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  • A Defense of the Godhead.
    • a preacher (no login)
      Posted Nov 1, 2012 10:57 AM

      Not sure if those on here against the Triune God are Unitarians or bitarians??? In any case, lets let the Bible argue for itself:

      There is one God (Deut. 6:4).

      The Father is God (1 Cor. 1:3).

      The Father is not the Son (Mt. 3:16-17; Jn. 17).

      The Father is not the Holy Spirit (Jn. 15:26).

      Jesus is God (Jn. 1:1-3).

      Jesus is not God the Father (Mt. 3:17).

      Jesus is not the Holy Spirit (Mt. 3:16).

      The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4).

      The Holy Spirit is not Jesus (Jn. 14:26).

      The Holy Spirit is not the Father (John 15:26).

      The Holy Spirit is a person.

      On the Greek argument about a supposed absence of pronouns shows a very poor understanding of how the Greek Language works. The gender of the pronoun is determined by the gender of the noun. The word for Spirit is a neuter noun and so naturally, the pronouns referring to it have to be neuter gender (cf. 1 Pet. 1:11). However, the New Testament uses the masculine pronoun at times! John 14:26 has a neuter & masculine pronoun. Ekeinos is masculine. John 16:13-14 is another example.

      On the argument using all the verses saying "Holy Spirit OF God" or "Of Christ" also is a bad argument. Let us consider the same type of reasoning: This post is the post OF "a preacher." Therefore, the post is the preacher. Jesus is the Son OF God the Father. Therefore, Jesus and God the Father are not two entities but one. So, Jesus is His own Father and talks to Himself quite a lot... Poor reasoning I must say!

      The Fact is, the Holy Spirit has personal masculine pronouns used of Him (John 14:26; 16:13-14). Also, the HS does things that prove He is a person (Jn. 16:13; 1 Tim. 4:1; Acts 2:4; Mt. 10:20; 2 Cor. 13:3; Acts 4:25; 28:25). The Holy Spirit is deity (Luke 1:67-70; cf. 2 Pet. 1:21).

      Jesus says that only God is worthy of worship (Mt. 10:4 cf. Rev. 19:10; Acts 14:11-15).

      When I worship God the Father and when I worship Jesus Christ, I make it a point to also worship the Holy Spirit. In fact, one of my favorite songs says:

      Father We love you we worship and adore you, glorify Your name in all the earth. Glorify Your name! Glorify Your name! Glorify Your name in all the earth!
      Jesus We love you we worship and adore you, glorify Your name in all the earth. Glorify Your name! Glorify Your name! Glorify Your name in all the earth!
      Spirit We love you we worship and adore you, glorify Your name in all the earth. Glorify Your name! Glorify Your name! Glorify Your name in all the earth!

      To deny God the Holy Spirit of worship would be the same as denying Christ worship or refusing to worship the Father.

      Some get confused...how could there be 1 yet 3? Read John 17. Look at the unity that the Godhead truly has. That is a large part of it. Yes, it is difficult to comprehend the nature of God. We are finite beings. Will we ever understand it all? No. But, those who are faithful to Him will truly get to experience His full nature in Heaven! Consider however, a parallel: There is only one thing that is water. H2O. There is nothing else that is H2O. ONLY H2O is H2O. But, H2O can be liquid water, solid ice, or gas steam. Each has its purposes (water for drinking, ice for cooling, and steam for ironing clothes for example) but each is still that one and only H2O. Some other illustrations help: Believers (Jn. 17:21-22; Acts 4:32; 1 Cor. 12:20); Husband and wife (Gen. 2:24; Mt. 19:5; Eph. 5:31); Paul and Apollos (1 Cor. 3:6, 8); God is not 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 but God is 1 X 1 X 1 = 1. Although these illustrations are inadequate at explaining everything, it helps us to grasp somewhat of God's amazing nature!

      I will continue to worship the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, because all 3 are Deity and all 3 are worthy of worship!

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