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  • Truth in love...Parables against the WISE: speakers, singers, instrument players
    • Chris (Login chrispcream)
      Posted Jun 23, 2015 6:15 PM

      I believe debate is necessary and healthy for the church. We need to know what we believe, why we came to believe it, and that God led us to our beliefs through thoughtful personal study, open dialog with believers we respect and trust, and above all - prayer. A healthy body is a thinking body; one that doesn't accept an idea simply because it sounds right, or feels good. The topics in these pages should be discussed and debated, using God's Word as the cornerstone of every thought expressed.

      I have but one exhortation to us all: that we speak out of love, respect and honor for one another, as we search for the truth. We are all children of the Most High God, and share a special and sacred kinship as brothers in the church of Christ. Jesus prayed for our unity. He knew it would be difficult for us. During His ministry, Jesus was bombarded with questions and concerns about His teachings, horror over the people with whom He associated, and slanderous accusations. What made Jesus so different was His ability to respond to opposition without the need to belittle or devalue. I think we all experience anger when our beliefs are challenged, but we should avoid statements that question the motives and character of the person, and focus rather on reaching consensus, if the topic is really that important.

      Debate, yes! Disagree, certainly! Fight for the purity of the Bride of Christ, absolutely! Let us just remember to do so with love and respect for each other, recalling those times when WE were, in fact, the person who needed the word of wisdom. We should all extend the patience and grace to each other that has been showered upon us.

      Peace and love to all of you!!!

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      There can be no love when people mock Jesus instead of teaching what he commanded to be taught.

      By definition of a Biblical or historic Church of Christ, Direct Commands, Biblical Examples and Necessary Inferences [the Logos] outlaws non Biblical sermons, performance singing or musical instruments replacing the building or educating by the Prophets and Apostles [Eph. 2:20]. Because of MOCKING by vocal and instrumental idolatry at Mount Sinai, God sentenced the Jews to captivity and death beyond Damascus [Amos 5:2] or beyond Babylon [Acts 7:43]. Giving false teachers no option, Jesus said that God hides from the wise or sophists who are rhetoricians, singers or instrument players. In Ephesians 4 elders as Pastor-Teacher's must remove these hypocritic performers who are marked as Lying in Wait to Deceive. In end-time prophesied Babylonianism [Rev. 17f] religious musicians are called sorcerers to be cast alivie into the Lake of Fire. They are foreordained writes Jude. Of Judas Sicarri (Assassin)-

      Psa 41:11 By this I know that thou favourest me, because mine enemy [Judas] doth not triumph over me.
      The warrior Levites would sound with the zither to defeat Messiah

      http://www.piney.com/DSSPsa41.html

      The alarm or mocking outlawed for the Church in the wilderness is. H7321 Ruwah to mar (especially by breaking); figuratively to split the ears (with sound), shout (for alarm or joy):--blow an alarm for war or idolatry [Ex. 32:18], make a joyful noise, smart, triumph.

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      Mark to watch for: Large Staff selling the free water of the Word

      http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.55.Word.Spirit.html

      There is no law of laying by in store for musical performers, drums or non teaching staff.

      Isa 57:4 Against whom do ye SPORT yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood, [of the World or Ecumenical kingdom of the Devil]

      Mark: the Law of Silence:

      http://www.piney.com/The.Law.of.Silence.Isaiah.57.html

      Mocking or Sport in Latin is: lūdo Especially to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song: [Muses led by Apollon] caneret, eloquence, flute, harp, guitar, tibia. pretend work.

      Mark to watch for: seeking your own pleasure or speaking your own words

      http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.58.html

      In Romans 15 Paul outlawed self pleasure and commanded "speaking that which is written for our learning"

      -PROPHETIC TYPES FULFILLED to signal the end of the Law of bondage "added because of Instrumental Play" or Mocking at Mount Sinai. See

      http://www.piney.com/Exodus.32.html and Psalm 41

      Mark 10:33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chiefpriests, and unto the scribes [hypocrites: speakers, singers, instrument players Ezekiel 33] and they shall condemn him to death,
      and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:

      Mark 10:34a And they shall MOCK him, http://www.piney.com/Mark.10.And.they.shall.Mock.Him.html

      Mocking in Greek: They Rose up to Play: [1] Paizo, 4. play on a musical instrument, play amorously, To be deluded mock, jest [2] Prospaizō, theous p. sing to the gods, sing in their praise or honour, Erōta sang a hymn in praise of Eros,“rhētoras” Galli ton arkton humnon or effeminate a cappella hymn leader.

      1Cor. 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up [against God] to PLAY. [vocal or instrumental music and sexual play Romans 1]
      1Cor. 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: [Patterns] and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come

      SECULAR EXAMPLES which informed Paul: The Greek Psallo is derived from Apollon's bow and lyre Made by Hermes-Kairos [time to attack] and is similar to the story of Jubal who "handled" instruments Without Authority.

      Plato. Phaedrus 262d perhaps too, the prophets of the Muses, who are singing above our heads, Mousōn prophēta [The female Muses or LOCUSTS Led by Apollon]

      Vergil A. 9.634 Of such loud insolence and words of shame [Cano=sing and play] Ascanius brooked no more, but laid a shaft athwart his bowstring, while the deadly bow resounded and the arrow's fearful song hissed from the string; it struck unswervingly the head of Remulus and clove its way deep in the hollows of his brow. “Begone! Proud MOCKER at the brave! Then from heaven the flowing-haired Apollon bent his gaze [Apollon is "Musegetes" Leader of the Muses, locusts, singers, players, sorcerers]
      Babylonian Praise Singers were needed to keep the gods from failing.

      Mark 10:34b and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again
      Job 17:6 He hath made me also a byword of the people; and aforetime I was as a tabret. [from Topheth or Hell].

      This message has been added by Ken.Sublett from IP address 24.151.202.16 on Jan 19, 2017 10:49 PM
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