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  • Re: Katanysxis: the Music-Stupor connection. Ephesians 5
    • Dianna and Ken (Login Ken.Sublett)
      ConcernedMembersMadison
      Posted Nov 5, 2016 11:53 AM

      Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites: He quotes Isaiah 29 and Ezekiel 33 to MARK self-serving preachers, singers or instrument players. They were God's mark of those who WOULD NOT either prech or teach the Word.

      The Spirit OF Christ warns everyone to be amazed with SHOCK AND AWE by people who are DRUNKEN but not with wine or strong drink.

      While the theologians use Ephesians 5 to say that God commanded THEM to impose musical instruments and make "worship SHOCK AND AWE", Paul was speaking of those who "got drunk on wine in the Dionysia with singing and other WRATH or orgies.

      It was particularly Olympias, the mother of Alexander the Great, who spread the wild orgies [WRATH] of the women who worshiped Dionysus in Macedonia (see Plutarch Lives, Alexander 2. 5–6; and Wilamowitz-Moellendorf, Der Glaube, 2:61–62).

      The Dionysian Background of Ephesians 5:18 Cleon L. Rogers, Jr.

      The name "Dionysus" signifies "son of Zeus". The worship of Dionysus spread throughout Asia Minor, Macedonia, Greece, Italy, Egypt, Palestine, and even remote India (Cleon L. Rogers, Jr, "The Dionysian Background of Ephesians 5:18", Bibliotheca Sacra, July-September 1979, pp 250,251).

      The city of Ephesus itself was filled with the worship, not only of Diana (or Artemis), but also of Dionysus -- according to the ancient historian Plutarch.

      The cult of Dionysus was so widespread and common that anything having to do with grapes or wine was at once connected in the popular mind with the worship of the wine-god. To talk of wine and drinking immediately brought Dionysian expressions into the conversation, and to live a riotous, wanton, debauched life was characterized as being a "Dionysian" (Ibid, p 253). Witness also the English "bacchanalian", from Bacchus. JB Norris speaks of the social gatherings of the heathen, "where idolatrous rites were practised and the singing waxed merry and lewd" (FCE 123,124).

      As with the worship of Diana, that of Dionysus was heavily sexual. This worship, like. the nature religions of the Canaanites, with emphasis on pornographic images and vulgar songs, was supposed to please the god so that he would grant to his devotees the gifts of health and fertility (Jonathan Goldstein, I Maccabees, The Anchor Bible, p 133).


      Praise songs are usually erotic and Jeff Walling want to sit in the lap of God and dance with Him.. The ""androgynous worship leader" is an affront and causes masses to flee.

      “Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess, but be ye filled with the Spirit” (Eph 5:18, AV). The word translated “excess” basically means “without health,” or “incurable.” The word then refers to “one who by his manner of life, especially by dissipation destroys himself.”41 After discussing the various uses of the word, especially in the New Testament, Foerster concludes, “In all these passages the word signifies wild and disorderly rather than extravagant or voluptuous living.” Though not limited to Dionysian practices, this is certainly a fitting and descriptive term to describe the behavior of Dionysian worshipers. There was no salvation in being filled with the spirit of Dionysus; only wild behavior accompanied such filling. It seems significant that the things Paul wrote about in Ephesians 5:19–33 have to do with some matters which played a vital part in the Dionysian worship. First, there is the mention of singing (v. 19). This is the singing of spiritual songs to the Lord Himself, not the raving of drunken worshipers singing the praises of Dionysus. Second, there is the giving of thanks for all things (v. 20)


      Carol Wimber and the FULLER EFFECT as New Wineskins and performing women.

      http://www.piney.com/VineyardIntimacy.html

      He visits his people with manifestations of the Holy Spirit. "Thus worship has a two-fold aspect: communication with God through the basic means of singing and praying, and communication from God though teaching and preaching the word, prophecy, exhortation, etc. We lift him up and exalt him, and as a result are drawn into his presence where he speaks to us."

      The fourth phase is described as "God Visits His People when "Expression then moves to a zenith, a climactic point, not unlike physical lovemaking... We have expressed what is in our hearts and minds and bodies, and now it is time to wait for God to respond.
      Stop talking and wait for Him to speak, to move. I call this, the fourth phase, visitation:


      People boast about USING WOMEN in a visible-audible sense understanding that they will attract an audience. Paul in corrupting the Word and the Greeks called sophists (speakers for sale, singers or instrument players) prostitutes. The SHOCK AND AWE using music, instruments, clapping, shouting brings on wrath or an ORGY.

      Those who lie about the MUSIC sowing of discord and lie about Paul and the WORD as the Spirit OF Christ are OF the World and they have no choice but to let the Locusts (Muses) cull them out.
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