For the rare DISCIPLE (Christians are students not ceremonial legalists) I have posted some quick links to see how the word CRAFTSMAN or TECHNE is used most often to speak of vile pagan rituals where MUSIC and other performing arts were used to CONTROL the "audience" and take them captive to the pastor person.
22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
........IF you read Revelation 17 you will see that these are "ministers" of the Babylon Mother of Harlots. Why should we need to prove that SHE uses all of the arts and crafts to perform SORCERY.
23And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Ken would have us believe music is condemned by John in Revalation because of these verses. If this is true, then John has also condemned craftsmen, grinding on grain, lighting a candle, marriage, and being a merchant.
My Grandfather had a 22 foot grist mill: he was miller, blacksmith, store operator, truck farmer and auto mechanic: I never thought that anyone would associate SORCERY with regular occupations. ALL musical terms and names of instruments are on the other hand AIMED at enchantment or SORCERY.
Bible students who learned about the serpent, the musical enchanter/ess or the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden will have no trouble finding many PARALLELS to Revelation in the prophets inspired by the Spirit of Christ and ALL radically repudiating the Civil-Military-Clergy thread imposed as a curse. They would understand that we don't want musical craftsmen, GRINDERS whose millstone is defined a flute because it identified the prostitutes, lighting candles are the seven spirits of Christ which have been REMOVED as the candlestick, marrying where "giving in marriage" is a perverted musical term.
We have noted that Revelation 17 identifies the Babylon mother of harlots which is is the end-time taking captive of the church by the CRAFTSMEN or techne.
Revelation 18 warns that the lusted after fruits will be removed when the harlot church comes to an end and peace returnes in Revelation 19. The fruits are connected to the musical practices in Amos and they are the catamites or male prostitutes. I know of no history of pagan religious music which does not include women such as flute-players always prostitutes and perverted males.
Revelation 18 spells out the ARTS AND CRAFTS which were always used (needs no proving) to take the attention away from Christ and His Word. John calls them sorcerers WHO HAD deceived the whole world. Of course the dogs (fruits) and sorcerers and liars are those for whom hell was prepared.
The Craftsmen word (techne) includes any learned or professional skill but there is no reason that a carpenter or a soldier would likely try to attack the church with the performing arts. That is why most of the uses had to do with pagan and perverted operatives in the pagan religions. When used by the civil authorities the rituals were still civil and intended to force the people to "goose step" and "goose step" to the NOMOS (legalism) of the state which were the opposite of NATURAL LAWS which private persons might be tempted to follow.
Techn-ê , hê, ( [tektôn] ) art, skill, cunning of hand, of a soothsayer, A.Ag.249 (pl., lyr.), Eu.17, S.OT389, etc.; technai heterôn heterai Pi.N.1.25 ; ôpase t. Pasan Id.O.7.50 .
........Pasan Id.O.7.50 . Pindar, Olympian 7. [10] for those men who were victors [nike] at Olympia and at Pytho. That man is prosperous, who is encompassed by good reports. Grace, which causes life to flourish, looks with favor now on one man, now on another,
........ with both the sweet-singing lyre and the full-voiced notes of flutes.
[13] And now, with the music of flute and lyre alike I have come to land with Diagoras, singing the sea-child of Aphrodite [ZOE>and bride of Helios, Rhodes Truly, a cloud of forgetfulness sometimes descends unexpectedly, and draws the straight path of action away from the mind. For they climbed the hill without bringing the seed of burning flame; and they established the sacred precinct on the acropolis with fireless sacrifices. Zeus brought to them a yellow cloud [50] and rained on them abundant gold.
........And the gray-eyed goddess herself bestowed on them [51] every art,
........so that they surpassed all mortal men as the best workers with their hands;
Techn-ê 2. craft, cunning, in bad sense, doliê t. Od.4.455, Hes.Th.160: pl., arts, wiles, Od.8.327.332, Hes.Th.496,929; doliais technaisi chrêsamenos Pi.N.4.58 ; technais tinos by his arts (or simply by his agency), Id.O.9.52, P.3.11; technên kakên echei he has a bad trick, Hes.Th.770, cf. Pi.I.4(3).35(53), S Ph.88, etc.
Techn-ê3. way, manner, or means whereby a thing is gained, without any definite sense of art or craft, mêdemiêi t. in no wise, apostêsomai . . oute t. oute mêchanêi oudemiai IG12.39.22 ; pasêi t. kai mêchanêi X.An.4.5.16 ; mête t. mête mêchanêi mêdemiai Lys.13.95 .
........Mêchan-ê engine of war, 3. theatrical machine by which gods, etc., were made to appear in the air,
........ Organum , Of musical instruments, a pipe, used With: machina , ae, f. = mechane, I. a machine, i. e. any artificial contrivance for performing work, II.Trop., a device, plan, contrivance; esp. a trick, artifice, stratagem
........ClasPlaCratylus.html
........Cratylus: Soc. And mine, too, Hermogenes. But do not be too much of a precisian, or "you will unnerve me of my strength." When you have allowed me to add mechane (contrivance) to techne (art) I shall be at the top of my bent, for I conceive mechane to be a sign of great accomplishment- anein; for mekos the meaning of greatness, and these two, mekos and anein, make up the word mechane.
Click for more Cratylus. Who? Ask your preacher. He will know or resign.
You assuredly learned nothing at church today and Simple Simon knows that church is ekklesia or a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE ONLY: singing as an ACT was not imposed until 373 and that divided the east from the west churches. Why is it that you want to promote music and SILENCE the Word?
This web site is not part of or approved by any Church!
...........................THE BOOK
What Happened At the Madison Church of Christ?
There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.
This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison
Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource
references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least
you will recognize the signs early on.
Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't
know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.
Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was
one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.
It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of
it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word
of Jesus Christ.
At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority
of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly
realm.
They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and
to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.
The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan.
Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books,
seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change
so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....
At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to
be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched
through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the
"Community Church Movement"
Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready,
or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the
plans very nature, it had to be secret.
The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was
never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last
15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.
The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the
elders went along unwittingly.
This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell
something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill
in some of the timeline.
To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the
background materials in the first of the book.
This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be
printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our
web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison
Here is the list of players;
5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten
commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)