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  • Re: Is it ok to not support any local Church of Christ? (1 Corinthians 16:1-2 ; Hebrews 10:25)
    • Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      ConcernedMembersMadison
      Posted Nov 26, 2016 9:48 PM

      Rather than using US as the pattern it might be better to exclude LAWS beyond PREACHING the Word by READING the WORD (only) for doctrine and comfort.

      The only "worship" concept in the bible is to "give attendance to the public reading of the Word." The Greek ekklesia or synagogue was NOT a worship center and some higher authority supplied what was to be READ and DISCUSSED. Neither had a staff and neither did most churches of Christ during it's best days. Jesus EXAMPLED standing up to READ and then decently and in order SAT DOWN.

      Worship IN Spirit is a PLACE in contrast to Jerusalem. Worship in truth is defined as PREACHING the Word by READING the Word.

      1 Corinthians 16:1-2 is not a command to "lay by in store" as an act of worship. It is to plan for how their PROMISED gift to the STARVING could be collected BEFORE Paul came perhaps exercising an extorting influence: extoring or pleading is grouped with murder. I hope you are not going to lay claim to the WIDOW'S BOX in the back of synagogues.

      Lay by HIM should be obvious but tricky men do tricky teaching.
      Paul commanded that Jimmy lay by Jimmy something from his first work day (Sunday). He did not command "laying by in store" at the church. The money would be hand carried to the STARVING. It only happened once and history rejects weekly giving except to take care of any needy member or feed an evangelist with a GO button.

      2Cor. 8:8 I speak NOT by commandment , but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

      So, you see, Paul had not commanded but the Corinthians decided to send something to the starving. However, after a year they might not be ready. He might be in Corinth all winter and he said that theire should be no collections after he came.

      This happened only once in the New Testament and then only for the destitute. In church history giving was voluntary even for the starving: a small sum was kept by an elder and used only for traveling ministers or the destitute.

      The command is to SPEAK that which is written for our learning.
      ODE and PSALLO are IN THE HEART (spirit) where only God can hear it That is because psallo is never a musical melody word and carries nasty meanings such as SOP.

      Heb. 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.


      The people ASSEMBLED themselves but many were too isolated. Assembling is a SYNAGOGUE: the synagogue from the wilderness onward was:

      EXCLUSIVE of "vocal or instrumental rejoicing or rhetoric."
      INCLUSIVE of "Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word" only.

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      So, before you judge people for not following your commands, and letting YOU command me more than once a week I am quite certain that I reach lots more people and never PASS THE PLATE. After the all the command is NOT to assemble yourselves but DON'T give up the practice. The command is to GO into all the world and teach that which HAS been taught.

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