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  • Ray, learn the facts
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      Posted Jun 30, 2009 2:43 PM

      Ray,

      The expression "nearly all of the congregations of the church of Christ" is applicable to the majority of, if not all, the thousands of churches worldwide that do not engage the participation of musical devices in the assembly of New Testament saints. I'll have to keep stating it again and again that the few churches that do -- that are aligned with you and your camp -- use instrumental music. These few churches (numbered at around 20 out of 18,000+) that use IM have become Christian Church surrogates or are associated with the Willow Creek Association of Community Churches.

      How much plainer can I state that to you? Don't you comprehend anything that simple? What you want to believe is that 17,980 of 18,000 congregations worldwide use IM and are aligned with you and the Change Agents. That just isn't the case.

      Ray, presenting those facts DOES NOT DIVIDE the church of the Lord Jesus Christ. Presenting those facts simply shows that those 20 congregations, at no fault of their own, had their elders succumbing to whatever societal, culture-driven methodologies and approaches to numerical church growth, as well as to their own selfish desires.

      I'm just checking with you: Ray, is there anything I've stated so far that is unclear to you?

      So, who is causing division? Is it the change agents operating in the brotherhood and their disciples, the elders of these FEW congregations? Or, is it the 17,980 congregations that have so far refused to yield to the temptation of doing holy entertainment in their assemblies?

      It's really time to get your facts staight, Ray.

      I'm glad you've admitted that the use of musical devices in the assembly is a disputable matter. One thing clear is that teaching and admonishing ONE ANOTHER IN psalms and hymns and spiritual songs is NOT DISPUTABLE.

      This website has always maintained: Why indulge in CONTROVERSIAL, UNNECESSARY AND DIVISIVE matters and issues?
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