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  • Re: A "tradition" of chasing people away
    • Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      Posted Aug 27, 2012 8:43 PM

      In the vision they said that they were not going to let "tradition" get in the way of bringing in new souls. But what about the thousands of souls who have left the church because of their break with "tradition"? Didn't Madison used to pack the auditorium for 2 services every Sunday? Didn't Madison used to be the biggest congregation in the church?

      Of course, when they say that, they mean that NOT using instruments as "Just our Tradition." That's what Steve Flat also said. When they say that they are liars at worst or delusional at best. I think you have it right when you say that the elders probably just don't care for lost sheep and worship their presumed STATUS. Elders are made by their OWN Spirit. An elder must already be working to the point of exhaustion in preaching and teaching. They have let the NOT-commanded and NOT-funded preacher usurp their authority. Buck doesn't need anyone to agree.

      You have to be Biblically Illiterate not to know that a major theme from the garden of Eden onward is that Lucifer (Zoe) "the singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden" came EQUIPPED with Wind, String and percussions instruments when he/she was CAST AS PROFANE out of heaven: Chalal means blow the flute, pollute or prostitute. It is the word which defines those who first began to CALL themselves Jehovah. (Enosh)

      The last warning is in Revelation 17 where the Babylon Mother of harlots arises and in Revelation 18 uses the "lusted after fruits" (same as in Amos) as rhetoricians, singers and instrument players: John called them SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world. He also said that these dogs or sorcerers will be 'Cast alive into the Lake of Fire."

      You have as witness that none of the Bible and the "singing" was never tuneful. You also have as witness all of the church fathers who repudiate instruments in church. You have all of the founders of denominations saying that to call our practice "our tradition" or "our heratige" are just trying to let the WOLVES in: that's what Paul prophesied and it isn't pretty.

      We had to wait for the Disciples / Christian Churches in 1878 to even think that the PSALLO word has any instrumental content.

      Paul warned about the elders in 1 Corinthians 13:

      La^l-e ,Mark of the Locusts
      II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday,
      III. of musical sounds, aul [flute] lale Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] salpiggos l.[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]

      Emba^t-eu , A. step in or on, frequent, haunt: c. acc., of tutelary god
      philokhoros Pan embateuei A.Pers.449, cf. E.El.595
      hina Dionusos embateuei S.OC679
      IV. To be initiated into the mysteries, Jahresh.15.46 (Notium), cf. Ep.Col.2.18.
      ho -eun t khri daimn D.H.1.77:

      When elders and preachers are so treacherous, people will catch on and not be foolish enough to trust the "Lord's money" with such people. They REPLACEMENT flock will be butterflies and will flit to the next famouse "venue for Rock and Roll."

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