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      Posted Nov 8, 2006 11:17 PM

      I have followed Rubel's sermons which are posted on line and I assure you that he is NOT remotely connected to the "mainlinne" church of Christ. Without defending those who gave him no quarter, I can assure you that he claims to 'take liberties' with the Bible, believes that it has all been "sifted" by time, evolution and by Einstein and Heisenberg and takes every opening to spread hate among good people. He "takes liberties" with the Restoration Movement and historical facts and misrepresents it at every turn. The ANTI-instrumental "sectarians" specificially rips him open because he PRETENDS that the Bible and most church history defends the position of the Church of Christ. The thesis that if you oppose false teaching then YOU are being judgmental is just PSYCHOLOGICAL VIOLENCE.

      I simply do not believe anyone who pretends that there is no such thing as authority based on commands, examples and inferences and that the BIBLE says nothing to condemn music or any kind of mental arousal.

      He denies and preaches that you as an individual have the right to read, interpret and speak the Word. Therefore, if you oppose him and the new MINISTRY program then that PROVES that you have a bad problem. The "slighting" by the STAFF who have to be co-conspirators is just another proof that you are BENEITH their role of "minister becomes master."

      However, God sent YOU out to test the spirits and speak the Word and you might BEGIN at Rochester. I would hope that you would post handouts or transcripts of tapes and refute them point by point. If you let their heresy stand without teaching the Bible and historical fact then you cannot complain. You can post that or mail that without revealing your identity which is important if you expect to graduate.

      You can post them here (long posts ok) or e-mail them to Donnie and we can DIALOG and hold "church" by speaking that which has been spoken. They THINK that you are a mouse and have no influence but that is NOT the case. When you SEND OUT the truth it will be read and have an effect. We all get a shot at What Will you Do with Jesus: you may not get another test.
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    What Happened At the Madison Church of Christ?


    There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

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