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  • Ode does not mean hymn does not mean psalm: none include instruments unless named.
    • Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      Posted Mar 9, 2011 6:43 PM

      Norton asks but will probably not get a response expecially with Hoyt's and other's approved spiritual abuse.

      Schlier also noted that ado approximates to humnesai, psallein, and ainein and is used interchangeably with these three terms.

      In Reply 107 of this thread I asked for some scholarly comment on the word "ado" or its tenses as used Revelation 5:9 and Revelation 15:4. I see from your information that "ado" does not imply the playing of instruments, but from reading the Revelation passages, it seems that neither would "ado" exclude the playing of instruments as accompaniment. Any comments?

      Psallo never means to PLAY AN INSTRUMENT. If Christ wanted to include an instrument HE was pretty smart and did not depend on latter days.

      DON'T BLASPHEME JESUS CHRIST THE HOLY SPIRIT: HE IS NOT IGNORANT AS IT IS SUPPOSED. IF HE WANTED TO GIVE A REMOTE HINT ABOUT PLAYING A HARP IN HIS SCHOOL OF THE WORD HE WOULD HAVE USED ONE OF MANY: To PLAY a HARP demands TWO WORDS or a COMPOUND WORD: Psallo NEVER means to "play a harp" but means to PLUCK with your fingers and NEVER with a plectrum--no guitar picks in psallo, no flutes, no keyboards, no drumbs. Why are none of your "thought leaders" slurping up the living of widows and willing to drive them weeping from their own group in order to add that which has universally amazed (like a train wreck) and repulsed the universal persona. Maybe they are PREdestined as the musical sorcerers in Revelation 18 HAD deceived the whole world once.

      epi-psallo , A. play the lyre, S.Fr.60, Poll.4.58Pass.); melesi kai rhuthmois Plu.2.713b ; sing, tous humnous LXX 2 Ma.1.30:Pass., Ph.1.626.

      psalmd-oia , A. singing to the harp, Aristid.2.310J.

      psal-tikos , , on, A. of or for harp playing, ps. organon a stringed instrument, Ath.14.634f (of the magadis; andra psaltikn agathon a good harpist, Ael. ap. Ar.Byz.Epit.84.8.

      psaltod-eo , A. sing to the harp, LXX 2 Ch.5.13.

      There is not a SINGING word in the whole bible meaning to "play a harp." Jesus warned that "doctors of the law take away the key to knowledge." Music in fact is the PREFERRED WEAPON "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." as a WITNESS with no urge to convert: the MANY in Paul's word are tasked to MAKE THE LAMBS DUMB BEFORE THE SLAUGHTER. CHRIST will be OUTSIDE the camp suffering the reproaches of those INSIDE the camp or Agora.

      An ODE is NOT a Psalm or Hymn

      And ODE set to music is:
      Mouso- , A. furnish with power of song , hosa phusis memouske,
      2. to be set to music, ta di' ds . . mousthenta kroumata D.H.Dem.40, cf. Cat.Cod.Astr.8(3).188; to be filled with melody , memoustai ta peri tn thalattan hup' ds tn petrn Philostr.Her.10.7.

      Therefore an ODE cannoot include instruments: Mouso is the dedicated word never used in the bible.

      Ode is the OPPOSITE of Lexis or Speak.
      Paul's imperative command was to SPEAK in order to TEACH others.
      The Ode and Plucking MUST be internal: in the heart.

      The command is to SPEAK the ODES

      -lexis , es, h(, (leg B) A. speech, OPPOSITE. Ode, Pl.Lg.816d; l. praxis speech or action, Id.R.396c; ho tropos ts l. ib.400d; ta lexei dloumena orders given by word of mouth,

      So NO ONE can obey the direct command to SPEAK that which is written in an external sense AND sing or ODE in an external sense at the time. That is why Jesus put worship IN THE HEART as a PLACE as opposed to Jerusalem as a PLACE. "IN THE HEART"identiifies a PLACE: A Spirit God MUST BE, cannot be otherwised but to worship IN THE PLACE of the human spirit made into A holy spirit at baptism

      If someone commanded you to "sing IN the bathtub" you would have a dozen "doctors of the law" debating WHERE you were to sing.

      An Ode is opposite to SPEAK which is the direct command.-d , h(, contr. for aoid, OPPOSITE. lexis,

      LOOK AGAIN AT PAUL'S USE OF PARALLELISM: his string of "BUTS" applies to the present participles connected by AND in the PLACE of the heart or spirit.

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      Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, HAVING every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

      Holding harps OF GOD means to apprehend the Word of God: no one PLAYS instruments:

      Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

      Saying is leg3 5. l. ti to say something, i. e. to speak to the point or purpose, to explain more fully,
      9. to boast of, tell of, Xen.: to recite what is written, labe to biblion

      lgo (a). To read out, read aloud, recite (esp. freq. in post-Aug. authors): convocatis auditoribus volumen legere, etc.

      If the doctors of the law KNEW or were willing admit the universal patternsim for the Church of Christ from the wilderness onward the YOU would not feed THEIR face to give them time to betray your trust:

      Acts 15:21 For Moses
      of old time
      hath in every city
      them that preach him,
      being read in the synagogues
      every sabbath day.

      The apostles affirmed this as the approved PATTERNISM in the Jerusalem council: Paul affirmed this patternism in 2 Corinthians 3. When Paul wrote letters his direct command was to READ these letters: what what stretch of delusion do men ride tandem on the backs of widows and honest working people to scramble the letters and just fabricate their own sermons: Jesus identified the sons of the Devil with "they speak on their own."

      THATS the commanded, exampled and necessary inference of Jesus Christ IF you grasp that church is A School (only) of the Word (only) of Christ in the prophets and apostles for spiritual content.
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