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  • Re: The Jesus Proposal: Shelly and York
    • Kenneth Sublett (no login)
      Posted Mar 17, 2004 2:08 PM

      John York and Rubel Shelly believe that our minds have EVOLVED and we cannot read the OLDEN Bible texts at ANY level. However, they grant that the first COMMUNITY "worked out their SCRIPTURE" by partnering with God. Since we have evolved and our culture has changed WE must now "partner" with God and work out a new Narrative or story line with US rather than Moses or Jesus being the heros.

      http://www.piney.com/Shelly-York-Narrative.html
        Empedocles His consequence in the State became at length so great that he ventured to assume several of the distinctions of royalty, particularly a purple robe, a golden girdle, a Delphic crown, and a train of attendants. The skill which he possessed in medicine and natural philosophy enabled him to perform many wonders, which he passed upon the superstitious and credulous multitude for miracles.

        He pretended to drive away noxious winds from his country and thereby put a stop to epidemic diseases. [Get it? Navigating the Winds of Change?]

        He is said to have checked, by the power of music, the madness of a young man who was threatening his enemy with instant death;

        to have restored a woman to life who had lain breathless thirty days; and to have done many other things, equally astonishing, after the manner of Pythagoras. On account of all this he was an object of universal admiration. Besides medical skill Empedocles possessed poetical talents.

        Rubel Shelly and John York: Just as identity in Christ is always COMMUNITY identity,
        our reading of Scripture becomes a COMMUNITY READING as well.
        While we still have access to reading as individuals,
        we stop asking, "What does this mean to me?"--as though there is such an isolated meaning. Instead we have a GROUP MENTALITY that asks, "What does this mean to US?"

      "'The League of Nations', said the Archbishop of Canterbury, at Geneva, 'may go far to make the Kingdom of God a reality in our lifetime'... 'The League of Nations', says Dr. Jowett, has for its aim 'the transformation of the kingdom of this world into the Kingdom of GodÂ…'" (1)
        At the heart of this new "group-think" mentality were well-funded occult and illuminist organizations such as the Theosophical Society, Lucis Trust, and the Fabian Society, who ultimately promoted the concepts of Socialism into mainstream thought. In 1925, the Scopes Trial added the element of Darwinism into public consciousness, and the concept of "species survival" augmented the 19th Century notion of "Social Darwinism".

        These philosophies, when blended into the attitudes and values of the masses of humanity, diminish the importance of the individual and elevate the virtues of the group.

        Biblically, this flies in the face of the doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, God's love and concern for the individual, and ultimately individual salvation.

        At the same time, a group-think mentality promotes the false concepts of the "brotherhood of man", ecclesiastical unity, political globalism, and the sacrifice of individuals in order to insure "species survival" -even to the extent of mass genocide to eliminate the "feeble-minded" and other undesirable elements of society that may ultimately prove to be a threat to the species as a whole. 1. "Modernist Millennium", Perilous Times Newsletter, Vol. 2 #16
      The THOUGHT process of the NEW AGE RELIGION inherited from hell is that they are in a WAR against the OLD and ROTTEN theology based on the Bible. The Shepherding of PK and adopted by once-churches of Christ speak in terms of WARRIORS and WARFARE. Don't believe that those who would eject the old grey hairs will do you bodily harm if the threat is raised high enough.

      They see themselves as warriors handing our rewards and killing off the unfit. Those who would steal the church house of widows will do anything because they are convinced that madness is inspiration.

      One priest at Jubilee 2000 was told by the virgin of Guadalupe that Jesus was going to return and KILL all of the pagans and Masons. Those who defend the non-instrumental music cause have been called worse and many peacable churches have been deliberately discorded to take over their property.

      Ken
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