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    • PPB (no login)
      Posted Jun 10, 2006 7:43 PM

      Wordkeeper,

      I understand that you are trying to find a middle ground to make everyone happy. I wish such a position was possible. However, your comments really bother me.

      First, your history of the church and the Campbell-Stone movement is limited and erroneous. This type of worship was not "new" in 1810 nor was the name 'Church of Christ'. History shows us that this type of worship was carried out for centuries in France and Scotland, much less Italy. That the Campbell-Stone movement was trying to change American worship to that occurring in Scotland is a well known fact. Therefore, your premise is invalid.

      2nd, separate and apart is what God commanded, not Campbell. He was merely trying to obey the Bible, which the Catholics had ignored for over a thousand years (much less their break-offs). We are to turn away from the "world" and "cultural things". We are commanded by Jesus to be separate and warned that we will be condemned for it.

      Here's were you have failed to follow the scriptures - which tell us to be different, to stand firm in the teachings, to not change in our teachings or let others change it, to admonish those that do, to turn from those who continue. Yet, you condemn the Church for doing the VERY thing we are ordered to do. We are NOT to be a part of the world or popular or hip. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and sounds like a duck, then it probably is a duck. You bet. If its wrong then, its wrong now. If it was a sin then, its a sin now. If God condemned it then, he condemns it now.

      If it talks like satan, walks like satan, and speaks softly like satan - then it probably is satan.

      As for Christians knowing what they should do or when the church is being led down the wrong road - WHAT??? Have you ever dealt with psychopaths or good manipulators? Yes, they were ignorant and had become weak and wordly. They wanted to "fit in" and be "popular" with the world. And they were led to the slaughter like stupid sheep.

      Did you know.......? Jesus told us to save the lost sheep. He taught us to leave the safe fold and go out to find just one lost sheep. But if I listened to your "logical and rational" thinking, I would forgo what Jesus taught and let them stay lost.

      My question to you is this - do I listen to your sweet but false words or do I listen to Jesus? If I turn away from you, am I now separating myself from the "popular, easy" crowd and going against them? Am I now the "bad guy" as the Change Agents are teaching?

      By the way, the reason this is happening is because our youth are NOT the most knowledgeable Christians. Our churches became lax in teaching the deep stuff and taught the fluff. Our colleges have professors that even an untrained historian can tear apart in seconds. We failed our youth for the last 30 years. I know, I'm one of them that almost stayed lost.

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