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  • Wes Crawford
    • Jimmy Wren (no login)
      Posted May 18, 2005 10:20 PM

      Ken S. in his March 13 post wrote: "Denying individuals the right to INTERPRET Scripture and SPEAK it "outside of the commune" is truly a dangerous movement afoot. This is slipping in while we are still just waking up to the earlier false teachings."

      Jimmy writes: Ken I cannot believe the influence of this, i.e., denying individuals the right to INTERPRET Scripture, is spreading through the ranks of the PROFESSORS of higher learning and into churches that wish to be the CENTER of the community; that wish to be seen of all men; that love the praise of all men; and that wishes to be liked by all men; and that has become a man made; man controlled religion.

      One would think that an educated person would need to be convinced from evidences contained in the written Word of God in order to ascribe to this view.

      But York, shelly, and Wes are lock step in this thought as are some others that I have looked at.

      I was reading the Broadway Church of Christ, Lubbock, TX, web page yesterday and came across a lot of recorded sermons there. I begin listening to one of Wes.

      Wes began the sermon with a long lead in about a poor divorced woman who came to Woodmont to place membership. (A side note: Divorced and singles are the churches' perferred to the widows and orphans.) He said at the last place she had tried to place membership, she was told that they did not want her! Wes said that the lady called the preacher one night and ask him what he thought about her joining his church. She said that after she hung up the phone that three elder came to her house thirty minutes later to tell her that she was not wanted!

      Can you believe that! In Nashville you can get three elders together in thirty minutes! But not only get them together, but get them to the home of a lady who is not even a member! How did the elders even know where the lady lived?

      Wes did a bad misrepresentation of elders. I think he told a "fishie" story.

      After Wes tells this story he says "What do we do?" Of course his question was rhetorical. And then he says let's pray! After Wes gets through praying, he says, don't use your Bible, leave them, just ask yourself the question What would Jesus do?"

      I know that the Bible teaches us to have "..this mind in you.." But we cannot approach all situations by asking the question "What would Jesus do?"

      When your child needs to be punished, maybe with a spanking, do you first ask yourself "What would Jesus do?"

      When the offering plate is passed do you ask yourself "What would Jesus do?"

      When it is time to go fishing, do you ask yourself, "What would Jesus do?"

      When tempted with sin, do you ask yourself "What would Jesus do?"

      When the preacher preaches something that is not in scripture, do you ask the question "What would Jesus do?"

      Does one not realize that when one ask the question "What would Jesus do" one is only asking himself for approval of what one is about to do! The ones who use this approach to Christian living are living a self approved religion! If you ask yourself that question, only you, yourself, can give the answer!

      We cannot, must not, trust ourselves!

      I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. (Jeremiah 10:23)

      All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

      Wes and Rubel and et al should bring glory and honor to God and themselves by teaching only that which is written.

      What would Jesus do? What Wes and Rubel and et al are saying is that they know the mind of God and therfore they speak for God!

      In Christian Love,


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