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  • Missing the Facts and Context
    • Ray (no login)
      Posted Jun 30, 2009 7:03 PM

      Donnie,

      You do not present facts or cxontext at all. You only present your interpretations and accusations and warp them up in pretty packaging and call it "facts."

      But your wrapping does not make your interpretations and accusations facts.

      Do you believe your interpretations and accusations are infalliable? You write like you do.

      Let's look at a few of your errors (no Donnie, you really are not infallible).

      You say that you "produced a couple of familiar passages" but you err in that you claim that they apply to when the "the New Testament saints meet."

      In another post to you I was able to prove from the contect that Paul's instructions to the Ephesians and the Colossians was never about what to do when "the New Testament saints meet" but was always about what to do in their everyday life. BUt you continue to ignore the scriptural and inspired contxt and believe on your own interpretations instead.

      God was certaoinly NOT silent while David, the skilled musician who played the musical instruments. How can you ignore the follwing:

      "He [Hezekiah] then stationed the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, with harps and with lyres, according to the command of David and of Gad the king's seer, and of Nathan the prophet; for the command was from the LORD through His prophets." (2 Chronicles 29:25, NASB)

      "and all the Levitical singers, Asaph, Heman, Jeduthun, and their sons and kinsmen, clothed in fine linen, with cymbals, harps and lyres, standing east of the altar, and with them one hundred and twenty priests blowing trumpets in unison when the trumpeters and the singers were to make themselves heard with one voice to praise and to glorify the LORD, and when they lifted up their voice accompanied by trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and when they praised the LORD, He ndeed is good for His lovingkindness is everlasting," then the house, the house of the LORD, was filled with a cloud, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of God." (2 Chronicles 5:12-14, NASB)

      The following Psalms, all inspired by Holy God, include refernces to instruments of music: 4, 5, 6, 8, 12, 33, 43, 49, 54, 55, 57, 61, 67, 68, 71, 76, 81, 84, 97, 92, 98, 108, 137, 144, 147. 149, 150.

      One-third of the Psalms (plus Habakkuk) were dedicated to "the director of music," "chief musician," or "choirmaster." The job description is given by inspiration in 1 Chronicles 15: "David spoke to the chiefs of the Levites to appoint their relatives the singers, with instruments of music, harps, lyres, loud-sounding cymbals, to raise sounds of joy...So the singers, Heman, Asaph and Ethan were appointed to sound aloud cymbals of bronze; and Zechariah, Aziel, Shemiramoth, Jehiel, Unni, Eliab, Maaseiah and Benaiah, with harps tuned to alamoth; and Mattithiah, Eliphelehu, Mikneiah, Obed-edom, Jeiel and Azaziah, to lead with lyres tuned to the sheminith. Chenaniah, chief of the Levites, was in charge of the singing; he gave instruction in singing because he was skillful."

      When Paul said, "sing and make music" he is quoting a phrase used in Psalm 57 - a psalm that include making music with the instrument.

      Jesus, Paul, and John all make refernce to instrumental music in their teachings and it is NEVER in the negative: Twice they are used as an example, and once to descibe what is happening in Heaven. But they are NEVER condemned.

      When you say God did not command instruments or desire instruments, you are either a liar or incredibly ignorant of the Word of God.

      You slander several congregations of the churches of Christ by claiming, "have associated themselves with the Willow Creek Association of Community Churches." Take John Waddey's slander list and prove it from that list (I'll give you Oak Hills since they have already disassociated them selves from the churches of Christ).. All of the orthers are still congregations of the churches of Christ.

      I also ask you to prove that this website is aligned with the mainstream or mainline congregations of the church of the Lord Jesus Christ. I maintain it is not - it is only aligned with the grumblers and dividers condemned in the scriptures, aligned with those who believe special knowledge is more important than the simple explicit word of God, and aligned with those who would ignore, cast away, and explain away the clear inspied teachings of Holy God.

      Once again I challenge you - Produce for all to read here the specific and explicit word of God that authorizes you to call something a sin that God has not, that authorizes you to condemn where God has not condemned, that authorizes you to pass judgement where God has not passed judgement, and that authorizes you to elevate your interpretations over and above the inspired word of God.
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