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      Posted Oct 11, 2004 1:40 PM

      For most of church history there was never any concept that the "holy spirit" was a PERSON separated from the Godhead. Even trinitarians explain God as Father (thought), Son (Word) and Spirit (breath or the interchange of truth from the UNKNOWABLE Spirit world to us).

      Jesus speaking as the SON or WORD set up a relationship with the FATHER. As God Incarnate the man Jesus contained FULL DEITY: He said that both the Father and Spirit were within Him. In John 6:63 He discounted the FLESH body and said "My WORDS are spirit and life."

      As "Son" or word He spoke only what He heard from the Father within. He defined the clergy as sons of the Devil because "they speak on their own."

      The concept of MEASURES of spirit I think means this as John wrote:

      Jn 3:31 He that COMETH from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is ABOVE all

      Jn 3:32 And what he hath SEEN and HEARD, that he TESTIFIETH; and no man receiveth his testimony.
        John 1: He was WITH God because He WAS God. He is Beginning and Ending but not two people. He is Alpha and Omega meaning that His Godhead is continuous even though vested in the body.

        When the Christ "laid aside" His majesty and glory HE personally came to dwell "in a body prepared for me." This is why the FATHER sent the SON or the THOUGHT OR MIND sent His Word.

        In Isaial 11 the SPIRIT which will rest on the BRANCH is like seven spirits or LIGHTS which rest on the candlestick as Menorah in the Holy Place. ALL of these "spirits" relate to forms of DIVINE KNOWLEDGE. That is why Jesus died to build a SCHOOL and not a pagan worship center.

        This is why Paul and others MINISTER THE SPIRIT by preaching. That body of Divine Intellegence is called SPIRIT just as the stuff or disposition of our MIND is SPIRIT but not a little person

        This was the heritage of the Campbell Restoration Movement derived from the RESTORATION MOVEMENT begun by John Calvin. Only in my lifetime has anyone dared to call God THREE PERSONS meaning three PEOPLE. There is no misreading of men like Rubel Shelly who sees this Family of Gods actually holding a conference
      Jn 3:33 He that hath received his TESTIMONY hath set to his seal that God is true.
        And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Rev 19:10
      The Invisible Deity is imaged forth as Father, Son and Spirit. This defines the transfer of information from Father to Son. That information is SPIRIT. "Son" means the "protector and promoter of the Father's Name."

      Jn.3:34 For he whom God hath sent
      speaketh the WORDS of God:
      for God GIVETH NOT the SPIRIT by MEASURE unto him.


      In Romans 15 Paul commands "that which is written" as the only way to glorify God. In Ephesians 5 it is SPIRIT and in Colossians the "singing" is the WORD OF CHRIST. Singing silly love songs to God has NO CONNECTION TO THE SPIRIT of God and in fact says "we are NOT OF God."

      I don't know how to say it any clearer: the WORDS which the Son Spoke were the Words of the GOD. Therefore, these spirit words are exhaustive as far as we can know God through words:

      Jn 3:35 The FATHER loveth the SON, and hath given ALL THINGS into his hand.

      Jesus said that THE WORDS which He spoke will judge us. God WASHES us by WATER and the WORD. When we RECEIVE the Words of Christ as Spirit and Life we WILL NOT HESITATE to request baptism. That is the time and place where we REQUEST a good conscience or consiousness or A holy spirit. When our bodies are WASHED God sprinkles our HEART or SPIRIT with His own blood. I wonder if anti-baptismal people are not mortally afraid of the BLOOD of Christ?

      Jn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

      As Donnie has pointed out, the term BELIEVER or BELIEVETH is always retrospective. Of those baptized for the remission of sins it is said that THE BELIEVERS had all things in common.

      Historical scholars have always been aware that what we substitute as MUSICAL SINGING was commanded by God through Paul to be SPEAKING the inspired Bible text. The purpose was not PLEASURING but of TEACHING and ADMONISHING one another. When the Jews lifted up their hands it was lifting up the WORD of God: when they READ it as Paul commands they were RECEIVING the Words of God because we are NOW IN the Son just as surely as if God was speaking to us. Jesus said he would be there when we "come learn of me." When people speak SERMONIC STUFF it is God making fun of the and sending them STRONG DELUSIONS because they tell God in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS: "I cannot receive that of Spirit to spirit or worship in the new PLACE of my own spirit in my own closet."

      I cannot put into words the revulsion I have alway felt to some extent when I read SERMONS or think about SANGING by those who claim that THEIR words are more important than the Words of Christ which ARE Spirit and Life. I simply DO NOT GO THERE ANYMORE because the pain is beyond endurance. For the musical legalists THERE IS NO LAW OF GIVING so quit letting them FLEECE you and then "craunching your bones."

      Here is one thing I did which shows that SPIRIT and MIND and HEART are identical. Paul equated the Holy Spirit to the Mind of Christ.

      http://www.piney.com/HsMindSp.html

      Sorry about the color but I thin this is the best way to hammer into heads that SPIRIT is never a person unless it is speaking of God Who is Holy or Wholly Spirit without body parts. The next is a series on Romans. The following is the one I have colorized to drive you as crazy as listening to a pompous sermon.

      http://www.piney.com/HsRom6.html

      This has to do with SEARCHING THE HEART. It will direct you to some other look at the Holy Spirit in Romans.

      Ken
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