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  • Re: Now, the background, to the MARK of the Beasties.
    • PPB (no login)
      Posted Mar 1, 2006 9:32 PM


      By the way, your comment about tracks the other day really bothered me. Who learns from a track? Is that what these "enlightened" churches are now doing? Do you guys study books instead of the actual Bible?

      Please be careful about throwing around your "biblical training" on this site. You are only one of many who have studied theology at college, so we aren't impressed. In fact, I have to admit that I am horrified at the lack of basic biblical understanding I see in the younger college grads. It's so sad to see that they can't interpret the bible by themselves and must rely on their professors' opinions. Do they not teach Greek and Hebrew anymore? Is it just one or two classes? What has changed?

      Let's keep this simple for those that aren't comfortable with all the ins and outs of understanding a foreign language...

      "Because strait is the gate" -
      - strait (stenos, adj)- desciption meaning narrow, small
      gate (pule)noun,fem - an entrance or opening to a city or palace, metaphorically relates to entry into heaven.
      - because (hoti) demonstrative conjunction - the joining of two verbs or sayings (strait is the gate & narrow is the way)

      "and narrow is the way," -
      - Narrow (thlibo) - condensed, squeezed, compressed, thin ....
      - Way (hodos) - literally means path, metaphorically means behavior/conduct

      "which leadeth unto life" -
      - leadeth (apago) - as a verb it means to lead away to a certain end
      - life (zoe) - absolute fullness of life - to last forever
      metaphorically means an everlasting state of being with God

      "and few there be that find it" -
      - few (oligos, adj) meaning few, little, small number
      - and (kai, conj) cumulative events, 1 + 1 = 2
      - find (heurisko, v) present/active - to find, discover, seek, etc. As an active verb, it clearly indicates one must take action.
      - it (autos) - pronoun, demonstrative - relating back to the word life.


      Let's give this an intellectual review and not an OPINION. Take away your preconceived notions and read the sentence as it was written. Read it in its simple version without relying on someone else's interpretation:

        BECAUSE narrow is the entry and thin is the path which leads to everlasting life with God
        AND only a small number there are that will seek and discover that everlasting life.


      Did I miss something here? I don't see anything here that tells me that lot's of people will find everlasting life or fullness of life. No one's arguing that God doesn't want everyone to make it, of course he does and he says so. But he also states that he knows it isn't going to happen. He already knows what will be.

      Do you remember how he destroyed entire cities? The flood? How many survived that onslaught? Many? No...8. 8 People!!! God hasn't changed in his demand to be obeyed - only how we obey him has changed (Old Law vs. Christ's death). He warned us that even though he love us, he is also a vengeful and jealous God. It amazes me how people seem to forget this side of God and only see him as one-dimensional. He is both! Loving and forgiving to those that obey his commands, vengeful to those that do not. I do not lessen his power and authority as your interpretation tries to do.

      Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord

      Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
      Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
      Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

      Mat 7:21 NOT EVERY ONE that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, SHALL ENTER into the kingdom of HEAVEN; but he that DOETH THE WILL of my Father which is in heaven.
      Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
      Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, ye that work iniquity.

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