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“UNLESS YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ... IN THE BIBLE...” (by John Waddey)

January 18 2007 at 2:34 AM
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Response to “JUST WHAT ARE THE CHANGE AGENTS DOING THAT IS SO WRONG?”


-----Original Message-----
From: fortify_your_faith@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 6:45 PM
To: fortify_your_faith@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fortify_your_faith] A Lesson to Fortify Your Faith - 1/13/07


UNLESS YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE...

Dear Brethren:

Today's lesson addresses one of the tools often used by those who seek to silence all criticism of their change program. If they succeed in gagging the faithful brother they are left free to spread their new message and impose their changes on our churches. If the lesson is helpful, please pass it on to others.

John Waddey


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    UNLESS YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE...


    A battle is raging between those determined to change the church of Christ and those who support the traditional understanding of God's word that has guided us for generations. One of the tactics of the change agents is to boldly ask their critics, "Do you claim to perfectly understand every verse of the Bible and every aspect of Christianity?" The reason for this ad hominem attack against individuals is to silence those who would question, criticize and condemn the agenda of the promoters of change. Their illogical reasoning runs something like this:

    Since John doesn't know everything about every subject of the Bible, John is in no position to pass judgment on change agents' teaching that runs counter to what Churches of Christ have commonly believed and practiced. Some brethren with limited perception seem to be impressed with this specious argument.

    • First, no one has ever claimed that he perfectly understands every verse of the Bible. The question is loaded and is used by change agents to discredit their critics by implying that they claim perfect and complete knowledge, which all would recognize as arrogant and impossible. It is designed to discredit by creating prejudice against their objectors.

    • Second, it is a fallacy to say that since a person cannot claim to know and understand everything about the Bible and its teaching therefore he cannot pass judgement on some things which are clearly and easily understood. It is a hasty generalization. It's like saying that since John cannot know everything about all birds therefore he cannot be sure a redheaded woodpecker is not a water fowl. But John may have done extensive research on redheaded woodpeckers and thus can be certain in his conclusions about that particular bird.

    • Third, this approach is faulty because it proves more than its proponent is willing to concede. Since Richard does not know everything about the Bible, his logic would imply that he cannot know for certain that Jesus was born of a virgin or raised from the dead. Yet Richard insists he believes these two points. If the question proves that John cannot challenge Richard's views on worship, then it would also mean that Richard could not question the man who denies the virgin birth and resurrection of Jesus.

    • Fourth, it is self-contradictory to say that since John does not know everything about every Bible subject, therefore he is not qualified to question the possibility of error in Richard's teaching. But since Richard does not know everything about every Bible subject, Richard cannot question John's points made in opposition to his beliefs and practices.

    • Fifth, this line of reasoning is a "red-herring." A red herring is a question, denial or assertion whose purpose is to divert attention from the real issue at hand and thus escape having to deal with and answer difficult or embarrassing questions. Change agents are determined to change the faith, worship and practices of churches of Christ. Knowing full well that such presumptuous actions would not be well-received, if perceived by the average member, they seek to divert the attention of folks to other matters. Thus they can continue their malicious activities without interruption. When John questions Richard about his "new or strange" teaching, Richard responds by demanding, "John, do you claim to know and understand everything about the Bible and worship? While John pauses to deny that he much such a ridiculous claim, Richard slyly diverts the discussion to other matters. The average person might never realized what Richard has done!

    • Sixth, the conclusion that since John does not know every thing about everything in the Bible therefore he is in no position to pass judgment on the change agents is a non sequitur. This means the conclusion does not necessary follow from the premises advanced. That I cannot and do not know and understand everything about the state of the dead does not imply nor prove that I cannot therefore know what is essential for man's salvation. Little is said in the Bible about the state of the dead, but much is said about the requirements for man's salvation. On the former subject I can only offer tentative conclusions. On the latter I can cite numerous verses that prove my point.

    • Seventh, this approach is often described as building, attacking and defeating a straw man. When a controversialist cannot successfully meet and answer the arguments of his opponent, he may be tempted to paint an unreal picture of his opponent's position and then proceed to attack and destroy the false picture. In this case the change agent falsely depicts all his opponents as arrogant men who claim to know everything about the Bible. He may attempt to portray them as unlearned and ignorant men who are unqualified to discuss the matter and thus unworthy of a hearing.

    Paul warns, of vain talkers and deceivers...whose mouths must be stopped (Tit. 1:10). Let no man deceive you.

    John Waddey

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You may order four years of these lessons, in book form. Lessons to Fortify Your Faith ($7.50) and More Lessons to Fortify Your Faith ($8.00). Make your check to Church of Christ and send to John Waddey, 12630 W. Foxfire Dr. Sun City West, AZ 85375
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Christianity: Then and Now

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120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
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Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

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