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Good Try, Jasper

November 16 2011 at 6:00 PM
Ken Sublett  (Login Ken.Sublett)
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Response to Article on Liberal Snobism: Grace Centered Magazine

A review of Joe Beam belittling the OLD PATHS concept is on Grace Centered Magazine.
A Tentative review of Seek The Old Paths has been posted here in rough form.

Throughout the Prophets and Apostles SEEKING THE OLD PATHS is stated over and over and defined as teaching only the Word of Christ Who inspired the Prophets and the prophecies made more perfect by Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus as Son spoke only what He heard from God the Father who "breathed" His words which were articulated by Jesus as the personified WORD or Logos of God.

Jesus in His post-glorified state as The Holy Spirit would never speak anything Jesus in the flesh had not spoken. Paul and the others spoke ONLY what they had been taught as eye-- and ear-- witnesses. Peter left this as the MARK so that false teachers coulld be identified.

Because ekklesia or synagogue (Paul's words) was always a School (only) of the Word (only) of God nothing could happen at any time which would obsolete that message: if we accetp that message anything man adds is refuting the Word of Christ. This happens almost 100% in the concept of songs and sermons. This data is in images: I will update it so you can check the links for your self.

Thanks but no thanks: this is EXACTLY what one would expect in Grace Centered Magazine. The man cannot define EKKLESIA/SYNAGOGUE and cannot define DISCIPLE and cannot define "WORSHIP." JOE BEAM IS GRACE-CENTERED. I reviewed this article and I considered a restraining order after I received a threatening e-mail from Joe. I case is made against the ZEALOTS long before the not-to-clear discussion of the liberals: it is true that people is people.

This is the usual RACA words characterizing the:

Satisfied as "like things they've donce since the 1950

ZEALOTSthe "old paths"

If there as anything worse than false charges against godly people (the majority) it is studing to make oneself into an ANGEL OF LIGHT because "we are the good guys." In fact neither "wing" of the bird knows too much about the text--especially the Prophets and Apostles who recorded the prophecies made more certain as THAT UPON WHICH the church is built up or educated. THEY can do nothing to make even a tomato grow other than to plant and water.

This is a very slick but hostile attack by making their DOCTRINE based on culture but too ignorant to know the difference. It is a falsehood to say that the historic Church of Christ is EXCLUSIVE. 100% of the people can attend and NOT be molested by slinky praise singers. Most of the churches of Christ are EXCLUDED just by imposing the LEGALISM of "musical worship teams." Just to say it is blasphemy.

All of the INCLUSIVE churches EXCLUDE anyone who dares to question them.

The GRACE word God replaced is the basis of Charismatic Music: perverse and perverting:

Grace centered promoting music is defacto PERVERSE and DEMON WORSHIP. That is THE meaning of the pagan THESIS defining the Graces (muses):

Charis, outward grace or favour 4. love-charm, philtre, V.daimonôn charis: homage due to them, their worship, majesty
2. esp. in erotic sense, of favours granted [especially to another male]
charites aphrodisiôn erôtôn, Aphroditêsechôn E.Ba.236

Aphrodisios [From Aphroditê] [Venus, Or ZOE or Lucifer]
I. belonging to Aphrodite, Plat.
II. Aphrodisia, ta, sexual pleasures, [all music]
2. a festival of Aphrodite,
III. Aphrodision, ou, to, the temple of Aphrodite,
IV. gratification, delight, tinos in or from a thing, sumposiou Pi. O.7.5

The ANTITHESIS is that Jesus came as true grace as a SON and not a daughter. Grace never permmits doing something presuming on God's goodness to permit it. The GRACE of modern religious institutes usually denies the role of Baptism (GCMF) again presuming on God's goodness.

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# If Christ in prophesy and Jesus in persom makes obedience in baptism the MARK of those who are not APISTOS (believeth nots).
# And the Grace people deny that baptism is required obedience.
# Then Christ defines that as blasphemy against The Holy Spirit of Christ

The SHRINKING church is a lie compared to the rest of modern religionism. However, for the few losses including GCM here is a post-Affliction confession--they always confess.

Rick Atchley: The era of the progressive Church of Christ is over.

Back in the 80s you could go to any major city, especially in the South, and you could find a progressive Church of Christ and if they would preach grace, and if they would put words on a screen, and if they would let divorced people place membership, they would grow.

The generation of Boomers has enough denominational loyalty that theyre going to find the least legalistic

Well, we discipled the children of those progressive churches
for a whole generation to grow past us Boomers.
They never heard the sermons we heard.
They never heard the rationale for a cappella music.

We sent them to youth rallies and Church of Christ events
with some of the finest Christian bands in the world.
We discipled our children to leave our Movement!

This delusion, when detected, makes many people flee from "religionism" in any form.
Another reason for the "shrinking" numbers is that the "counters" confessed that they reported boated figures from "pracher counts." Just honest counting does not constitute SHRINKING.

The Church Growth Cult is prophesied.

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