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  • What more can I say?
    • Donnie Cruz (no login)
      Posted Jun 19, 2005 10:43 PM


      I’m afraid I’ll have to say that you HAVE CONTINUED to make accusations against the particular church that you resent and are obviously “angry” with [OK, I’m not using the word “hate” per your advice]. Continue to bash? Yes. Why? I believe I counted 14 times that you specifically mentioned “COC”—and that’s not even counting your other types of references to this church you are “angry” toward. You also continue to make a declarative statement that the things you have enumerated happen “in the COC” with no implication whatsoever that they are circumstances that occur in hundreds of religious faiths in the world. Therefore, if you should insist that for these reasons people are leaving this church, I must emphasize to you that this statement is an illogical argument when you make it an isolated set of circumstances that occur in churches of Christ without further qualification that it also happens everywhere else.

      My point is that with all things being equal, meaning that since all religious faiths are affected by these HUMAN inclinations and preponderance, the bottom line is that it all comes down to differences in doctrinal issues, preferences, acceptable changes to one church or congregation that may not be acceptable to another. Simply, e.g., it is illogical for one to say that he is leaving religious faith #A due to the immoral behavior by one or two of its members for religious faith #B because all its members are saints.

      Believe me … I have listened to you because I don’t normally respond to anonymous posters who are emboldened to make accusations because responses to such accusations are usually deemed as being judgmental. At the outset I mentioned that “I feel your pain.” Remember?

      No, I’m sorry, but I do not intend to cease from discussing doctrinal issues. These are the important issues that change agents have used as tools so that as they cause division in the church, the ones who are swayed to their cause ultimately become part of their acquisition attempts.

      Your example about someone who offered unconditional love is a little too late for discussion. Your example of children committing suicide, regardless of how true and unfortunate, is one more of your attempts to disregard one intent of this thread—to evaluate as to what different churches really believe that are right to some and wrong to others … that cause some to leave and others to remain.

      There’s probably nothing more I can say to further our conversation. Either I will end up repeating myself (and I think I’ve already done that) OR you will keep adding more (which you have continued to do so) of your grievances toward the church you despise.

      By the way, you forgot to mention the name of the religious faith of your preference. You don’t need to mention where … just the name of your religious organization. You obviously are very proud of this “better” church than the one you are so angry toward.

      Thanks for posting!!! (I mean that very sincerely.)

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