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  • Re: There is a "but" in that sentence!
    • Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
      Posted Nov 27, 2016 9:23 PM

      Stan, it is fin to contribute to the operation of a faithful church but it is not acceptable to lie about the small mentions of giving as a commanded act of worship. Most if not all apostates--especially in these last days (we hope)--get their POWER by lying about tithes and offerings. The first day of the week was the first day of work. Many people especially poor Christians lived day to day. He did not say "also take something out of all seven days of the week. Tithing was only about 1/10 of the prophet (increase) during 4 out of seven years as food only from free farms only to feed the priesthood on rare rotating duty and only a daily dole of food when on duty.

      Jesus said that the children of the King do not pay taxes but modern people want 10 percent of your gross income (not your profit) and even 10 percent of something auntie willed you. This was never PROPORTIONAL giving but history notes that only the prosperous were encouraged to give to the poor.

      NIV: On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 1 Corinthians 16:2NIV

      NAS: On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come. 1 Corinthians 16:2NAS

      NKJV: On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. 1 Corinthians16:2

      RSV: On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need not be made when I come. 1 Corinthians 16:2

      LIV: On every Lord's Day each of you should put aside something from what you have earned during the week, and use it for this offering. The amount depends on how much the Lord has helped you earn. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once. 1 Corinthians 16:2

      Modern Speech: On the first day of every week let each of you put on one side and store up at his home whatever gain has been granted him; so that whenever I come, there may be no collections going on. (The Modern Speech New Testament, Richard Francis Weymouth).

      Authentic Version: The day after the Sabbath let each of you put by savings as he has prospered, so that collections do not have to be made when I come. (The Authentic Version, Hugh J. Schonfield).

      NEV: Every Sunday each of you is to put aside and keep by him a sum in proportion to his gains, so that there may be no collecting when I come. (New English Bible New Testament).

      Plain English: On the first day of the week let each of you put aside and save something from his earnings; so that the money has not all to be collected when I come. (The New Testament in Plain English, Charles Kingsley Williams).

      Neander: But Paul, if we examine his language closely, says no more than this: that every one should lay by in his own house on the first day of the week, whatever he was able to save.

      This certainly might mean, that every one should bring with him the sum he had saved to the meeting of the church, that thus the individual contributions might be collected together, and be ready for Paul as soon as he came.

      But this would be making a gratuitous supposition, not at all required by the connexion of the passage.

      We may fairly understand the whole passage to mean, that every one on the first day of the week should lay aside what he could spare, so that when Paul came, every one might be prepared with the total of the sum laid by, and then by pulling the sums together, the collection of the whole church would be at once made." Dr. Augustus Neander, in his "History of the Training and Planting of the Christian Church,"
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