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  • Response to Norton's claim
    • Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      ConcernedMembersMadison
      Posted Mar 6, 2011 9:40 PM

      3.06.11. Can you imagine a Church of Christ Thread where all of the false teachers are ANTI-church of Christ and where posted facts are not allowed. See more at

      http://www.piney.com/GraceCenteredReview.html

      Norton, never coming to the knowledge of the truth says with approval at GCMF. "Never once do we find in the writings of the Early Church Fathers where they took it upon themselves to write that God had forbidden IM in the church. They cite no apostles or scripture, or anyone else as saying IM in church worship is a sin. Most of the writers being bishops, did what bishops are supposed to do. They gave their judgements on matters, not addressed by the Lord or the apostles. They said the Church did not use lifeless instruments in worship because they didn't want to be like the Jews and pagans. And of course they didn't use the "authority principle" against instruments, because that doctrine didn't appear until the Reformation. (Utterly False: Christ used it in the Prophets as the only resource for building up the church along with the apostles."

      The Universal aim to be APOSTOLIC for all that we believe or practice.

      Isaiah 8:20
      ....To the law (no instruments in the Law of Moses)
      ....nd to the testimony: (By the Spirit of Christ 1 Peter 1:11; Rev 19:10)
      if they speak not according to this word,
      ....it is because there is no light in them.

      Isaiah 55 outlaws MERCHANDISING especially when it is a hostil attack on godly people. Christ in Isaiiah 58 outlawed "speaking your own words."

      I think that pretty well sums up the ANTISM of the ANTI-non-Instrumental Church of Christ.

      Grace demands that I tell you that ALL church fathers who wrote on instruments or singing REPUDIATE any thing that disturbs the command to "teach that which is written." There was never any congregational singing with organ accompaniment before the Reformation because even Simple Simon knew that NONE OF IT WAS METRICAL and could NOT be taught with music.

      THEODORET" Theodoret of Cyrus or Cyrrhus c. 393 c. 457) 107 . Question: If songs were invented by unbelievers to seduce men, but were allowed to those under the law on account of their childish state, why do those who have received the perfect teaching of grace in their churches still use songs, just like the children under the law?

      Answer: It is not simple singing that belongs to the childish state, but singing with lifeless instruments, with dancing, and with clappers. Hence the use of such instruments and the others that belong to the childish state is excluded from the singing in the churches, and simple singing is left." (Theodoret, a bishop of Cyrhus in Syria, Questions and Answers for the Orthodox)

      SO, Norton and all of the ANTIS deliberately make up stuff because such hate is allowed or encouraged.

      Norton is invited to post where where no one wins by censure and censoring
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