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  • Re: What a waste of energy. (December 6 2004, 2:22 PM)
    • Donnie Cruz (no login)
      Posted Dec 8, 2004 3:24 AM

      Re: What a waste of energy. (December 6 2004, 2:22 PM)

      To B,

      Here’s the question back to you: Was it a waste of energy on your part after reading the original post? Just wondering ... unless you were concentrating only on a segment(s) that you wanted to bring up for debate or discussion?

      You said, “… you can still sing 4 part harmony if the songs are projected.” My own observation (and probably of others as well) is that what’s displayed on the holy, big white screen without the music notations is a set of confusing directions for the different parts and their corresponding lines of words. It is really confusing when there are intervening strings of o-o-o-o’s and segmented hal-la-la-la-la-la-la-le-le-le-lujahs.

      In contrast, the treble and bass clefs in the hymnbook or “paperless hymnal” clearly designate the individual parts, the measures, the words or syllables and their corresponding notes in each measure, etc. With the aid of the hymnal, the congregation does not have to rely on the Praise Team and “ECHO BACK” what it has to HEAR first. The congregation does not have to experience the P.T.D. (Praise Team Dependency) syndrome. And speaking of the P.T.D. syndrome, in reality, it makes the “Worship Leader” proud of his Praise Team’s excellent delivery and performance in times of musical complexities!!! (The musicians’ point of view is that the Lord must really listen to the quality of music … rather than to the worshipper’s heart.)

      In this church’s “contemporary worship” assembly, the only time that Mr. Lancaster announces to use the hymnbook is when there is a hymn that is quite unfamiliar to the congregants. It appears, then, that the hymnbooks are still being used, although … although … occasionally … only. (I believe that if hymnbooks are used that infrequently, they might as well be contributed to smaller congregations that are in need of them.) Now, as recently as this past Sunday, he said: “Let’s open our hymnbooks to number 666 [what a coincidence!] and sing the song ‘The Spacious Firmament on High’ as we normally do [implied “contemporary songs”] with vigor [?] …” Of course, the Praise Team delivered and performed beautifully!!! Hmmm!

      In the scenario above, suddenly, the projector was incapable of doing the job it was “intended” to do! It’s something to think about, isn’t it? Having to resort to the hymnbook after all? One question is, why bother to use the hymnbook when the specially talented Praise Team is very capable of “delivering and performing” for the congregation, anyway, as it normally does? (Anyone can “enjoy” listening to the Praise Team sing all day long. Just note that there is a difference between “participating” and “listening to enjoy.” )

      B, I think you missed out a lot, if you didn’t pay attention to the rest of the original post. So, if you would reconsider the second verse as follows:
        O tell of His love, but don’t mention sin.
        We cannot offend, or crowds won’t come in.
        Forgetting His wrath, and His anger don’t sing.
        We’re gracious and kind, and non-threatening.

      That verse should explain why changes become scriptural or non-scriptural issues when they result in altering God’s message and purpose and when they create conflict.

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