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    • Ken Sublett (no login)
      Posted May 21, 2005 1:08 PM

      Rubel, who does NOT believe that the Bible is useful for faith and practice BEYOND seven facts ABOUT Jesus, intends to destroy Bible-based churches which his Christian Church friends call SECTS. Rubel and John etal are in a new PARTNERSHIP with God like the first believers "Worked out their SCRIPTURES with fear and trembling." NO LONGER means that pre-Rubel and the Book Circle of self-annointed apostles and prophets the Bible USED to be the source of faith and practice. "But, WE, gotta new set of glasses and we get visions and hear words."
        Rubel Shelly and John York: [p. 114] Our proposal to focus on Jesus means that Scripture is NO LONGER a set of proof-texts or a collection of facts or God's rulebook for human behavior. Scripture is the unfolding story of God acting both to create and to re-create. It is not an easy book to understand.
          It was NEVER intended as a document to [p. 115] be INDIVIDUALLY read and interpreted--a sort~of correspondence course in salvation.
      But, that is exactly what the OLD BIBLE claims for itself from beginning to the end.
        For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, 2Co.1:13

        as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus. 2 Cor 1:14

      But, you whine: "That is from the Epistles of The Apostles and NOT from the Apostates of the Profits." YOU don't have AUTHORITY to do that. Why, Layton will threaten you witl a LAWSUIT. YOU have to grasp that Rubel and John and Wes and ALL the band have given THEMSELVES the right to TAKE LIBERTIES and write THEMSELVES In as Moses or Christ. What they MEAN is that if THEY had partnered with God THEY would not have included what everyone admits is STILL there in black ink on white paper.

      In a box on page 114 Rubel "quotes?"
        As we go to the cradle only in order to find the baby, so we go to the Scriptures only to find Christ. Martin Luther.
      Of course, you cannot be a Phd and ever have let your sponsor catch you reading ORIGINAL LUTHER. Of course, if YOU gonna get your still-bleeding sheep skin then YOU gonna quote from MY book which I quote from from YOUR book which YOU quote from MAX who--low and behold FICTIONALIZES FACTS.

      Rubel thinks that to KNOW ONLY CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED means to PREACH only Jesus and Him crucified. That is the FALSE DOGMA which underlies the most destructive heresy--counting numbers--in church history. What Paul said that he would LIVE LIKE JESUS CHRIST Who--even as God--abandoned Himself to let mankind SLAUGHTER Him along with the MOCKING music as the ONLY way to draw people to the SACRIFICIAL LIFE.

      The JUST JESUS is JUST a lie to live like AGRIPPA with his own musical Seeker Center. He, too, was consumed with maggots while he lived.

      But, we are not a PROFIT so we goona risk threats from Layton and we gonna quote you some of the OLDEN stuff before it got SHOT AWAY with postmodern eyeballs:


      A sermon by Martin Luther from his Wartburg Church Postil, 1521-1522

      Now, Rubel and John and Wes are just JOKING. Ha, Ha! WE gonna write YOU into poverty and write US into living on the BACKS of widows and orphans because WE figured out that YOU will not know when we are lying or dying.

      25. But what IS IT to find Christ in such POVERTY, and what his swaddling clothes and manger signify, are explained in the previous Gospel;
        that his poverty teaches how we should find him in our neighbors, the lowliest and the most needy; and his swaddling clothes are the holy Scriptures; that in actual life we should incline to the needy;

        and in our studies and contemplative life ONLY to the Scriptures;

        in order that Christ alone may become the man of both lives and that he may everywhere stand before us.

        We should shun the books of Aristotle, of the pope, and of ALL MEN, or read them in a way that we do not seek the edification of the soul in them; but with them make use of the time and this life, as one teaches a trade or civil law.

        However it is not in vain that St. Luke places Mary before Joseph, and both of them before the child and says: "And they found both Mary and Joseph, and the babe lying in the manger."
      In Martin Luther's words, just as a mother goes to the cradle only to find the baby, we go to the Bible only to find Christ.

      But, Rubel quotes but does not tell you the REST OF THE STORY. So, Layton, I gonna STEAL some more words from the OLDEN LUTHER. Ok?

      It is the Bible's primary purpose to bring men to their Savior by arousing the beginnings of faith.

      But this is not the only practical function it aims to fulfil.
      Peter and the author of the letter to the Hebrews use the analogy of birth and growth to illustrate a further purpose of Scripture. Those who have put their trust in Jesus as Saviour 'have been born anew… through the living and abiding word of God' : but, like all new-born babes, they must ' long for the pure spiritual milk' of the word if they are to survive and grow; and once beyond babyhood they need solid food - which is the meat of God's word.( 1Peter1 :23/1 Peter 2:2/Hebrews5 :12 -14).

      This growth process is above all, a growing up in relationship with God.
        It is the Bible's function to FEED the personal knowledge of the Father which the Christian child enjoys.

        And enjoy is exactly the right word, because as the believer learns more about of his delight becomes more intense.

        That is why Bible study should never be dull for a Christian. 'Your words' cries out Jeremiah , ' became to me a joy and the delight of my heart; for I am called by your name, O, Lord, God of hosts. '

        Any personal relationship is fostered by words, and through the pages of the Bible the Christian hears God speaking to him; an experience, says the Psalmist, that is 'sweeter than honey' .
      Martin who invented SOLA SCRIPTURA says that "faith alone comes from the BIBLE ALONG and because the Bible teaches BAPTISM our salvation is by Baptism Alone" because He says, Christ put the power in the WATER. Furthermore, we know that God put His Full Deity in a man made up mostly of Water. If God cannot put the power in HIS WORDS and in baptism they YOU HAVE DENIED that Christ came fully in the flesh.

      What about them cow chips, Layton?

      More to follow, Ken
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