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  • CHRIS # TWO. Don't miss #1. I will answer most or all.
    • Ken Sublett (no login)
      Posted Mar 5, 2006 8:04 PM

      CHRIS OR JACK HOLT PART TWO

      A Psalm is defined exactly the way a SONG is defined: The HUMAN VOICE is always the FIRST INSTRUMENT OF CHOICE. A song is NEVER accompanied with a musical instrument unless that instrument is NAMED.

      It is a poem which can be performed with
        The human voice as an instrument
        A harp
        Or other instrument.
      Furthermore, a poem can be READ or RECITED. The word used in the Song of Moses uses the word RECITE and Hebrew cantillation meant to SPEAK which is not musical.
        Chris or Jack Holt Gregory of Nyssa in Ps. c.3 (this is not 100:3, but chapter three on the headings on the psalms):

        "A psalm is singing which is effected with the aid of instrumental music."

      Well, this quotation has no REFERENCE so it has no honest value in PROVING anything. Psalm is a GREEK word and not a Hebrew word. Hebrew would read PRAISE. Now, we know that no instrument inheres in the word HALAL unless one is named. Halal means to BOAST or "make yourself vile" and is the ROOT word for LUCIFER. That is because these are not WORSHIP songs but WARRIOR'S CHANTS.

      The word Psalmos means to TWITCH with the fingers and has NO meaning other than with the PSALTERY or harp to make A LOUD CRUSING NOISE and not MUSIC. If you TWITCH a harp string then you still may NOT be making music. If you TWITCH or PLUCK a hair of a head and make it "twang" the word DOES NOT mean to make music. The word of itself NEVER MEANS to play a harp although it you pluck a harp then you must TELL what is to be PLUCKED. It might be the pubic hair of the young "ministers of the gods" seduced by males PLUCKING the harp string.

      The Psaltery has the same meaning as the Familiar Spirit of the Witch of Endor or the SOUNDING GONGS of 1 Cor 13:1.
        Nebel (h5035) neh'-bel; from 5034; a skin- bag for liquids (from collapsing when empty); hence a vase (as similar in shape when full); also a lyre (as having a body of like form): - bottle, pitcher, psaltery, vessel, viol

        Nabel (h5034) naw-bale'; to wilt; generally to fall away, fail, faint; figurative: to be foolish or morally wicked; to despise, disgrace: - disgrace, dishonour, lightly esteem, fade (away, - ing), fall (down, -ling, off), do foolishly, come to nought, surely, make vile, wither..

      Whether the quotation is FABRICATED or not Gregory would NEVER suggest instruments in CHANTING the Psalms which was most often done in private groups.

      Gregory sounds much like Lucian of Samosata in saying:

      "8 . Now since man is a rational animal, the instrument of his body must be made suitable for the use of reason; as you may see musicians producing their music according to the form of their instruments, and not piping with harps nor harping upon flutes,
        so it must needs be that the organization of these instruments of ours should be adapted for reason, that when struck by the vocal organs it might be able to sound properly for the use of words.
      For this reason the hands were attached to the body; for though we can count up very many uses in daily life for which these skilfully contrived and helpful instruments, our hands, that easily follow every art and every operation, alike in war and peace , are serviceable, yet nature added them to our body pre-eminently for the sake of reason.

      2. And as some skilled musician, who may have been deprived by some affection of his own voice, and yet wish to make his skill known,
        might make melody with voices of others,
        and publish his art by the aid of flutes or of the lyre,

        so also the human mind being a discoverer of all sorts of conceptions, seeing that it is unable, by the mere soul, to reveal to those who hear by bodily senses the motions of its understanding, touches, like some skilful composer,

        these animated instruments, and makes known its hidden thoughts by means of the sound produced upon them.
      3. Now the music of the human instrument is a SORT of compound of flute and lyre,
        sounding together in combination as in a concerted piece of music.

        For the breath, as it is forced up from the air-receiving vessels through the windpipe, when the speaker's impulse to utterance attunes the harmony to sound, and as it strikes against the internal protuberances which divide this flute-like passage in a circular arrangement, imitates in a way the sound uttered through a flute, being driven round and round by the membranous projections.
      But the palate receives the sound from below in its own concavity, and dividing the sound by the two passages that extend to the nostrils, and by the cartilages about the perforated bone, as it were by some scaly protuberance, makes its resonance louder; while the cheek, the tongue, the mechanism of the pharynx by which the chin is relaxed when drawn in,
        and tightened when extended to a point-all these in many different ways answer to the motion of the plectrum upon the strings, varying very quickly, as occasion requires, the arrangement of the tones; and the opening and closing of the lips has the same effect as players produce when they check the breath of the flute with their fingers according to the measure of the tune.
      X. That the Mind Works by Means of the Senses.

      1. As the mind then produces the music of reason by means of our instrumental construction, we are born rational, while, as I think, we should not have had the gift of reason if we had had to employ our LIPS to supply the need of the body-the heavy and toilsome part of the task of providing food. As things are, however, our hands appropriate this ministration to themselves, and leave the mouth available for the service of reason.

      2 . The operation of the instrument , however, is twofold; one for the production of sound, the other for the reception of concepts from without;
        and the one faculty does not blend with the other, but abides in the operation for which it was appointed by nature,

        not interfering with its neighbour either by the sense of hearing undertaking to speak, or by the speech undertaking to hear; for the latter is always uttering something, while the ear, as Solomon somewhere says, is not filled with continual hearing
      9. Again, as a musician, when he touches with the plectrum the slackened strings of a lyre, brings out no orderly melody (for that which is not stretched will not sound), but his hand frequently moves skilfully, bringing the plectrum to the position of the notes so far as place is concerned, yet there is no sound, except that he produces by the vibration of the strings a sort of uncertain and indistinct hum;
        so in sleep the mechanism of the senses being relaxed, the artist is either quite inactive, if the instrument is completely relaxed by satiety or heaviness; or will act slackly and faintly, if the instrument of the senses does not fully admit of the exercise of its art."
      If I wanted to be an honest preacher I would use Gregory and EVERYONE ELSE to prove that instruments MUST NOT be used IN CHURCH. I don't believe that anyone who sets out to deliberately SOW DISCORD just so they can musicate can handle the Word of God with minimal honesty.
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