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    • Ken Sublett (no login)
      Posted Mar 6, 2006 12:19 PM


      CHRIS! I told you that your PROOF TEXTS were POSTED above. LOOK UP! Don't try to DIVERT from PPB who is FULLY AUTHORIZED to teach you, and from my QUOTES and CORRECTION to prove that the AUTHORITY for instruments ALWAYS condemns it. Why do you think people DELIBERATELY try to mislead.


      19. Speaking to yourselves (lalountev eautoiv). Rev., one to another. The A.V. is literally correct, but is open to the misinterpretation each one communing with himself. The meaning is as in Col. iii. 13, and Rev. is better.

      Psalms. See on 1 Cor. xiv. 15 Hymns - spiritual songs. See on Col. iii. 16.

      22. Your own (idioi). The peculiar PERSONAL relationship is emphasized as the ground of the duty.
        15. I will sing (yalw). See on Jas. v. 13. The verb, adw is also used for sing, Eph. v. 19; Col. iii. 16; Apoc. v. 9; xiv. 3; xv. 3.

        In the last two passages IT is combined with playing on harps.
        Re v:9 They are HAVING a kithara AND they ADO a new ODE. This is defined as HEBREW CANTILLATION and not MAKING MUSIC.

        We know that their PRAYERS are the INCENSE and you may HAVE literal harps to go along with the TYPICAL incense but DO NOT play the KITHARA at the incense altar where there was a HALF HOUR'S SILENCE.

        Rev 15:3 And they sing (ADO) the song [ODE] of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

        Moses and Aaron SPAKE or RECITED the song so it could be MEMORIZED. If they had a HARP they HELD it and did not PLAY it. Miriam is SPECIFICIALLY said to have LED AWAY (to escape) the WOMEN and sang, played and danced just as they had to HATHOR
      Some think that the verb has here its original signification of singing with an instrument. This is its dominant sense in the Septuagint, and both Basil and Gregory of Nyssa define a psalm as implying instrumental accompaniment; and Clement of Alexandria, while forbidding the use of the flute in the agapae, permitted the harp. [Vincent goofs also: this was in PRIVATE MEALS or entertainment. And we PROVED to you that Clement identified the HARP as Christ and His Word]

      Vincent etal undoubtedly built on previous works. It is NOT a fact that any of thes PSALLO type words EVER, NEVER means to PLAY on a harp. If one PLUCKS (Psallo) a HARP then we know that they are making "music" which God usually translates as NOISE.

      Is it too difficult to grasp that PLUCK can never INCLUDE the whole process of PLUCKING A HARP STRING?

      No scholar will EVER find any literature which says PSALLO or PLUCK.

      But neither Basil nor Ambrose nor Chrysostom, in their panegyrics upon music, mention instrumental music,
        and Basil expressly condemns it. Bingham dismisses the matter summarily, and sites Justin Martyr as saying expressly that instrumental music was not used in the Christian Church. The verb is used here in the general sense of singing praise.
      Psalms. Col 3:16 See the parallel passage, Eph. v. 19. A psalm was ORIGINALLY a song accompanied by a stringed instrument. See on 1 Cor. xiv. 15. The idea of accompaniment PASSED AWAY in usage, and the psalm, in New-Testament phraseology, is an Old-Testament psalm, or a composition having that character.

      From ALL Biblical and secular literature we know that a PSALM was METRICAL and it COULD therefore be accompanied by a HARP. Because a harp did not make harmony, the PSALM would be composed to be CANTILLATED which uses the NORMAL inflections of human speech. The CHANTED note would correspond EXACTLY to the note PLUCKED. The harp might have only THREE strings.

      Therefore, if you TRUST Vincent, you will be FORCED to understand that the psalms COULD NOT be sung with a harp. That is why Paul used the word SPEAK and put the melody in the PLACE of the human hearts where everyone knew about PLUCKING HEART STRINGS.

      PSALLO would allow you to PULL WITH THE FINGERS and suddenly let go to make a TWANG. It EXCLUDES using a GUITAR PICK. By minimial IQ melody DOES NOT mean HARMONY singing "that which Twila has written."
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