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  • Re: instrumental music question
    • (Login Ken.Sublett)
      ConcernedMembersMadison
      Posted Nov 30, 2011 7:43 PM

      Arguments from silence and from history (generations after the apostolic era!) do not seem like grounds for Christian doctrine.

      I agree with that: The Disciples / Christian churches invented the law of silence in a distorted way. They insisted that if there was not a LAW which said "thou shalt not use musical instruments" then WE intend to impose musical instruments knowing that it would sow discord. That makes imposing instruments based on LEGALISM.

      Christ, the Rock, ordained the qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness: it consisted of

      REST which meant being quarantined from the sacrificial systems to which God abandoned primarily the Levi tribe because of their musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

      READING the ekklesia or synagogue in the Greek sense could not INVENT any material. Something from a higher authority was READ, discussed and a decision reached.

      REHEARSING: the Word of God was for use in the SCHOOL OF GOD. The assembly intended only for people to learn and understand a portion of Scripture. Then, they could sing and meditate about that all week long.

      EXCLUDED "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" which was OUTLAWED for the generaly assembly.

      Saying that instruments are not outlawed as MARKS of people refusing to listen to the word is the MARK of people whom God has made delusional because they have no love for the truth.

      When did instrumental music become wrong in worship?

      Christ in the prophets says that Lucifer represented by Tyre and Babylon brought musical instruments as the "singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden." Jubal "handled" instruments meaning "without authority." Laban wanted to get Jacob drunk again with a musical going away party to steal all of His property." Miriam ESCAPED with the women and performed as a Soothsayer with a noise making instrument." The Levites made noise to warn you that you would be executed if you can NEAR any holy thing or into any holy place. The Levites performed as SOOTHSAYERS with instrumental accompaniment to WARNING to stay outside the gates.

      Instruments were invented by David for use by the Levites under the KING and COMMANDERS OF THE ARMY. The assemblies of LEVI were outlawed by Jacob in Genesis 49. If you blow 120 ram's horns (not commaded) during animal slaughter with harpers SMITING their harps the Bible calls that NOISE and never music. The godly people were quarantined to their local area (about 700 feet) and were to REST, READ AND REHEARSE THE WORD. That is the ONLY thing defined as "worship" in the New Testament. The REST day was never for godly worship and the WORK outlawed even ministers of God from going outside their area.

      Is it imagined that Paul did not worship with instruments when he visited the temple as a Christian? Was it wrong the day after the day of Pentecost?

      Yes: Paul NEVER went into the Temple or the inner court where animals were once slaughtered while the Levites (parasites) made loud noise "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." Not even Jesus could go near or into any holy place. They assembled in the outer court NOT on the Sabbath because that is where the people were: they in fact were EVANGELIZING the Jews and Paul was denouncing the method of ceremonial cleansing and preached about baptism and risked his life to do so. The Jewish sacrificial system ended shortly after the Return and the Temple was operated by HIRELINGS: the temple was for Jupiter and called HEROD'S TEMPLE.

      There is no record of any kind of "instrumental noise" in the outer court or marketplace.

      Was it wrong when the ink was dry on the book of Revelation and it was realized there were no commands/examples re: instruments? Of course there is the example of heavenly harps....is his will "on earth" different than "as it is in heaven" on this matter?

      No one PLAYED instruments in heaven or IN THE AIR over Jerusalem. The SOUNDS LIKE were all devoted to creating panic. It was a mark of JUDGMENT and the second angel did not command "make music" The command WHEN YOU HEAR this panic-driven sounds is to PREACH THE GOSPEL: time is short. All of the Biblical Instruments are WARNING about Burning Times. For instance, the speakers, singers and instrument players were called SORCERERS: John said that THEY will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

      The Kingdom of God does not come with OBSERVATION: that means Religious observations. So if you can hear, see or smell them they are NOT the kingdom of God.

      I personally love a capella singing.

      See, they have lied to you again. A capella was the Pope's Castrated opera singers from france because instruments could not be used in the Pope's official Mass. They imitated the Pipe Organ and therefore sang "organum." The deceivers call it Acappella as a worship team. Capella was the smelly goat reprsentative of a constellation they worshipped.

      The fact that there is NO command to SING in the Bible. The direct command is to use "that which is written for our learning" and the elders are to teach that which has been taught. The word SPEAK is the opposite of poetry or music. SPEAKING and SINGING uses opposite sides of the brain as proven by Gabby Giffords.

      Singing as an ACT was imposed and sowed discord in the year 373: too late to be Biblical.
      Since the command was to SPEAK the Word of Christ (Spirit) and NONE of the Bible is metrical, no one sang congregationally until after Calvin. Then some Psalms(only) were recomposed and set to a simple melody to be sung in UNISON (only): that's what Paul commanded in Romanbs 15.

      I don't want instruments personally. But I loathe the insistence on it as the only way to worship rightly. THAT has caused grief and division and harmed the cause of the restoration of the NT gospel.

      That's true: the Disciples / Christian churches IMPOSED the organ (only) in their own congregations: The Church of Christ was never at any time in history remotely related to the Disciples/Christians. Churches of Christ never USED machines in what the Campbells called "A School of Christ" where worship was only "Reading and Musing the Word of God." That is what Christ commanded back in the wilderness. Those who NEVER used instruments at any time in history being accused of sowing discord is what we call A Bald Faced Lie which all of the discorders love to tell.

      There is no command, example or inference that Jesus commanded a Worship Service: Worship in the New Testament is SOLELY reading and understanding the Word of God: the Lord's Supper is another TEACHING activity. That never changed from the Wilderness onward: Jesus stood up to READ the assigned text and then SAT DOWN. He attended the Christian "synagogue" on two first days of the week and there was NO singing as indeed it had been outlawed for the synagogue.

      The NT Gospel cannot be restored: the Restoration movement followed John Calvin who wanted to RESTORE THE CHURCH OF CHRIST by REMOVING all of the superstitions imposed by the Catholics.

      Nobody needs to buy a guitar or piano, but please re-think the whole notion of acapella singing as an "identifying mark of the NT church". That strains credulity.

      There was NO singing in any of the church events in any writings by the Apostles or by Jesus: the Word SPEAK has no musical concept. Bot singing and PSALLO type melody were IN THE HEART (a place) because in the external sense both spoke of enchantment or sorcery: someone trying to dabble with people's mind. So, maybe a better attack would be to figure out how to insist that preachers be able to read the Word of God.

      ALL of the division could cease and all of the collection plates burned if preachers could grasp that church is A SCHOOL (only) OF CHRIST (only) defined by the Prophets and Apostles upon which the church is edified or educated: Christ in the prophets RADICALLY condemns musical instruments as the MARK that people were telling God to shut up.

      If all recorded history including the Bible treats instrumental noises as SORCERY or WITCHCRAFT because it seeks to manipulate your brain through external means to fleece the lambs, why would anyone think that they should try to SUBVERT the Word of Christ by scrambling it in sermons and using witchery by music?
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