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  • Elders at a congregation in Texas respond to the challenge
    • Donnie Cruz (no login)
      Posted Jun 15, 2006 11:46 PM

      I would like to share with you the response that I have received recently from an elder that I’m in correspondence with:

        -----Original Message-----
        From: __________ []
        Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:04 AM
        To: Donnie Cruz
        Subject: Re:


        Thanks for the kind words. I have been reading the CM web-site for years now. … I have not added to the discussions … most likely because you and others have done a great job of teaching and refuting the change agents and those who are ignorant of the change agent's goals, and methods. I’m just a regular guy and still have a lot of study ahead of me….

        I am an Elder at the Lord's church in _________, Texas. We are a small congregation of about 100, but even in the small towns the change agents have tested the water. We had/have a group that was pushing for change. They followed the pattern you and others have exposed and we put a halt to it when we recognized it. With us they tied their attendance with what they wanted changed. "We will be more active on Sunday night if we have a singing night instead of preaching." So we had a singing night and they did not come. "We will be more active if you sing these new songs." So we sang new songs, but they would not fellowship with us on Sunday night. "We will be more active if we get these new song books." So we got new song books, (and gave up some great songs), but they would not fellowship with us on Sunday night. This went on over several years and during several different groups of Elders. They never planned to be more active; they just used it as a ruse to push for changes. Amazing, is it not, that those who struggle with attendance always want to lead the un-enlightened into greater spirituality.

        Thanks in great part to the CM web-site we finally caught on. Now we have a tin ear for what ever they want to change. Now some have given up on "enlightening us" and are driving 100 miles to attend a church that has already succumbed to the change movement. Interestingly "their fellowship" with us was contingent upon us changing. So much for the "unity plea" so often claimed by the change agents.

        Honestly I do not think the change agents here see themselves as a part of this great movement. I am sure they have not been to any seminars to learn how to do it. They have just read the books and bought into the ideas. I could be wrong. They do however look at us as "a bunch of old sticks in the mud."

        One member, who has removed himself from our fellowship, is highly intelligent. He has been fixed upon a couple of positions that forced us to remove him from any public role. Those positions are women in worship (very common among the change agents) and teaching Christ is not God. Have you run into this before with the change agents? Any thoughts would be welcome.

        I have been spreading the word about the CM web-site and about change agents in general. My thanks go to God and to you for the work you have done, and are still doing. May God bless you and your family, and keep His church unspotted from the world. I will help in any way I can to keep it so.

        In Christ,

        ______ [Signed________

      John Waddey continues—“Only leaders with ‘cool heads’ and spiritual wisdom will be able to excise the problem without disrupting and harming the body."
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