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  • Re: Lying about Campbell, Calvin and Christ at Grace Centered Forum
    • B (no login)
      Posted Oct 15, 2012 7:01 PM

      Just before Jesus gave His disciples the model prayer, He said, "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name." (Matt. 6:7-9 KJV).

      Notice that Jesus did not say, "Pray each time using only these words." Had He done so, then we could only pray the Lord's Prayer. Rather, Jesus said, "After this manner therefore pray ye," which meant He was about to give an example; His disciples were to base their prayers around the format that Jesus gave them. He had just told His disciples not to use vain repetitions. Jesus certainly wouldn't tell His disciples that, then contradict Himself by telling them to pray ONLY the Lord's Prayer.

      On the other hand, Dave actually seems to argue that the ONLY prayer we can use is the Lord's Prayer: When we arise in the morning, we say ONLY the Lord's Prayer; for grace before meals, we say ONLY the Lord's Prayer; before retiring at night, we say ONLY the Lord's Prayer; and for all other occasions when prayer is desired, we are to say ONLY the Lord's Prayer. According to Dave's argument, we are not allowed to pray ANYTHING but the Lord's Prayer. In other words, Dave supports vain repetitions in prayers.

      Whereas the Lord's Prayer is a model, an example around which we should base our own prayers, the passages in Eph. 5:19 and Col. 3:16 clearly STIPULATE that we are to use vocal music. By the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command (which Dave conveniently ignores), we are not permitted to add other kinds of music than the kind that God stipulates. Had God said, "Make joyful music and melody in your hearts," then we would have had the freedom to use vocal as well as instrumental music. But since the STIPULATION is vocal music, then we cannot go beyond that.


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