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  • Re: I appreciate the Paperless Hymnal (Luci, December 7 2004, 2:27 PM)
    • Luci (no login)
      Posted Dec 9, 2004 4:28 PM

      Thanks for responding.

      Quoting you: "My point is that the chances are greater that one would find from the hymnbook many more hymns that teach and admonish and are scripture-based than from a compilation of singy-clappy praise and celebration songs of the contemporary culture."

      Perhaps. However, this is no reason to disregard the entire lot of "younger" songs. Many of these are scripturally based as well, just expressed in obviously different vernacular than "How Great Thou Art" (which I love). The words to any song are rendered as worship, praise, etc. by the attitude of the heart with which they are expressed, and while I am moved by the theology and beauty of many older hymns there is no shame in enjoying "The Greatest Command" or "There's a Stirring" as well. Once again, the songs are not what are "good" or "right" - it is their object that is to be our focus, and there is much to say/meditate on/learn and celebrate of Him. In keeping with the teaching of Romans we should have no problem submitting to the wishes of one another and having both old and new songs sung in our assembly, with no one demanding that either be singularly sung.

      Quoting you: "When hymns are projected on the screen civilly, there would be no need for the Praise Team “to assist” each Christian in his/her worship to the Father in heaven. Actually, the Praise Team does not have any business performing to Christians or doing the worshipping for Christians."

      I'm sure it's been said before, but if the eldership of a family recognize a need and have decided that the talents of some of it's singers would be well used to assist others in learning/singing parts (because, as you know, many cannot read music), then according to scripture the family should accept their choice on this and any other disputable matter and submit to their leadership. As for your last line... you seem to assume sinful pride on the part of these saved people. It is most definitly our business to share our gifts with one another for the purpose of edification and encouragement whenever possible. And I have never heard of a praise team claiming to "worship for" anyone...who is claiming to do this impossibility?

      Quoting you: (You said something about how you “find it refreshing to be encouraged to look up….” Personally, I find the “Worship Leader,” his or her “Praise Team,” and the holy big screen distracting—all of them.)

      There are certain types of things/attitudes I find distracting as well. We can both, fortunately, keep relative peace by remembering that we come together to worship as a family, not to have a singularly comfortable personal experience. Not to say that we DON'T have a personal experience of worship, but the objective of corporate worship isn't the comfort level of individuals but the neverending pursuit of authentic (engaged) worship and fellowship as a local body of Christ. Just as my earthly family is likely to have ongoing friction as personalities/expectations/desires conflict from time to time, such is the family of God. Peace may be found in submitting to one another, placing each other above ourselves, and continuing to humble ourselves as we ask that whatever is done be the Lord's best for His church, not just me. I really struggle with this...I'm saddened when I think of how many times I let a critical spirit quench my openness to hear/participate in/be affected by the service.
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