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  • Re: And the gate is...
    • PPB (no login)
      Posted Mar 4, 2006 4:29 PM

      Again Allen, you jump to conclusions and do so in a very unChristian manner.

      Unlike your assumption above, I do not think I am special or better than others. I am humbled that God would even take a second of his time to think of me. I am humbled that my prayers to God have opened my eyes to his Word, the path to salvation. I am thankful and grateful that he heard my pleas and believed I was sincere in my search. I am so glad, that I now must show others his Word and his COMMANDS so that they may search and find the path. My wish is for everyone to go to Heaven. He is so powerful that I have FAITH that the Bible was written for ALL generations to hear and believe in. That his word hasn't weakened over the centuries nor has his vengeance on those who do NOT follow his complete and holy Word.

      He has given all of us a way to live with him in eternity if we follow his Word. Failing to follow his ENTIRE word does mean that I will not be with him in eternity. My only fear is when I knowingly fail to obey him. As long as I am continually growing in knowledge of Him and his Word, teaching HIS CORRECT and FULL word to others, rebuking those who teach false doctrine, loving and glorifying him, remaining full in faith, and making my light shine so as not to be a stumbling block to others, I have no fear. I also have no feeling of superiority. Your words above truly break my heart as they fail to acknowledge God's desires.

      As for condimnation. That is a cop-out of the lowest kind. Wouldn't it be just grand to sit back and think "I have no other duty to God than to just love him...yeah me!" But that's not what the Lord taught us or commanded us to do. We are to be ever vigilant for false doctrine and false teachers, we are to reprimand those that are unChristian in behavior and teachings, we are to rebuke and turn-away from those who refuse to abide by his commands. THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENTS.

      Unlike how your posting comes across, I'm not arrogant and self-satisfied enough to think I'm above his COMPLETE word. I do not remove the importantance of "certain verses" because I am more intellectual than those that came before me. I do not add or take away from God's word because I think I "know better". That is what you just did in your last posting. You NEVER mentioned God's commands or wants or needs.

      That is the difference between you and I. Read back over our postings. Mine rely on scriptures. Not twisting them, just reading them as simple grammatical sentences, incorporating the verses before and after for the full story. Your comments are based on YOUR feelings and opinions of what YOU think the scriptures really mean. In fact, you refuse to address many scriptures and come back with ones you think refute the verse. That implies that God is full of contradictions.

      The difference between you and I is simple. I don't go by my personal wants and needs when determining what God wants me to believe and do. I believe that God only asked one thing of me to "show myself approved" - Total belief in Him and His Word. All of it.

      So, which one of us is really listening to God?
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