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  • No! Calvin never said or thought any such thing!
    • ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      Posted Oct 11, 2012 6:17 PM

      Tyler, DaveW, Johnn B about John Calvin Dividing the Church of Christ. In fact, the Church of Christ has never been "joined" with the Christian Churches and never in recorded history ever thought that you could obey the command to "speak that which is written for our learning" and accompany it with harmony and instruments. That is because God made certain that NONE of the Bible is metrical as a way to MARK those who will not obe3y.

      See Our Grace-Centered Magazine Forum as an ANTI-Church of Christ marketing scheme. Unfortuneately they are not manly enough to tolerate posting of FACTS.

      TYLER SAYS along with lots of other HATCHED opinions.It was Calvin that evolved his ideas that "silence was prohibitive." Calvin's idea of silence divided the churches of Christ. Calvin not only treated the Bible as level dispensationally, he treat the Bible as level linguistically. All the language in the Bible to him was the same kind of language.

      To Calvin, the language was prescriptive, like a Betty Crocker cook book. That is, the language was prescriptive like the instructions for building the Tabernacle, or the Ark.

      In fact, that was the Spirit OF Christ who defined the Qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ in the Wilderness:
      It was INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word.
      It was EXCLUSIVE of "vocal or instrumental rejoicing or elevated forms of rhetoric.

      Jethro had defined that for Moses long before the nation fell into musical idolatry which was without redemption

      Ex. 18:20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws,
      .....and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk,
      ..... and the work that they must do.

      A. [select] Objectively, sacredness, sanctity (in this sense rare, and only in sing.): sanctitas regum, et caerimonia deorum. Caes. ap. Suet. Caes. 6: legationis. Cic. Rosc. Am. 39, 113; Tac. A. 4, 64 fin.: 3, 61: loci. id. ib. 14, 22 fin.
      B. [select] Subjectively, a holy dread, awe, reverence, veneration of the Deity (external; while religio has regard both to internal and external reverence for God; rare except in sing.)

      ostendo , A. [select] In gen., to show, disclose, exhibit, manifest: ille dies cum glori maxim sese nobis ostendat, 2. [select] Transf.: vocem, to make heard, Phaedr. 1, 13, 9.
      1. [select] To show, express, indicate by speech or signs; to give to understand, to declare, say, tell, make known, etc. (syn.: indico, declaro, significo).With acc.: illud ostendit, Cic. Att. 1, 1, 4.With obj.- or rel.-clause: ostendit se cum rege colloqui velle, Nep. Con. 3, 2:

      Ex. 18:21 Moreover thou shalt provide
      .....out of all the people able men, such as fear God, of truth, hating covetousness;
      .....and place such over them, to be
      .....rulers of thousands,
      .....and rulers of hundreds,
      .....rulers of fifties, and
      .....rulers of tens:

      Jesus said that the Kingdom of God does not come with OBSERVATION: that means that the kingdom is NOT concerned with what the Grace-Centered people lust for.

      Liars, Dogs And Sorcerers (rhetoricians, singers and instrument players) will be cast alive into the lake of fire. The Forum owners need to make certain that people post Biblical and Historical fact: that would be good for business with the masses who are recovering from the musical attack.
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