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  • Jesus Proposal: Scholars failed!
    • Kenneth Sublett (no login)
      Posted Mar 9, 2004 11:58 AM

      Shelly and York want us to abandon our personal right to read the Bible for ourselve and put INTERPRETATION into the hands of SCHOLARS. But we cannot trust scholarship when it says that the Bible existed only in ORAL form prior to Gutenberg. But, there was TYPE long before there was movable type. So, scholarship flunks out. They also blame all division on the LAITY's access to the Bible. But, we know that ALL division flowed out of pseudo scholarship where "scholars" were made so by people who know nothing.
        Rubel Shelly and John York: Just as identity in Christ is always COMMUNITY identity, our reading of Scripture becomes a COMMUNITY READING as well. , While we still have access to reading as individuals, we stop asking, "What does this mean to me?"--as though there is such an isolated meaning. Instead we have a GROUP MENTALITY that asks, "What does this mean to US?" More importantly, we lay aside INDIVIDUAL interpretations precisely because they are inevitably argumentative and divisive. We GIVE UP the right of individual interpretation and take on the accountability of SHARED READING. This is not a pooling of collective ignorance. The Bible is full of stories from ancient and often quite alien cultural settings and belief systems, and we cannot ignore those differences. So we listen to the voices of scholarship just as we listen to the child who intuitively hears what God is saying in a particular story.

      The Gutenberg bible was completed in about 1455. But, "priests" were actually evangelists going out into all the world to teach. Schools were set up and the mass of church literature was well known. When there is no printing press individuals swarmed around the Scriptoriums to purchase parts of the Bible or even hand copy the.

      However, Shelly and York see the divisive evil created when the "common people" were able to buy cheap copies. Versions were produced so that "even the plowman" could read and understand the Bible.

      Chrysostom:
      b. AD 347, Antioch, Syria
      d. Sept. 14, 407, Comana, Helenopontus;


      http://www.piney.com/FatChrysHomIXCol.html
        Tarry not, I entreat, for another to teach thee; thou hast the oracles of God. No man teacheth thee as they; for he indeed oft grudgeth much for vainglory's sake and envy. Hearken,

        I entreat you, all ye that are careful for this life, and PROCURE BOOKS that will be medicines for the soul. If ye will not any other, yet get you at least the New Testament, the Apostolic Epistles, the Acts, the Gospels, for your constant teachers.

      Christ the Living Word (fully God) as the Spirit of Christ made sure that the Bible was preserved. They are the SOLE teaching resources. Peter and Paul made sure that we understand that we must "teach the Word as it has been taught" because this is the only way to MARK false teachers. We noted that Peter outlawed "exegesis" and the Greek world would outlaw "hermeneutics." Only when left alone are they Christ's way of defining THE CHRISTIAN SYSTEM. Anyone who wants to tamper for pay is a false teacher by all standards.
        If grief befall thee, dive into them as into a chest of medicines; take thence comfort of thy trouble, be it loss, or death, or bereavement of relations; or rather dive not into them merely, but take them wholly to thee; keep them in thy mind.

        This is the cause of all evils, the NOT knowing the Scriptures. We go into battle without arms, and how ought we to come off safe? Well contented should we be if we can be safe with them, let alone without them. Throw not the whole upon us! Sheep ye are, still not without reason, but rational; Paul committeth much to you also.

        They that are under instruction, are not for ever learning; for then they are not taught. If thou art for ever learning, thou wilt never learn. Do not so come as meaning to be always learning; (for so thou wilt never know;) but so as to finish learning, and to teach others.

        In the arts do not all persons continue for set times, in the sciences, and in a word, in all the arts? Thus we all fix definitely a certain known time; but if ye are ever learning, it is a certain proof that ye have learned nothing.


      William Tyndale, (1490-1536) in his desire to get the Bible into the hands of the plowboy, defied the Church, and translated the Scriptures into the common tongue. Tyndale acted as an INDIVIDUAL before God--responsible to Him--personally sensitive to His Word. Though unauthorized by humans, much of his work laid the basis for the later humanly authorized King James Version.

      Martin Luther, in his stand against false teachings refused to be persuaded by Pope, human counsel or creed. Rather, he insisted that he would be convinced only by the Sacred Scriptures. Luther acted as an individual at odds with the prevailing--and really then, the only--Christian religious system of his day.

      The apostle John wrote:

      "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life--the life was made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was made manifest to us--that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you may have fellowship with us; and our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. And we are writing this that our joy may be complete." (1 John 1:1-4; Revised Standard Version)

      The GROUP MENTALITY has much in common with witchcraft. Be sure to read the Faith-Centered writer to prove that the OCCULT has taken over.

      http://www.piney.com/FPRSpectacle.html

      Ken Sublett
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