets on it and hope that they are fixed as I said).
Perugia-Brescia draw
Modena-Empoli draw
Mesina-Venezia draw
cosenza-Catania away
I'm adding one from spain for sunday
Osasuna-Bilbao home
modena-empoli is the one that's come to my attention, a lot of books have scrapped it and WillHills go 1.72!
I think this one was known about in advance, as i've got the Corals coupon here and one of the Serie A games isn't listed (a mars bar for guessing which one!)
I must admit I have always been skeptical but when you go to betbrain and see the average odds on a draw between Perugia and Brescia is 1.93 then I woudl say this is highly suspicious. The average odds on Modena draw is even lower @ 1.73???????? Whoever heard of 1.73 and lower on a draw??
Bizarre............ but I ask the question does anyone think it is possible for Bookmakers to perpetuate rumours to get people to bet more on that result when they may know otherwise in order to drag in big losses to their pocket?? Its possible, if you can believe of corruption by clubs then why not believe in alleged corruption ignited by bookmakers
Jhim, the main things are still coming , follow last three rounds and Serie B especially.
Dontforget Torino today, Atalanta got what they needed at the end, cause Reggina were losing (this game and Parma game were obviosly OK or was it high maths?)
Plesae, follow next rounds,
Why do you think it is imposible to bet on Italy B and a lot of Italy A last rounds?
Bookies know what they are doing and it is the same for years...
results shaw that fixed games are easily coming
Modena-Empoli 1:1
Perugia-Brescia 0:0
Seria b:So far It is ok Mesina against Venezia 1:1 .First Venezia scored,but just few minutes after mesina scored.Interesting game in Genova.First ascoli mised penalty and then in next attack Genova scored.
Just to mention that Genova must win these game.
Sorry about bad information on game betwen Cosenca and Catania.Last week there was information that the First man of Cosenca board were arested for Conection with mafia.Then everyone thought that they are going to be relegated.It seems that new board is going to fight until the end.
Question for Jhim and other tipsters :do you think that there is no fixed games in England and Scotland?
You have fixed games in many other leagues not just in Italy
there are no fixed games in Scotland. Maybe some of your latin and mediteranean countries have low integrity when it comes to honesty but not in Scotland.
It is a show, especially in last two rounds, last year of 6 games I got on my ticket in round 37, 4 were wrong in 90. minute, but fortunattelly, games are played until the result is OK in Serie B last rounds, so 5 mins later everything was OK, 6/6.
And all results were 1 goal difference. Always on the right side of course, those who needed wins, got it (one exception in round 38, Ternana).
I'll look forward to your pointers in the coming weeks, macoti!
I dont know much about the italian league, but i read somewhere that the chairmen are especially powerful over there, i may be wrong but i have the impression that they basically have a say in everything from buying their own players to team selection. They can therefore influence their teams performance and, in union with another chairman, fix the result.
Interesting that the Racing Post tried to put punters off betting on the Modena-Empoli game by pointing to the fact that Torino were 1.25 the other week after rumours that their opposition wouldnt put up much of a performance but still didnt win. Thought it a bit strange that they saw similarities between the two, rumours of a fixed draw are worlds apart from rumours of a team playing understrength arent they?
You are right about Italian clubs presidents, they are all strong industrialists, and they run clubs as their dearest toys. They like to interfeer with Managers work and they certainly do some behind the scenes lobying.
But it is really unbeliavable how last two-three rounds go the predictable way.
The problem is you cant find bookies who would give you opportunity to bet on those games. There are some existing but I would not like to talk about them yet, afraid they could vanish...
Anyway, even if you wont try to get any profit out of Italys final games it is going to be interesting to follow the results and especially the way games are going to be played.
In Italy B there is very tight on both bottmon and top so interesting it should be!
Bit early still, results I wanted to see this week in Serie A did not go the way they should (OK, two draws and away win for Udinese were OK, but I thaught Parma and Reggina should win, also only a point for Atalanta, which in this case was satisfactory and Lazio, who had their oportunities but could not break Juve.
Will see, what happens next week, I will try to make some early predictions out, again.
Good luck!
And, yes, those who dont like to bet this way, dont get upset, but there must be a bit of spicy speculation in the game, otherwise it would be boring...
I mean, you cant live only on intrigueless Scotland all the time, can you?
(Im joking).
and heres me thinking all along the object of the game is too put the ball in the oppositions net more times than they put it in yours in 90 minutes, how could I have been blind for so long I never realised how boring it was
Some interesting pointers:
1st: expect teams, who make their promotion/relegation theoretically done, start losing from that moment on, never mind who they play, if that team needs a win, they will win.
2nd: when two teems both need a draw, they will play it.
3rd: expect some tricky results on games that decide nothing!! There has been trappy results in the past, for instance when a promoted team played a relegated team on home soil, they lost with some crazy results (3-4 etc), thats for mafia and bookies sake! DONT EVER PLAY BANKERS ON TEAMS WHO PLAY FOR NOTHING IN THESE STAGES OF THE SEASON!!
Bet only on teams who need wins or draws! (if you can, if you are allowed to).
These remarks are made on 20 years expirience!
Good luck, follow Italy leagues and enjoy it!
Heh heh, it is, Jhim, but for Scots, football is a game, a fair amusment.
Unfortunately, somewhere else it is everything in a lot of peoples life. It is sad, manupulative, but thats the way, some nations are thinking of football.
And because it is so, and because we know it is so, we can get a piece of that cake.
we can hope, it is going to stop one day, but I was living in that kind of mentality (or on outskirts of it) and I saw last rounds of Yugoslav championships with results like 5-5, 2-7, 5-1 etc etc and this is still going on in some countries around here, so I can understand this and as long as it exists I am going to try to make some profit of it since I cant do anything to prevent it bring so.
It would sound funny to you, but in some countries it is important that some clubs are champions forever, and on the other hand it is important, that every region gets a first division club in football even if they have no conditions for that. And these clubs are rescued year after year, politically, so that everyone is satisfied and local politicians get their votes,
These are muddy waters...
Even (or just) in Italy they are making plans of dividing 2nd division in two divisions- South and North, purely of political reasons, so that South would get more football teams playing into second and thenafter in first division. They dont care, that those areas are still poor and have no conditions for so many professionla teams.
A political decision.
You have clubs in Croatia, which are clubs-heroes, because of war times some years ago, when those towns suffered a lot. It could be understandable, but still, NK Sibenik was last several times but they never drop into division two- first league was simply made bigger and the problem was off.
But problem in ex-Yu is also in ownership- clubs are still some kind of noones ownership, so noone is responsible, when things go wrong. Clubs never have money but somehow they can still pay their players, cause presidents are political or economical leaders, they are doing money-laundering thru football clubs and when they do their bussiness, they leave clubs in depths, which are never paid. Next president comes, he is again from political/banking/industrial background so it starts anew.
There is a lot of things that cause match fixing in these altitudes, all the leading peaople are well conected so they are making deals in football as they are making them in their (often) dirty bussnisses.
And another stories: a club from Slovenia, which is one of the leading ones now, was made real monkies of themselves, cause they were caught in a money laundering afair in 1980'ties. They were thrown into 3rd division (from 2nd) and they did never recover in old state (YU).
Why?
Because they existed in a surrounding (Slovenia) which did care for things like that, so our league is bit cleaner then the other ex-Yugoslav.
But then we were the object of laugh for years, cause everyone knew, all the others were matchfixing and money laundering, but they were existing in surroundings, that took this kind of living as a normal.
And so it is hard to understand for you, Jhim, what s going on in southern latitudes. It is simply a part of corrupted life around here and a normal part of it.
After all, you have 30 rounds time to make enough points to secure your goals. It is your problem if you did not manage that, so now you need to pay or borrow points f you want to play with us in the future,
If not- go out!
Shit, am I nuts or what?!? It is three o clock in the morning!!!
I honestly believe that Scottsh leagues are 100% stright
May 4 2003, 10:07 AM
now i know that some folk will say don't be so naive...Obviously some people have said they have proof this happens until i see the proof i will reserve my judgement ..i got a phone call around 9 months ago from someone you spoke to Jhim who put some picks up on my site for a short time..he was trying to convince me that a game he knew about was fixed and i asked him how much he won his reply ..nothing...now call me cynical if you will but if i knew a game was fixed i think i would be on the team that i was told would win to big stakes and i would be lying on a beach somewhere by now.
Macoti..the Scottish take there football very seriously it is part of our lives as well take it from me i know how much it is involved with our lives...i know guys who have missed paying the rent on ther house or put off paying there bill just to pay for a ticket for a game or for there season tickets...and i imagine this goes on all over the place.
Just imagine in our local pub today there will be around 150 guys in it around 100 will be Rangers fans and around 50 will be Celtic fans and although everyone is friends before and after the game believe me when Rangers play Dundee this afternoon the all pals ct goes out of the window...i hope you understand i will be in the pub for medicinal purposes i have the cold and need the whisky to cure me..lol..i hope you don't take offence at these comments Macoti just thought i would let you know it is serious stuff over here as well.
Peter, no offence taken, and you did not understand me.
I know you take football seriously, but I wanted to point out, that you take it SPORTINg way, and was pointing exactly the same thing as you- youcant expect games to be fixed in your country (even perhaps there were some in the past, who knows) and it is the oposite to Italy B for instance. That was the point in my, well, novel.
PS- I was in a Scottish div one (that time) game in 1988, first round, Motherwell played in Edinbourgh (Hibs) and Hibs won, I think a scorer was a legendary Mickey Weir.
I felt your dedication to this sport that time, about 15.000 spectators, a typical championship game and a thing to remember...
Sorry, but I am not Italian, live 50 miles from their eastern boundaries, thou...
I am preparing my weekend thread now and I think, there are some 4-5 interesting Italian games.
Will be out in an hour.
where are you from then? Looking forward to your opinions.
Looks like Hills have left a few games out again. They are quoting the following games.
Bologna v Lazio 3.10 2.87 2.20
Brescia v A C Milan 3.25 2.62 2.30
Inter Milan v Parma 1.83 3.00 4.00
Juventus v Perugia 1.22 5.00 9.50
Piacenza v Reggina 2.10 3.00 3.20
Roma v Torino 1.20 5.50 9.00
well, it's all the dubious games from last week that havent been quoted. As jhim has said, it could be a case of bookies now deliberately cutting the odds on draws to created the impression of a fixed game.
Jhim, are you still sure about there's no fixed games in Scotland? In my opinion there's many fixed games in Germany. (also in Bundesliga 1) What do you think about it?
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